[#93964] perl6 grammar rules in ruby — Charles Comstock <cc1@...>

Has anyone taken a look at the idea of having embedded grammars in ruby

21 messages 2004/03/01

[#94023] Why's (Poignant) Guide to Ruby, Chapter Four: Little Leaves of Code — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

Just wanted everyone to know that Chapter Four of the (Poignant) Guide

15 messages 2004/03/01

[#94037] Rubyx OS (Ruby oriented linux distro) — Andrew Walrond <andrew@...>

I am pleased to announce the first public release of Rubyx, codename

39 messages 2004/03/02

[#94062] pickaxe with pics? — Dick Davies <rasputnik@...>

17 messages 2004/03/02

[#94068] dynamic assignment of instance variables — gv@... (Gerard A.W. Vreeswijk)

$ cat try.rb

19 messages 2004/03/02

[#94110] why are Hashes so unsorted? what's your solution? — Ruby Baby <ruby@...>

I try to avoid questions like "Why doesn't Ruby do what ___ does?"

14 messages 2004/03/03

[#94144] Mozilla gets support for other client-side languages in the future, how about Ruby? — Erik Terpstra <erik@...>

Interesting slides:

9 messages 2004/03/03

[#94190] rescue inside block -> syntax error — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

While reading this message:

15 messages 2004/03/04

[#94424] random range — Charles Comstock <cc1@...>

Why doesn't rand take an integer range and then generate a random number

23 messages 2004/03/06
[#94432] Re: random range — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2004/03/06

Charles Comstock wrote:

[#94434] Re: random range — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2004/03/06

Hal Fulton wrote:

[#94436] Re: random range — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/03/06

Hi --

[#94487] Looking for HTML templating system — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...>

I am looking for a templating system for my forum

19 messages 2004/03/07

[#94517] proposal: class<<obj to invoke extend_object — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

'obj.extend' and 'class<<obj' are close cousins..

22 messages 2004/03/07

[#94612] RedCloth 2.0.2 -- A Textile Humane Web Text Generator — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

For your immediate perusal and swift renouncement:

10 messages 2004/03/09

[#94672] saving array — mopthisandthat@... (Phidippus)

After I do bunch of computations and create a huge array with bunch of

18 messages 2004/03/10

[#94686] Possibility of 2nd edition of _The Ruby Way_ — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

Hello, all.

17 messages 2004/03/10

[#94760] convincing a webhost to support ruby — Mark Hubbart <discord@...>

Hi all,

15 messages 2004/03/11

[#94813] Jruby 0.7.0 — Thomas E Enebo <enebo@...>

20 messages 2004/03/12
[#94815] Re: [ANN] Jruby 0.7.0 — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com> 2004/03/12

il Sat, 13 Mar 2004 02:33:49 +0900, Thomas E Enebo <enebo@acm.org> ha

[#94817] Re: [ANN] Jruby 0.7.0 — Thomas E Enebo <enebo@...> 2004/03/12

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004, gabriele renzi defenestrated me:

[#94935] RubyGems 0.2.0 — Chad Fowler <chad@...>

The first public release of RubyGems (http://rubygems.rubyforge.org)

26 messages 2004/03/14

[#94985] GUI testing on unix — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

I am curious to if there exists any GUI testing packages for unix.

17 messages 2004/03/16

[#94998] RAA trouble and maintenance — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nahi@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2004/03/16

[#95014] RAA - So much is broken — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...>

Hello,

15 messages 2004/03/16

[#95060] YAML tutorial — Matt Lawrence <matt@...>

Ok, I am so not a Ruby wizard. In fact, I don't do much development at

15 messages 2004/03/17

[#95098] groovy — David Garamond <lists@...6.isreserved.com>

Groovy, a scripting language targeted for JVM, was mentioned in Slashdot

14 messages 2004/03/17

[#95155] Installer packages for MacOSX — Mark Hubbart <discord@...>

Hi, all

18 messages 2004/03/17

[#95190] Thinking about a date-matching algorithm... — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

I did a little swapping of ideas with dblack on this. Now I'm

22 messages 2004/03/18

[#95200] Log4r 1.0.5 now with RubyGems option — Leon Torres <leon@...>

Greetings, I'm pleased to announce the release of Log4r 1.0.5. The

11 messages 2004/03/18

[#95230] Ruby and Mozilla — paul vudmaska <paul@...>

--- Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@adslhome.dk <http://us.f104.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=neoneye@adslhome.dk&YY=90525&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b>> wrote:

12 messages 2004/03/18

[#95290] calling outer-scope method of same name — "Bill Kelly" <billk@...>

Hi all!

16 messages 2004/03/18
[#95292] Re: calling outer-scope method of same name — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/03/18

Hi --

[#95340] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Makoto Kuwata <kwa@...>

Hi folks,

31 messages 2004/03/19
[#95367] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/03/19

Hi,

[#95405] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/03/19

Makoto Kuwata wrote:

[#95412] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Makoto Kuwata <kwa@...> 2004/03/19

Andreas,

[#95453] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/03/20

Makoto Kuwata wrote:

[#95484] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Makoto Kuwata <kwa@...> 2004/03/21

[#95490] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Thomas Fini Hansen <beast@...> 2004/03/21

On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 11:39:26AM +0900, Makoto Kuwata wrote:

[#95518] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/03/21

Makoto Kuwata wrote:

[#95553] Re: [ANN] Kwartz (2004-03-19) released — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/03/22

Makoto Kuwata wrote:

[#95386] Can $LOAD_PATH be relative? — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)

24 messages 2004/03/19
[#95389] Re: Can $LOAD_PATH be relative? — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson) 2004/03/19

In article <wsqk71gd188.fsf@io.com>, Jim Menard <jimm@io.com> wrote:

[#95398] Re: Can $LOAD_PATH be relative? — Patrick Bennett <patrick.bennett@...> 2004/03/19

Phil Tomson wrote:

[#95400] Re: Can $LOAD_PATH be relative? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/03/19

Hi --

[#95403] Re: Can $LOAD_PATH be relative? — Patrick Bennett <patrick.bennett@...> 2004/03/19

[#95434] converting javascript to ruby (nested methods) — yvon.thoravalNO-SPAM@... (Yvon Thoraval)

i have a script written in javascript and want to translate it into ruby

10 messages 2004/03/20

[#95517] What to gem? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2004/03/21

[#95560] Need some advice on PickAxe II — Dave Thomas <dave@...>

Folks:

74 messages 2004/03/22

[#95636] Tempfile consuming a lot of memory — thomass@... (Thomas)

I'm using a lot of Tempfile's and I have been made aware that they

17 messages 2004/03/23

[#95693] proposal - enforce lower_case for variables and methods — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

Ruby does already enforce CamelCase for class/modules.

29 messages 2004/03/24

[#95769] File.stat.size errors with file sizes over 2Gigs. — walter@...

File.stat('file_name').size returns erroneous file sizes when the

16 messages 2004/03/24

[#95782] Quick Introduction to RubyGems — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

Hi folks,

17 messages 2004/03/24

[#95875] Errors with "make" step, while compiling ruby under AIX 5.2 — Ruby Ruby <ruby4lover@...>

I am wanted to install ruby 1.8.1 under AIX 5.2. During the installation, while doing the "make" part of it, the process abruptily ended with the following errors:

15 messages 2004/03/25
[#95883] Re: Errors with "make" step, while compiling ruby under AIX 5.2 — nobu.nokada@... 2004/03/26

Hi,

[#95918] Re: Errors with "make" step, while compiling ruby under AIX 5.2 — Ruby Ruby <ruby4lover@...> 2004/03/26

I am sorry to insist but this is important to me.

[#95960] Status of AOP in Ruby — Markus Jais <markusjais@...>

Hello

22 messages 2004/03/27

[#95984] deciding between ruby and python — "Serve Lau" <ik@...>

I'm trying to decide to learn either python or ruby. Are there fundamental

119 messages 2004/03/28
[#96006] Re: deciding between ruby and python — klausm0762@... (Klaus Momberger) 2004/03/28

"Serve Lau" <ik@detongiser.com> wrote in message news:<106dlen5mr97q76@corp.supernews.com>...

[#96503] Re: deciding between ruby and python — Ville Vainio <ville@...> 2004/04/04

>>>>> "James" == James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@neurogami.com> writes:

[#96508] Re: deciding between ruby and python — Dan Doel <djd15@...> 2004/04/04

As you say, this whole thread has been done many times before.

[#96566] Re: deciding between ruby and python — Ville Vainio <ville@...> 2004/04/05

[#96691] Re: deciding between ruby and python — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com> 2004/04/07

il Wed, 07 Apr 2004 05:35:39 GMT, dagbrown@LART.ca (Dave Brown) ha

[#95992] Madeleine 0.6 — Anders Bengtsson <ndrsbngtssn@...>

23 messages 2004/03/28

Re: Looking for HTML templating system

From: Ruby Baby <ruby@...>
Date: 2004-03-08 04:36:53 UTC
List: ruby-talk #94542
> >> Templates are templates, there should be no logic
> >> in them; they are only presentation.
> >
> >Presentation DEFINITELY needs logic, for anything beyond the 
> >stupidest "put a variable on a page" website.
> >
> >The differences is that a templating system should only have
> >PRESENTATION LOGIC, but no business-logic.
> >
> >The presentation having logic is a big part of making an 
> >easy-to-use responsive website!
> >
> >For example, my site is http://www.cdbaby.com
> >
> >The presentation/display is constantly changing based on the
> >contents.  It is deciding how it wants to present the business
> >information given to it.
> >
> >If an item is on sale, the designer has decided to put a big
> >yellow flag in the top-right corner.  If it is one hour until
> >we close, the designer has decided to change the color of the
> >page to let the customer know we're almost closing, and they
> >should hurry.  The designer has decided to capitalize the
> >artist names, and lowercase the album titles.
> >
> >All of this is presentation logic.
> 
> I'd take some issue with this. Sort of. The colour of the flag is (should
> be) in the realms of the designer, but the fact that it changes is in the
> realms of the business - "closing" is a concept rooted in your business, not
> in your web frontend. The "1 hour" rule is also a piece of business logic. 
> 
> The line is softly drawn in wet sand on a very wet beach in between waves -
> but I don't think there is a lot of "presentation logic" that is not
> governed by business rules. So very little logic should exist on the
> presentation side of templates.



I guess from my experience I feel that the business-logic is the code that
generates the attributes and such, ready to pass off to the template as
strings, hashes, and arrays.

But once you give that information to the template, it's up to the template
to decide what to do with it.

Here's a better example:

For any item you put in your shopping cart, my business-programming can
give you a list of 20 items for "If you like this you will like..."

But it's up to the visual design to decide how many of those 20 items
to show on the screen at once.   Maybe for beauty or usability, the designer
only wants 3.  So to do that, she would need "length" and "each" or "times"
methods.

Seems to me, template logic could do a lot with just:
- if / else 
- each / times
- length
- basic string formatting

But if you're going to write a whole new mini-language to reduce Ruby
(or any language) down to these few options, why bother?  Same amount of
time to teach your designers a mini-language as to just teach them the
same few methods in Ruby, but using real Ruby instead of some invented
subset.  But much less useful to have a subset instead of just Ruby. 


Sorry to be discussing this on the Ruby list, but I'm seriously considering
rewriting cdbaby.com in Ruby, and have been thinking about this template
issue a LOT lately.   So to me, it really is tied in with Ruby itself.



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