[#93964] perl6 grammar rules in ruby — Charles Comstock <cc1@...>

Has anyone taken a look at the idea of having embedded grammars in ruby

21 messages 2004/03/01

[#94023] Why's (Poignant) Guide to Ruby, Chapter Four: Little Leaves of Code — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

Just wanted everyone to know that Chapter Four of the (Poignant) Guide

15 messages 2004/03/01

[#94037] Rubyx OS (Ruby oriented linux distro) — Andrew Walrond <andrew@...>

I am pleased to announce the first public release of Rubyx, codename

39 messages 2004/03/02

[#94062] pickaxe with pics? — Dick Davies <rasputnik@...>

17 messages 2004/03/02

[#94068] dynamic assignment of instance variables — gv@... (Gerard A.W. Vreeswijk)

$ cat try.rb

19 messages 2004/03/02

[#94110] why are Hashes so unsorted? what's your solution? — Ruby Baby <ruby@...>

I try to avoid questions like "Why doesn't Ruby do what ___ does?"

14 messages 2004/03/03

[#94144] Mozilla gets support for other client-side languages in the future, how about Ruby? — Erik Terpstra <erik@...>

Interesting slides:

9 messages 2004/03/03

[#94190] rescue inside block -> syntax error — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

While reading this message:

15 messages 2004/03/04

[#94424] random range — Charles Comstock <cc1@...>

Why doesn't rand take an integer range and then generate a random number

23 messages 2004/03/06
[#94432] Re: random range — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2004/03/06

Charles Comstock wrote:

[#94434] Re: random range — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2004/03/06

Hal Fulton wrote:

[#94436] Re: random range — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/03/06

Hi --

[#94487] Looking for HTML templating system — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...>

I am looking for a templating system for my forum

19 messages 2004/03/07

[#94517] proposal: class<<obj to invoke extend_object — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

'obj.extend' and 'class<<obj' are close cousins..

22 messages 2004/03/07

[#94612] RedCloth 2.0.2 -- A Textile Humane Web Text Generator — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

For your immediate perusal and swift renouncement:

10 messages 2004/03/09

[#94672] saving array — mopthisandthat@... (Phidippus)

After I do bunch of computations and create a huge array with bunch of

18 messages 2004/03/10

[#94686] Possibility of 2nd edition of _The Ruby Way_ — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

Hello, all.

17 messages 2004/03/10

[#94760] convincing a webhost to support ruby — Mark Hubbart <discord@...>

Hi all,

15 messages 2004/03/11

[#94813] Jruby 0.7.0 — Thomas E Enebo <enebo@...>

20 messages 2004/03/12
[#94815] Re: [ANN] Jruby 0.7.0 — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com> 2004/03/12

il Sat, 13 Mar 2004 02:33:49 +0900, Thomas E Enebo <enebo@acm.org> ha

[#94817] Re: [ANN] Jruby 0.7.0 — Thomas E Enebo <enebo@...> 2004/03/12

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004, gabriele renzi defenestrated me:

[#94935] RubyGems 0.2.0 — Chad Fowler <chad@...>

The first public release of RubyGems (http://rubygems.rubyforge.org)

26 messages 2004/03/14

[#94985] GUI testing on unix — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

I am curious to if there exists any GUI testing packages for unix.

17 messages 2004/03/16

[#94998] RAA trouble and maintenance — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nahi@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2004/03/16

[#95014] RAA - So much is broken — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...>

Hello,

15 messages 2004/03/16

[#95060] YAML tutorial — Matt Lawrence <matt@...>

Ok, I am so not a Ruby wizard. In fact, I don't do much development at

15 messages 2004/03/17

[#95098] groovy — David Garamond <lists@...6.isreserved.com>

Groovy, a scripting language targeted for JVM, was mentioned in Slashdot

14 messages 2004/03/17

[#95155] Installer packages for MacOSX — Mark Hubbart <discord@...>

Hi, all

18 messages 2004/03/17

[#95190] Thinking about a date-matching algorithm... — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

I did a little swapping of ideas with dblack on this. Now I'm

22 messages 2004/03/18

[#95200] Log4r 1.0.5 now with RubyGems option — Leon Torres <leon@...>

Greetings, I'm pleased to announce the release of Log4r 1.0.5. The

11 messages 2004/03/18

[#95230] Ruby and Mozilla — paul vudmaska <paul@...>

--- Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@adslhome.dk <http://us.f104.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=neoneye@adslhome.dk&YY=90525&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b>> wrote:

12 messages 2004/03/18

[#95290] calling outer-scope method of same name — "Bill Kelly" <billk@...>

Hi all!

16 messages 2004/03/18
[#95292] Re: calling outer-scope method of same name — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/03/18

Hi --

[#95340] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Makoto Kuwata <kwa@...>

Hi folks,

31 messages 2004/03/19
[#95367] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/03/19

Hi,

[#95405] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/03/19

Makoto Kuwata wrote:

[#95412] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Makoto Kuwata <kwa@...> 2004/03/19

Andreas,

[#95453] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/03/20

Makoto Kuwata wrote:

[#95484] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Makoto Kuwata <kwa@...> 2004/03/21

[#95490] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Thomas Fini Hansen <beast@...> 2004/03/21

On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 11:39:26AM +0900, Makoto Kuwata wrote:

[#95518] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/03/21

Makoto Kuwata wrote:

[#95553] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/03/22

Makoto Kuwata wrote:

[#95386] Can $LOAD_PATH be relative? — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)

24 messages 2004/03/19
[#95389] Re: Can $LOAD_PATH be relative? — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson) 2004/03/19

In article <wsqk71gd188.fsf@io.com>, Jim Menard <jimm@io.com> wrote:

[#95398] Re: Can $LOAD_PATH be relative? — Patrick Bennett <patrick.bennett@...> 2004/03/19

Phil Tomson wrote:

[#95400] Re: Can $LOAD_PATH be relative? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/03/19

Hi --

[#95403] Re: Can $LOAD_PATH be relative? — Patrick Bennett <patrick.bennett@...> 2004/03/19

[#95434] converting javascript to ruby (nested methods) — yvon.thoravalNO-SPAM@... (Yvon Thoraval)

i have a script written in javascript and want to translate it into ruby

10 messages 2004/03/20

[#95517] What to gem? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2004/03/21

[#95560] Need some advice on PickAxe II — Dave Thomas <dave@...>

Folks:

74 messages 2004/03/22

[#95636] Tempfile consuming a lot of memory — thomass@... (Thomas)

I'm using a lot of Tempfile's and I have been made aware that they

17 messages 2004/03/23

[#95693] proposal - enforce lower_case for variables and methods — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

Ruby does already enforce CamelCase for class/modules.

29 messages 2004/03/24

[#95769] File.stat.size errors with file sizes over 2Gigs. — walter@...

File.stat('file_name').size returns erroneous file sizes when the

16 messages 2004/03/24

[#95782] Quick Introduction to RubyGems — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

Hi folks,

17 messages 2004/03/24

[#95875] Errors with "make" step, while compiling ruby under AIX 5.2 — Ruby Ruby <ruby4lover@...>

I am wanted to install ruby 1.8.1 under AIX 5.2. During the installation, while doing the "make" part of it, the process abruptily ended with the following errors:

15 messages 2004/03/25
[#95883] Re: Errors with "make" step, while compiling ruby under AIX 5.2 — nobu.nokada@... 2004/03/26

Hi,

[#95918] Re: Errors with "make" step, while compiling ruby under AIX 5.2 — Ruby Ruby <ruby4lover@...> 2004/03/26

I am sorry to insist but this is important to me.

[#95960] Status of AOP in Ruby — Markus Jais <markusjais@...>

Hello

22 messages 2004/03/27

[#95984] deciding between ruby and python — "Serve Lau" <ik@...>

I'm trying to decide to learn either python or ruby. Are there fundamental

119 messages 2004/03/28
[#96006] Re: deciding between ruby and python — klausm0762@... (Klaus Momberger) 2004/03/28

"Serve Lau" <ik@detongiser.com> wrote in message news:<106dlen5mr97q76@corp.supernews.com>...

[#96503] Re: deciding between ruby and python — Ville Vainio <ville@...> 2004/04/04

>>>>> "James" == James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@neurogami.com> writes:

[#96508] Re: deciding between ruby and python — Dan Doel <djd15@...> 2004/04/04

As you say, this whole thread has been done many times before.

[#96566] Re: deciding between ruby and python — Ville Vainio <ville@...> 2004/04/05

[#96691] Re: deciding between ruby and python — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com> 2004/04/07

il Wed, 07 Apr 2004 05:35:39 GMT, dagbrown@LART.ca (Dave Brown) ha

[#95992] Madeleine 0.6 — Anders Bengtsson <ndrsbngtssn@...>

23 messages 2004/03/28

Re: Need some advice on PickAxe II

From: Sam Roberts <sroberts@...>
Date: 2004-03-22 18:08:51 UTC
List: ruby-talk #95561
I think the original Pickaxe library section was so useful mostly
because the ruby docs were so absolutely lacking. Given good online docs
in html and ri, I don't think I'd want the pickaxe2 to redocument these.

Aside: a nitpick, the organization, alphabetical within 5 chapters, is
maddening. Its the only thing about the book I consistently find
irritating. I have to guess what kind of thing a class is (Date is one
section, Time in another...), then find that chapter, then I can use the
alphabet... I can see why you wanted to do this, but for me at least, it
didn't work.

What would make me happy, is if you removed the entire library section
(especially things like, in your example sl.pdf, you document base64.rb,
but thats a fairly useless set of two single line wrappers around
pack/unpack that should never have been in the global namespace, why
spend a whole page on it?).

In its place, if you put a chapter on racc, on rexml, on webrick, on
soap4r, etc., tutorial style stuff on how to do useful things, that's
the kind of thing that I don't know will get done in the std lib
documentation, and I would be happy to buy and be able to read on my
couch, whereas it looks like the doc team (yeah team!) are doing good
work in getting the per-API docs in better shape.


Things I would like to see better docs for, at higher than API level:

- c extensions
- swig
- the ruby OO model, especially with a little more reference to java and
	C++'s
- advice on usage, when to freeze things, how to build apis, whether to
	check your arguments types, or just use duck-typing and let things
	unfold as they will

I'm a huge fan of printed docs, generally, but at some point, the std
library API becomes so huge that you get injured lifting the book, and
ruby is getting that direction.

That my 2 bits.

Thanks for the great book, v1,
Sam


Wrote Dave Thomas <dave@pragprog.com>, on Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 02:46:42AM +0900:
> Folks:
> 
> It's looking as if we're moving towards agreement with Addison Wesley 
> on getting the rights to Programming Ruby back. This means that we'll 
> be able to produce an updated version, covering Ruby 1.8. No promises: 
> we still don't have all the signed agreements, but AW is certainly 
> being very helpful so far.
> 
> Now... I have a question. When it came to documenting the library that 
> comes with Ruby (the stuff in lib/ and ext/), the original PickAxe 
> trying to document every method in a subset of the 1.6 distribution: we 
> picked the library classes and modules that looked as if they were 
> being used.
> 
> In Ruby 1.8, the library has grown astonishingly: I count almost 100 
> library modules and classes in lib/ alone. If we were to document these 
> in any kind of detail, the book would grow to 2000 pages, and we 
> wouldn't be done until 2008 :)
> 
> At the same time, the ruby-doc folks are making significant inroads in 
> adding documentation the library itself: this is available both through 
> ri and as HTML (at ruby-doc.org, for example).
> 
> So, this is what I'm thinking. Rather than document all the methods in 
> all the lib/ and ext/ classes and modules, I'd like to have a one-page 
> summary for each. Each page would contain a synopsis of the function of 
> the library, along with a small number of samples of use. The idea is 
> that you can read through this to find libraries that would be useful, 
> and then consult the RDoc for details. Think of it as a kind of 
> exhaustive library cookbook. I've posted sample pages at
> 
>    http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/extracts/sl.pdf
> 
> (These are rough, and contain typesetting problems and other errors---I 
> just wanted to give folks a feel for what I was talking about).
> 
> So, here's the question: is this the way to go? Are folks happy seeing 
> this kind of synoptic information in the book, and then referring to 
> the online or local documentation for the details? (Don't worry about 
> the built-in stuff: I'm keeping the existing format for all of that, so 
> you'll still have the complete method listing for String, Array, and 
> friends).
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Dave
> 
> 

-- 
Sam Roberts <sroberts@certicom.com>

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