[#72745] [Ruby trunk - Misc #11876] [Closed] Scheduled maintenance 2016/01/01 — shibata.hiroshi@...
Issue #11876 has been updated by Hiroshi SHIBATA.
4 messages
2016/01/07
[#72746] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #11876] [Closed] Scheduled maintenance 2016/01/01
— Eric Wong <normalperson@...>
2016/01/07
shibata.hiroshi@gmail.com wrote:
[#72824] [Ruby trunk - Bug #11973] IO#advise should raise NotImplementedError on platforms that do not support that call — git@...
Issue #11973 has been updated by Chuck Remes.
3 messages
2016/01/12
[#72954] [Ruby trunk - Feature #12010] [Assigned] Exclude dot and dotdot from Dir#each — naruse@...
Issue #12010 has been reported by Yui NARUSE.
4 messages
2016/01/20
[#72959] Re: [Ruby trunk - Feature #12010] [Assigned] Exclude dot and dotdot from Dir#each
— Eric Wong <normalperson@...>
2016/01/20
naruse@airemix.jp wrote:
[#73313] [Ruby trunk - Bug #12007] [Open] Newly added Unicode data file doesn't get downloaded — shugo@...
Issue #12007 has been updated by Shugo Maeda.
3 messages
2016/01/23
[#73372] [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct — benton@...
Issue #12004 has been updated by Benton Barnett.
4 messages
2016/01/24
[#73379] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct
— KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@...>
2016/01/24
On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 5:13 PM, <benton@bentonbarnett.com> wrote:
[#73421] [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct — nekocat432@...
Issue #12004 has been updated by Ruby Dino.
6 messages
2016/01/25
[#73425] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct
— Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...>
2016/01/25
I’m sorry, but this, like the code of merit, is merely a derailing tactic.
[#73469] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct
— Martin J. Dürst <duerst@...>
2016/01/26
On 2016/01/26 01:32, Austin Ziegler wrote:
[#73482] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct
— Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...>
2016/01/26
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:25 AM, Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
[#73491] [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct — git@...
Issue #12004 has been updated by Chuck Remes.
7 messages
2016/01/26
[#73492] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct
— Andrew Kirilenko <andrew.kirilenko@...>
2016/01/26
They will never provide any numbers because they are not engineers and they
[#73494] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct
— Brandon Weaver <keystonelemur@...>
2016/01/26
Coraline is a panelist on Ruby rogues and a very well respected member of
[#73498] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct
— Andrew Kirilenko <andrew.kirilenko@...>
2016/01/26
OK, sorry for previous comment. Let's try this way.
[#73500] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct
— Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...>
2016/01/26
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Andrew Kirilenko <
[#73558] [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct — andrew.kirilenko@...
Issue #12004 has been updated by Andrew Kirilenko.
5 messages
2016/01/28
[#73568] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct
— Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...>
2016/01/29
Andrew, please stop digging. Your hole is only getting deeper.
[#73573] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct
— Andrew Kirilenko <andrew.kirilenko@...>
2016/01/29
>Andrew, please stop digging. Your hole is only getting deeper.
[#73586] [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct — andrew@...
Issue #12004 has been updated by Andrew Vit.
4 messages
2016/01/29
[#73593] [Ruby trunk - Bug #12034] RegExp does not respect file encoding directive — nobu@...
Issue #12034 has been updated by Nobuyoshi Nakada.
3 messages
2016/01/30
[ruby-core:73540] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct
From:
Andrew Kirilenko <andrew.kirilenko@...>
Date:
2016-01-27 15:21:47 UTC
List:
ruby-core #73540
Just in case - Linus and co made right decision - http://jimlynch.com/linux-articles/did-linus-protect-the-linux-foundation-from-the-social-justice-warriors/ On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Andrew Kirilenko < andrew.kirilenko@gmail.com> wrote: > >This is a deflection. The problem that some of us are calling out is that > *you may not see the problems* because you are not attuned to them. I > rarely see the problems because I’m not attuned to them naturally (this is > something I have to work at because I reflect the majority in many > different ways). > > So go and show us examples of someone being treated differently due to > his/her/it sexual, religious or any other views/habits/believes by Ruby > community. While you are at it, I'd like to remind you about Elia still > being harassed by this fine group due to his believes. Problem with this > code of conduct is that it'll reduce freedoms and rights of people not > sharing your version of reality. > > >See, this is part of the problem. Yes, there are women who code. But > there are subtle disincentives to contribution for a lot of women, and > comparisons like this (“I haven’t seen anything useful, so nothing she’s > done must be useful”) are one such disincentive. > > And this is words juggling. Yes, there are women who code, no one is > arguing with this. Some of them are good at it, some of them are bad - just > like men. I was talking about particular case - Coraline - and I would have > asked same questions if she 'd be male or undecided or whatever. For what I > care you are all letters on my display and I treat you all equally. > > Next statements are just statistics derived from my 20 years of experience > as engineer (working with different teams in different counties) and some > publicly available data. In any team, I worked with, women/men are ~ > 1/10.If you'll look at github and look for accounts with photos on them - > like 90% of them will be of caucasian or asian male. I'm not trying to > imply anything from these facts (e.g. best engineer I worked with during my > career was actually black (and I don't care about USA PC - we call black > people "black" here and everybody, including black people, are OK with > that)), just something for you to think about. > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Austin Ziegler <halostatue@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Andrew Kirilenko < >> andrew.kirilenko@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> 1. While I am using Ruby for past 15 years literally on daily basis, I >>> am not affilated with the Ruby project in any way. What I will state below >>> should be interpreted as my personal opinion and should not be used against >>> Ruby project in any form. >>> 2. I have nothing against people with any sexual habbits. Personally, I >>> have FtM friend and quite few gay friends. I respect them for what they do >>> in their professional life and/or other areas we share. I can't care less >>> for what they do in their bedrooms. It's their life, they can do whatever >>> they want with it. >>> >> 3. I separate my professional activities from my other activities. I'd >>> work with trans, gay, child molester, serial killer, even Hitler himself if >>> they will add value to the project, I'm working on. >>> >> >> A couple of quick notes, starting here: your statement here is something >> that reflects a systematic cultural bias. In general, people of minority >> status cannot separate their minority status(es) from their professional >> work any more than people of majority status can separate their majority >> status(es) from their professional work. It may seem like someone who is in >> a majority position can do so, but that is only because their majority >> status *permeates the culture* within which they work. Understand, I am >> *not* passing judgement on this systematic cultural bias, merely calling it >> out as an explicit thing. People who are minorities are *consistently* >> reminded of that minority status on a regular basis without anyone even >> trying. >> >> >>> Does Ruby project need this code of conduct? Definitely no. I interacted >>> with community (mostly @ IRC channel) and it was ALWAYS nice, welcoming and >>> helpful. No exceptions. Even matz answered my (not always properly >>> formulated, I must admit) questions several times. No one asked anything >>> about my sex, age, skin color, nationality, religious believes or anything >>> else not related to the problem in question. I simply don't see problem >>> which should be solved with this code of conduct. >>> >> >> This is a deflection. The problem that some of us are calling out is that >> *you may not see the problems* because you are not attuned to them. I >> rarely see the problems because I’m not attuned to them naturally (this is >> something I have to work at because I reflect the majority in many >> different ways). >> >> >>> Now let's look at Coraline's github. What we see there? Right, code of >>> conduct itself and few forks and hello worlds. Did she added anything >>> useful to community? Maybe, but not for me. Rest of the guys and gils from >>> this fine group? I forced myself to check 5 more accounts (in order of >>> appearing in (in)famous opal #941) - all the same - endless hello worlds >>> and playgrounds. Nothing even remotely useful. Of course, my opinion is >>> biased by Coraline's personality here, so I might be totally wrong. So, >>> Coraline, show us your code and I'll appologize to you personally. And no, >>> statements of your friends "Coraline is one of the most seasoned developers >>> I seen" or "Coraline is panelist of ruby rogues" (I don't even understand >>> what does it mean) does not count. >>> >> >> See, this is part of the problem. Yes, there are women who code. But >> there are subtle disincentives to contribution for a lot of women, and >> comparisons like this (“I haven’t seen anything useful, so nothing she’s >> done must be useful”) are one such disincentive. >> >> If you want a few examples from the Ruby community, look at: >> >> * mperham/sidekiq >> * rails/rails (or rails/rails.github.com) >> * rspec/rspec >> >> I’ve only added it to mime-types/ruby-mime-types so far, but will be >> adding it to halostatue/diff-lcs, halostatue/minitar, and halostatue/color >> in the coming months (among others as I make modifications). >> >> I’m not looking to make anyone believe what I believe. What I’m telling >> people is that as long as I’m running those projects and maintaining those >> gems, I will be holding both myself and anyone who contributes to the >> projects to a high standard designed to combat harassment and create a more >> welcoming environment. >> >> -a >> -- >> Austin Ziegler • halostatue@gmail.com • austin@halostatue.ca >> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue >> >> >> Unsubscribe: <mailto:ruby-core-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> <http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-core> >> >> > Unsubscribe: <mailto:ruby-core-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe> <http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-core>