[#83328] tcltklib and not init'ing tk — aakhter@... (Aamer Akhter)

Hello,

13 messages 2003/10/01

[#83391] mixing in class methods — "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...>

Okay, probably a dumb question, but: is there any way to define

22 messages 2003/10/01
[#83392] Re: mixing in class methods — Ryan Pavlik <rpav@...> 2003/10/01

On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 06:02:32 +0900

[#83397] Re: mixing in class methods — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2003/10/01

On Thursday, October 2, 2003, 7:08:00 AM, Ryan wrote:

[#83399] Re: mixing in class methods — "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...> 2003/10/02

On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 07:37:25AM +0900, Gavin Sinclair wrote:

[#83404] Re: mixing in class methods — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2003/10/02

> On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 07:37:25AM +0900, Gavin Sinclair wrote:

[#83416] C or C++? — "Joe Cheng" <code@...>

I'd like to start writing Ruby extensions. Does it make a difference

32 messages 2003/10/02
[#83435] Re: C or C++? — "Aleksei Guzev" <aleksei.guzev@...> 2003/10/02

[#83448] xml in Ruby — paul vudmaska <paul_vudmaska@...> 2003/10/02

The biggest problem i have with Ruby is the sleepness

[#83455] Re: xml in Ruby — Chad Fowler <chad@...> 2003/10/02

On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, paul vudmaska wrote:

[#83464] Re: xml in Ruby or no xml it's just a question — paul vudmaska <paul_vudmaska@...> 2003/10/02

>>--------

[#83470] Re: xml in Ruby — paul vudmaska <paul_vudmaska@...>

>>>

15 messages 2003/10/02

[#83551] xml + ruby — paul vudmaska <paul_vudmaska@...>

>>---------

20 messages 2003/10/03
[#83562] Re: xml + ruby — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/10/03

On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:11:46 +0900, paul vudmaska wrote:

[#83554] hash of hashes — Paul Argentoff <argentoff@...>

Hi all.

18 messages 2003/10/03

[#83675] fox-tool - interactive gui builder for fxruby — henon <user@...>

hi fellows,

15 messages 2003/10/05

[#83730] Re: Enumerable#inject is surprising me... — "Weirich, James" <James.Weirich@...>

> Does it surprise you?

17 messages 2003/10/06
[#83732] Re: Enumerable#inject is surprising me... — nobu.nokada@... 2003/10/07

Hi,

[#83801] Extension Language for a Text Editor — Nikolai Weibull <ruby-talk@...>

OK. So I'm going to write a text editor for my masters' thesis. The

35 messages 2003/10/08
[#83803] Re: Extension Language for a Text Editor — Ryan Pavlik <rpav@...> 2003/10/08

On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 05:06:32 +0900

[#83806] Re: Extension Language for a Text Editor — Nikolai Weibull <ruby-talk@...> 2003/10/08

* Ryan Pavlik <rpav@mephle.com> [Oct, 08 2003 22:30]:

[#83812] Re: Extension Language for a Text Editor — Ryan Pavlik <rpav@...> 2003/10/08

On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 06:09:29 +0900

[#83955] Re: Extension Language for a Text Editor — Nikolai Weibull <ruby-talk@...> 2003/10/09

* Ryan Pavlik <rpav@mephle.com> [Oct, 09 2003 09:10]:

[#84169] General Ruby Programming questions — Simon Kitching <simon@...>

21 messages 2003/10/15
[#84170] Re: General Ruby Programming questions — Florian Gross <flgr@...> 2003/10/15

Simon Kitching wrote:

[#84172] Re: General Ruby Programming questions — Simon Kitching <simon@...> 2003/10/15

Hi Florian..

[#84331] Re: Email Harvesting — Greg Vaughn <gvaughn@...>

Ryan Dlugosz said:

17 messages 2003/10/21
[#84335] Re: Email Harvesting — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...> 2003/10/21

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Greg Vaughn wrote:

[#84343] Re: Email Harvesting — Ruben Vandeginste <Ruben.Vandeginste@...> 2003/10/22

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:35:32 +0900, Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng

[#84341] Ruby-oriented Linux distro? — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

There's been some talk of something like this in the past.

15 messages 2003/10/22
[#84348] Re: Ruby-oriented Linux distro? — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2003/10/22

On Wednesday, October 22, 2003, 6:01:16 PM, Hal wrote:

[#84351] Re: Ruby-oriented Linux distro? — Andrew Walrond <andrew@...> 2003/10/22

On Wednesday 22 Oct 2003 11:02 am, Gavin Sinclair wrote:

[#84420] Struggling with variable arguments to block — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...>

Hi -talk,

18 messages 2003/10/24
[#84428] Re: Struggling with variable arguments to block — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/10/24

Hi,

[#84604] ruby-dev summary 21637-21729 — Takaaki Tateishi <ttate@...>

Hello,

21 messages 2003/10/30
[#84787] Re: ruby-dev summary 21637-21729 — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2003/11/06

On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 07:01:28AM +0900, Takaaki Tateishi wrote:

[#84789] Re: ruby-dev summary 21637-21729 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/11/06

Hi,

[#84792] Re: ruby-dev summary 21637-21729 — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2003/11/06

On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 11:17:59PM +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#84794] Re: ruby-dev summary 21637-21729 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/11/06

Hi,

Re: tcltklib and not init'ing tk

From: Aamer Akhter <aakhter@...>
Date: 2003-10-01 20:02:23 UTC
List: ruby-talk #83385
Nice to see a fellow industry member dealing with the same problem ;-)

On 10/1/03 10:06 AM, in article
20031001140652.GA29212@vor-lord.ftc.agilent.com, "Brett H. Williams"
<brett_williams@agilent.com> wrote:

> On Oct  1, Aamer Akhter wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I'm using the tcltklib extension in ruby 1.8. It seems to be working
>> well for my transition from tcl. There are a couple of stumbling
>> blocks I'm running into:
>> 
>> 1) is there a way to _not_ start tk? When I create a new interpreter
>> (let's say from a non X-fwded ssh session) it may cause a failure. I'm
>> only interested in Tcl.
> 
> This is a big pain for me as well.  I would really like to have this fixed,
> as Ruby/Tcl interaction is important to me.  But it hasn't been a big
> enough pain to try and hack around in the C code :) (yet)

I'm more than willing to spend some time on this. But I'm new to ruby, and
to the tcl-C portions.

It seems like the thing to do is be able to pass the desire for no tk in via
the new call:

TclTkIp.new(notk => 1),

It looks like tcltklib.c:ip_init() gets called. The current parameters wind
up being plugged into Tcl's argv0 and args. So, in keeping with the current
implementation perhaps something like:

TclTkIp.new($argv0, $args, 1) would be "better"

Where 1 represents the non-desire to load Tk.

One would need to skip over when 1 is set.:

    /* from Tcl_AppInit() */
    DUMP1("Tk_Init");
    if (Tk_Init(ptr->ip) == TCL_ERROR) {
    rb_raise(rb_eRuntimeError, "%s", ptr->ip->result);
    }
    DUMP1("Tcl_StaticPackage(\"Tk\")");
#if TCL_MAJOR_VERSION >= 8
    Tcl_StaticPackage(ptr->ip, "Tk", Tk_Init, Tk_SafeInit);
#else
    Tcl_StaticPackage(ptr->ip, "Tk", Tk_Init,
              (Tcl_PackageInitProc *) NULL);
#endif


>> 2) Is there a japanese to english translation of
>> ext/tcltklib/MANUAL.euc? Or can somebody point to a tool that I may
>> use to do the translation? babelfish.altavista  does not appear to
>> work.
> 
> I've done all of my work without any kind of documentation in English.
> There just doesn't seem to be that strong an interest in mixing Ruby and
> Tcl (we are some of the exceptions).  The tcltklib extension was written
> for Ruby/Tk.  Access to the Tcl interpreter through it is a side effect--a
> highly useful side effect for me and you, but nevertheless not really
> what was intended by the developers.  So using the Tcl interpreter from
> Ruby, and vice versa, is probably not even well documented in Japanese
> (someone please correct me if I am wrong).
> 
>> 3). Are there any examples of ruby methods being called from the tcl
>> code running inside the interpreter?
> 
> This is how I do it:
> 
> set somevar [ruby "some_method()"]
> 
> You can put any ruby code as the argument to the 'ruby' proc.  You _must_,
> however, make sure that the return value of the ruby code is a string, or
> things will crash.

;-) yeah. I already ran into that. I've been using the ruby_fmt proc that
tcltk creates on init. That's just a wrapper for calling the ruby tcl
command.

> 
> You likely will have to do some creative things to get the scope that you
> want--Tcl can only communicate directly with class or global variables.
> This means if you call out to Tcl from Ruby, you will not have access to
> instance or local variables.  It makes perfect sense, but typically
> requires doing some non-rubyish things to get access to what you need in
> Tcl.

I don't think the importance of the above has sunk in yet. Do you mean to
say that in a class, I won't be able to do something like:

Ip._eval("puts #{var}")



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