[#72745] [Ruby trunk - Misc #11876] [Closed] Scheduled maintenance 2016/01/01 — shibata.hiroshi@...
Issue #11876 has been updated by Hiroshi SHIBATA.
4 messages
2016/01/07
[#72746] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #11876] [Closed] Scheduled maintenance 2016/01/01
— Eric Wong <normalperson@...>
2016/01/07
shibata.hiroshi@gmail.com wrote:
[#72824] [Ruby trunk - Bug #11973] IO#advise should raise NotImplementedError on platforms that do not support that call — git@...
Issue #11973 has been updated by Chuck Remes.
3 messages
2016/01/12
[#72954] [Ruby trunk - Feature #12010] [Assigned] Exclude dot and dotdot from Dir#each — naruse@...
Issue #12010 has been reported by Yui NARUSE.
4 messages
2016/01/20
[#72959] Re: [Ruby trunk - Feature #12010] [Assigned] Exclude dot and dotdot from Dir#each
— Eric Wong <normalperson@...>
2016/01/20
naruse@airemix.jp wrote:
[#73313] [Ruby trunk - Bug #12007] [Open] Newly added Unicode data file doesn't get downloaded — shugo@...
Issue #12007 has been updated by Shugo Maeda.
3 messages
2016/01/23
[#73372] [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct — benton@...
Issue #12004 has been updated by Benton Barnett.
4 messages
2016/01/24
[#73379] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct
— KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@...>
2016/01/24
On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 5:13 PM, <benton@bentonbarnett.com> wrote:
[#73421] [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct — nekocat432@...
Issue #12004 has been updated by Ruby Dino.
6 messages
2016/01/25
[#73425] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct
— Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...>
2016/01/25
I’m sorry, but this, like the code of merit, is merely a derailing tactic.
[#73469] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct
— Martin J. Dürst <duerst@...>
2016/01/26
On 2016/01/26 01:32, Austin Ziegler wrote:
[#73482] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct
— Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...>
2016/01/26
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:25 AM, Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
[#73491] [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct — git@...
Issue #12004 has been updated by Chuck Remes.
7 messages
2016/01/26
[#73492] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct
— Andrew Kirilenko <andrew.kirilenko@...>
2016/01/26
They will never provide any numbers because they are not engineers and they
[#73494] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct
— Brandon Weaver <keystonelemur@...>
2016/01/26
Coraline is a panelist on Ruby rogues and a very well respected member of
[#73498] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct
— Andrew Kirilenko <andrew.kirilenko@...>
2016/01/26
OK, sorry for previous comment. Let's try this way.
[#73500] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct
— Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...>
2016/01/26
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Andrew Kirilenko <
[#73558] [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct — andrew.kirilenko@...
Issue #12004 has been updated by Andrew Kirilenko.
5 messages
2016/01/28
[#73568] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct
— Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...>
2016/01/29
Andrew, please stop digging. Your hole is only getting deeper.
[#73573] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct
— Andrew Kirilenko <andrew.kirilenko@...>
2016/01/29
>Andrew, please stop digging. Your hole is only getting deeper.
[#73586] [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct — andrew@...
Issue #12004 has been updated by Andrew Vit.
4 messages
2016/01/29
[#73593] [Ruby trunk - Bug #12034] RegExp does not respect file encoding directive — nobu@...
Issue #12034 has been updated by Nobuyoshi Nakada.
3 messages
2016/01/30
[ruby-core:73013] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct
From:
Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...>
Date:
2016-01-21 05:29:18 UTC
List:
ruby-core #73013
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 11:45 AM, <fred_h@bootstrap.me.uk> wrote: > Issue #12004 has been updated by Fred Heath. > > I sincerely hope the community consider the following before deciding: > > 1. Is there any evidence to suggest that we (or any other software > community) need a CoC ? > Yes. The very use of “SJWs” (as an insult) by some people on this thread makes it very clear that there are people in the Ruby community who Don’t Get It. (Others have asked for examples in the mailing lists that people aren’t participating in the community because we don’t have some sort of CoC. If people stay away because of bad examples by others…there is an absence of evidence of their absence, but they are absent nonetheless.) (To be very clear: the moment you use the term SJW as a negative term for people who are insisting on fair, civil, and equal treatment, you have aligned yourself with the worst harassers and doxxers of Gamer Gate and 4chan.) > 2. Do we need a CoC created by people who have a track record of harassing > and trying to exclude people who have different opinions? (examples at > http://paul-m-jones.com/archives/6214) > I would argue that this referenced blog post is the best example that the PHP community needs a CoC. No, Coraline’s approach was not the best approach (and is problematic for the same reasons I find morality clauses problematic in teacher contracts, for example), but the question raised *is* in fact a good one. (To pull the question to the side a bit, there are people who feel that Brendan Eich was treated unfairly as the CEO of Mozilla because of his views on marriage equality. He *was* supposedly representing a very diverse organization that already had positions in favour of marriage equality. Therefore, it was completely legitimate to ask whether he should be in charge of such an organization given that he had opposing views to the stated organization views.) > 3. In most projects where this CoC has been introduced, it has caused > division, hate, fear and exclusivity, PHP being the latest example. Far > from "a healthy debate". > Not to put too fine a point on it, but in general the people who are against CoCs are those who are assumed to be “in the club” by default and do not have to worry about being offended by sexist, racist, or other -ist jokes “made in fun”. This is certainly true of Mr Jones, and why his blog post about the PHP controversy is a good example for why PHP needs a proper CoC. (And folks, think twice before citing ESR. He’s the open source Donald Trump, the living Internet comments section.) 4. How many people will be marginalised and excluded by the introduction of > this CoC vs how many people are marginalised and excluded by it's > ommittance. In other words, has anyone ever said "I feel fearful / > uncomfortable contributing to Ruby because it doesn't have a CoC" ? > > I love Ruby and I find its community to be a very warm, safe and welcoming > one. Please help keep it that way by keeping authoritarian, self-promoting, > sinister social engineering out of it. Thank you. > With your last question, you are asking to prove something which is often more evident by its absence, but is not generally noticed by people who are not marginalized by the nature of their gender and/or skin colour. Someone who is marginalized won’t necessarily tell you that they won’t contribute, they will just simply *not contribute* and *move on*—and we are the poorer for their absence. With respect to your comment “…find its community to be a very warm, safe, and welcoming one.” This has not always been the case. For certain subsets of the Ruby community, it has only gotten better *because* of the adoption of CoCs by conferences and projects. The first RubyConf I went to in 2004 had no women in attendance. There were more in 2005 and more in 2006. The number of women attending Ruby Conferences rose, but in 2009 there were six women at a conference when a speaker chose to use inadvisable images and language in a talk. Only in the aftermath of that (which was, IMO, deeply embarrassing to the Ruby community inasmuch as there was a lot of defence of this speaker’s talk) did Ruby conferences get serious about adopting strong codes of conduct and enforcing them did the number of female attendees substantially increase at Ruby conferences. With respect to the Contributor Covenant suggested by Coraline, I do not think that this is the best choice for Ruby, but think that something like the TODO Open Code of Conduct (http://todogroup.org/opencodeofconduct/) would be better. There are organizations behind the development of Ruby, and a very clear *community*. I use the Contributor Covenant on the repos that I manage, but that is because *I* am managing them. Yes, Ruby needs some sort of Code of Conduct—not because we, the users and contributors of Ruby, are necessarily misbehaving. No, it needs it because we want to signal to people that have been traditionally marginalized that we, the users and contributors of Ruby, do not believe this to be a good thing and will work to prevent it. We will make errors. We will not always succeed. But we *should* make an effort to make Ruby *actively* welcoming to the people who have traditionally been marginalized. (And, because I know this will show up much later than Shyouhei Urabe’s comment: if Matz started acting Not Nice, would it not possibly be time to move Ruby beyond him? I know that none of us who have met him can really imagine this from Matz.) -a -- Austin Ziegler • halostatue@gmail.com • austin@halostatue.ca http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue Unsubscribe: <mailto:ruby-core-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe> <http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-core>