[#383997] CORE - Alternative Variable Substitution — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...>

ruby 1.9

21 messages 2011/06/01

[#384051] CORE - Replace "if __FILE__ == $0" with "executed?" — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...>

The construct to detect execution of the file (in order to launch main

12 messages 2011/06/02

[#384104] CORE - Altering Behaviour of "each do" (default param "item") — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...>

1.9

76 messages 2011/06/04
[#384111] Re: CORE - Altering Behaviour of "each do" (default param "item") — James Gray <james@...> 2011/06/04

On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote:

[#384154] Re: CORE - Altering Behaviour of "each do" (default param "item") — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2011/06/05

Hi,

[#384168] Re: CORE - Altering Behaviour of "each do" (default param "item") — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...> 2011/06/06

On 6 撫, 01:11, Yukihiro Matsumoto <m...@ruby-lang.org> wrote:

[#384228] a little challenge - reproduce this error — Intransition <transfire@...>

Want to see a really amazing error I got this week? Okay... but to

24 messages 2011/06/08
[#384230] Re: a little challenge - reproduce this error — Steve Klabnik <steve@...> 2011/06/08

throw NameError.new("uninitialized constant X::Foo::X")

[#384231] Re: a little challenge - reproduce this error — John Feminella <johnf@...> 2011/06/08

This is a pretty trivial error to generate. Just reference the

[#384232] Re: a little challenge - reproduce this error — Intransition <transfire@...> 2011/06/08

[#384235] Re: a little challenge - reproduce this error — Christopher Dicely <cmdicely@...> 2011/06/08

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Intransition <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

[#384279] CORE - Literal Instantiation breaks Object Model — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...>

class String

14 messages 2011/06/09

[#384280] BARRIER - require "rubygems" — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...>

ruby 1.9.2p180 Windows 7

30 messages 2011/06/09

[#384283] Classic Computer Science Books — Stu <stu@...>

I wanted to start a thread discussion on classic computer science

38 messages 2011/06/09
[#384288] Re: Classic Computer Science Books — Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@...> 2011/06/10

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Stu <stu@rubyprogrammer.net> wrote:

[#384289] Re: Classic Computer Science Books — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/06/10

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 09:22:58AM +0900, Josh Cheek wrote:

[#384291] Re: Classic Computer Science Books — Stu <stu@...> 2011/06/10

Thank you for the responses. I look forward to reading others.

[#384346] Re: Classic Computer Science Books — Anurag Priyam <anurag08priyam@...> 2011/06/11

> queue to read Meyers C++ books and Crockford's Javascript: The Good

[#384349] Re: Classic Computer Science Books — Stu <stu@...> 2011/06/11

Hello Anurag

[#384430] Re: Classic Computer Science Books — Anurag Priyam <anurag08priyam@...> 2011/06/13

Hey Stu,

[#384464] Re: Classic Computer Science Books — Vin兤ius <undvinicius@...> 2011/06/14

Wow, those are a lot of books, as a beginner programmer, I don't have

[#384322] PSA: Ilias is Crazy — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...>

I guess I have to post this periodically since our population is growing and changing so much.

18 messages 2011/06/10

[#384363] RFC - One word alias for require_relative — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...>

This is a simple Request for Comments.

161 messages 2011/06/11
[#384368] Re: RFC - One word alias for require_relative — Intransition <transfire@...> 2011/06/11

[#384654] Re: RFC - One word alias for require_relative — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...> 2011/06/17

On 11 撫, 20:35, Ilias Lazaridis <il...@lazaridis.com> wrote:

[#384676] Re: RFC - One word alias for require_relative — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2011/06/17

Hi,

[#384633] Re: RFC - One word alias for require_relative — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...> 2011/06/17

On 17 撫, 21:17, Gary Wright <gwtm...@mac.com> wrote:

[#384432] commit message conventions — Intransition <transfire@...>

When I write commit messages I add a "team" prefix to the message,

14 messages 2011/06/13
[#384433] Re: commit message conventions — John Feminella <johnf@...> 2011/06/13

I greatly dislike that style, to be frank. My commit messages usually

[#384467] A way to find out when a constant gets defined? — Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@...>

Hi, I'd like to be able to find out when a constant gets defined. I think I

14 messages 2011/06/14

[#384490] Messages to Ruby List/Forum/etc. not arriving equally? — Markus Fischer <markus@...>

Hi,

11 messages 2011/06/15

[#384500] CORE - Inconsistent Handling of Uninitialized Variables — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...>

puts "\n== Testin in MAIN Context =="

18 messages 2011/06/15

[#384617] get execution name of program — Chad Perrin <code@...>

Either $0 or __FILE__ will return a filename to give context for how a

13 messages 2011/06/17

[#384634] default config file location — Chad Perrin <code@...>

Is there a "better" way to specify a default config file location than

16 messages 2011/06/17
[#384637] Re: default config file location — "Matthew K. Williams" <matt@...> 2011/06/17

On Sat, 18 Jun 2011, Chad Perrin wrote:

[#384648] celluloid 0.0.3: a concurrent object framework for Ruby — Tony Arcieri <tony.arcieri@...>

Celluloid is a concurrent object framework for Ruby inspired by Erlang

12 messages 2011/06/17

[#384763] MIDASWAD - Matz is Dumb and so We are Dumb — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...>

(public draft)

46 messages 2011/06/20
[#384765] Re: MIDASWAD - Matz is Dumb and so We are Dumb — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/06/20

Before anyone engages this nonsense . . .

[#384772] Re: MIDASWAD - Matz is Dumb and so We are Dumb — Adam Prescott <adam@...> 2011/06/20

On 20 Jun 2011 20:32, "Chad Perrin" <code@apotheon.net> wrote:

[#384774] Re: MIDASWAD - Matz is Dumb and so We are Dumb — Sam Duncan <sduncan@...> 2011/06/20

Five posts in on this thread, and four of them are the self appointed

[#384779] Re: MIDASWAD - Matz is Dumb and so We are Dumb — David Masover <ninja@...> 2011/06/20

A quick, lazy response, because I shouldn't feed trolls anyway, and I simply

[#384788] Re: MIDASWAD - Matz is Dumb and so We are Dumb — Nikolai Weibull <now@...> 2011/06/21

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 23:52, David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com> wrote:

[#384790] Re: MIDASWAD - Matz is Dumb and so We are Dumb — Adam Prescott <adam@...> 2011/06/21

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Nikolai Weibull <now@bitwi.se> wrote:

[#384792] Re: MIDASWAD - Matz is Dumb and so We are Dumb — Nikolai Weibull <now@...> 2011/06/21

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 13:37, Adam Prescott <adam@aprescott.com> wrote:

[#384800] How to order a hash based on its keys? — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...>

Hi, I want to order a hash using itds keys:

35 messages 2011/06/21
[#384808] Re: How to order a hash based on its keys? — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2011/06/21

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Iki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> wrote:

[#384813] Re: How to order a hash based on its keys? — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...> 2011/06/21

2011/6/21 Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com>:

[#384814] Re: How to order a hash based on its keys? — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...> 2011/06/21

2011/6/21 Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net>:

[#384833] Re: How to order a hash based on its keys? — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2011/06/22

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Iki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> wrote:

[#384837] Re: How to order a hash based on its keys? — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...> 2011/06/22

2011/6/22 Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com>:

[#384843] Re: How to order a hash based on its keys? — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2011/06/22

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Iki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> wrote:

[#384846] Re: How to order a hash based on its keys? — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...> 2011/06/22

2011/6/22 Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com>:

[#384847] Re: How to order a hash based on its keys? — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2011/06/22

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Iki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> wrote:

[#384849] Re: How to order a hash based on its keys? — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...> 2011/06/22

2011/6/22 Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com>:

[#384855] Re: How to order a hash based on its keys? — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2011/06/22

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Iki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> wrote:

[#384819] Gateway Shutting Down — James Gray <james@...>

Rubyists:

12 messages 2011/06/21

[#384873] Explicitly setting compiler to C++ in extconf.rb... — "Darryl L. Pierce" <mcpierce@...>

I'm trying to setup a Ruby gem that bundles the Swig-generated bindings

10 messages 2011/06/23

[#384907] SPDX (and the glazing of ones eyes) — Intransition <transfire@...>

Never ceases to amaze me how complicated "enterprisey" peoples can

17 messages 2011/06/25
[#384909] Re: SPDX (and the glazing of ones eyes) — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2011/06/25

On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Intransition <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

[#384996] A movie Renamer — Mayank Kohaley <mayank.kohaley@...>

Hello Guys,

20 messages 2011/06/29
[#385007] Re: A movie Renamer — Sam Duncan <sduncan@...> 2011/06/29

Please don't steal movies.

[#385010] Re: A movie Renamer — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/06/29

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 06:17:55AM +0900, Sam Duncan wrote:

[#385011] Re: A movie Renamer — Sam Duncan <sduncan@...> 2011/06/29

*sigh*

[#385019] A File Renamer — Mayank Kohaley <mayank.kohaley@...>

I guess this thread has spawned another issue. Let me close this and say I

18 messages 2011/06/30
[#385021] Re: A File Renamer — Jeremy Heiler <jeremyheiler@...> 2011/06/30

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Mayank Kohaley

[#385027] Re: A File Renamer — Johnny Morrice <spoon@...> 2011/06/30

> Is there a pattern to the file names you are working with? The key is

Re: CORE - Altering Behaviour of "each do" (default param "item")

From: David Masover <ninja@...>
Date: 2011-06-06 14:57:09 UTC
List: ruby-talk #384183
On Monday, June 06, 2011 03:35:30 AM Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
> > That reminds me Groovy's it.  
> 
> I don't know "Groovy", but I dislike the "it", as it cannot be spoken
> like "each item" or "each value".
> 
> I've just noticed repetitions within code like that:
> 
> names.each { |name| puts name} # 3 times "name(s)"
> 
> names.each { puts item }
> 
> names.each { puts e) # e = entry
> 
> > Currently I have no plan to change the core like that.
> 
> So this would be a low-priority issue?
> 
> Would a thoroughly worked out patch be accepted?

I'm not sure that I have a vote, but I'd also vote against. I like the 
motivation, and that's why we have clever hacks like Symbol#to_proc:

names.map(&:to_s)

But adding a magic variable seems like it would be very surprising in a bad 
way. Suppose I left an empty argument list because I actually don't want any 
arguments? For example:

10.times { puts 'Hello, world!' }

It doesn't really help if it only applies to 'each', either. Then we have the 
very surprising situation where these two lines do different things:

item = 'world'
10.times { puts "Hello, #{item}!" }
10.times.each { puts "Hello, #{item}!" }

And 'item' is a common word. In fact, the suggestion for 'it' seems like it 
would be even worse in this respect. On the other hand, choosing anything 
that's deliberately uncommon, like, say, __item__, would defeat the purpose.

One approach might be to somehow let other variables take precedence, so, for 
example, if I'd defined 'item' elsewhere, it wouldn't be overridden by this. 
But that opens up its own can of worms. Do you consider only local variables? 
Then a local variable would be different than a method call on the current 
object, which is surprising. And if you do consider methods, how do you find 
out whether the current object responds to the method you want? If you only 
look at methods actually defined, you miss any method_missing hacks, which is 
surprising. If you call respond_to?, that's still not foolproof, and it's 
likely to have serious performance implications, unless you cache the result 
-- and if you do, then I can't define methods inside that loop and expect to 
use them immediately, which seems like a reasonable thing to do.

I don't really see a good way to make this work.



One of the more interesting features of Perl is the default variable, $_ -- 
most builtin functions will automatically default to this if you don't provide 
an explicit variable. It certainly prevents some repetitive code, makes some 
things seem shorter and cleaner, and it seems pretty cool. But then you end up 
with code like this:

while(<STDIN>) {
    chomp;
    print "$1\n" if /^Hello, (.*)/;
}

...and that's a short, mostly-readable example because I frankly don't 
remember enough about Perl to make it really dangerous. Even so, look at how 
twisted it is already. If you're not a Perlist already, it's not obvious that 
"while(<STDIN>)" actually loops over each line of standard input. Once you get 
that, you might figure out that chomp and the regex should apply to these 
lines, but it's much more common to find a somewhat larger loop body, with 
actual variables mixed and matched with automagic ones.

And that's only one kind of default variable, and there are all sorts of other 
variables Perl magically defines for you. Ruby's borrowed a few of them, but 
they're all well-defined by now, and generally obviously 'special' in some 
way, like __FILE__ and $1. Adding new ones at this point, especially in such a 
way that they could easily be confused with common variables, seems like a 
very bad idea.

Sometimes, verbosity is good. I'd much rather do a little extra typing from 
time to time than have Perl-like black magic going on behind the scenes.

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