[#48779] Ruby jobs — Phlip <phlip_cpp@...>

Rubies:

31 messages 2002/09/01

[#48886] cgi redirect — Tom Robinson <tom@...>

in perl, this is easy:

15 messages 2002/09/03

[#48917] New list: ruby-modules - for module developers... — Sean Chittenden <sean@...>

Howdy folks. I've put together a new list for ruby developers at

18 messages 2002/09/03

[#48978] option remember

Hi,

16 messages 2002/09/04

[#49042] Options for optimizing a large Ruby system — sera@... (Francis Hwang)

Hi everybody:

16 messages 2002/09/04

[#49107] RE: suggestions to the Ruby community — "Berger, Daniel" <djberge@...>

I've been following the documentation discussion with some interest. Some

35 messages 2002/09/05
[#49136] RE: suggestions to the Ruby community — " JamesBritt" <james@...> 2002/09/05

[#49294] OS-independent build of ruby — "reckless" <reckless2k@...>

Hi,

42 messages 2002/09/06
[#49318] Re: OS-independent build of ruby — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2002/09/06

In article <alali7$cth$01$1@news.t-online.com>,

[#49450] JRuby (was Re: OS-independent build of ruby) — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/09/08

JRuby exists ...

[#49297] Larry Wall's comments on Ruby — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/09/06/1343222&mode=thread&tid=145

29 messages 2002/09/06

[#49301] Re: Larry Wall's comments on Ruby — Andrew Hunt <andy@...>

61 messages 2002/09/06
[#49372] Re: Larry Wall's comments on Ruby — Reimer Behrends <behrends@...> 2002/09/07

Patrick May (patrick-may@monmouth.com) wrote:

[#49446] Re: Larry Wall's comments on Ruby — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/09/08

On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:21:22 +0900, Reimer Behrends wrote:

[#49333] Re: Larry Wall's comments on Ruby — Andrew Hunt <andy@...>

>yeah and as I said, depending on your background , Ruby is just as full

20 messages 2002/09/06

[#49627] Re: Larry Wall's comments on Ruby — "Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk" <qrczak@...>

Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:26:37 +0900, Wirianto Djunaidi <ryo_saeba_009@yahoo.com> pisze:

83 messages 2002/09/09
[#49658] Re: Larry Wall's comments on Ruby — "Christoph" <chr_news@...> 2002/09/10

"Yukihiro Matsumoto" wrote

[#49707] Re: Larry Wall's comments on Ruby — David.Stagner@...

I think Gavin is right... we don't "add" strings, we concatenate them.

16 messages 2002/09/10

[#49766] RubyInline 1.0.4 Released! (fwd) — Pat Eyler <pate@...>

Woohoo! another cool new toy to play with!

34 messages 2002/09/10
[#49965] Re: Windows XP : RubyInline 1.0.4 Released! (fwd) — "Park Heesob" <phasis@...> 2002/09/12

Hi,

[#49787] call for commentary: review of Ruby for a magazine (long, sorry!) — Rick Wayne <fewayne@...>

hello again folks,

30 messages 2002/09/10

[#49849] private variables — ts <decoux@...>

81 messages 2002/09/11
[#50348] Re: private variables — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/16

Well, will these localized/private variables make it into the next Ruby

[#49988] not grasping the method overloading/multi-dispatch thing — dblack@...

Hello --

58 messages 2002/09/12
[#49990] Re: not grasping the method overloading/multi-dispatch thing — Friedrich Dominicus <frido@...> 2002/09/12

dblack@candle.superlink.net writes:

[#50040] Re: not grasping the method overloading/multi-dispatch thing — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2002/09/12

In article <3D80AD8D.27388.FBF0F18@localhost>,

[#49992] Re: not grasping the method overloading/multi-dispatch thing — dblack@... 2002/09/12

Hi --

[#50027] interesting Perl Journal move — Pat Eyler <pate@...>

The Perl Journal is being reborn yet again. This time, it will be an

21 messages 2002/09/12
[#50041] Re: interesting Perl Journal move — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2002/09/12

On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 01:44:18AM +0900, Pat Eyler wrote:

[#50172] DbTalk 0.7 — Dalibor Sramek <dali@...>

I would like to announce a new release of my Ruby project DbTalk.

17 messages 2002/09/13

[#50224] MVC and OO Design? — jcb@... (MetalOne)

The Model View Controller Architecture has always had me a bit

18 messages 2002/09/14

[#50298] camelCaseTo_ruby_case.rb ?? — Thomas Sdergaard <tsondergaard@...>

Hi,

21 messages 2002/09/15
[#50304] Re: camelCaseTo_ruby_case.rb ?? — dblack@... 2002/09/16

Hello --

[#50312] Re: camelCaseTo_ruby_case.rb ?? — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2002/09/16

[#50369] Why are parser tools rarely used in ruby? — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelfj-anti-spam@...>

Why is it that all the ruby source I find in the Ruby (windows) distribution

25 messages 2002/09/16

[#50374] Dependency "trees" - suggestions? — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...>

I'm struggling with building dependency "trees" for rpkg. What

15 messages 2002/09/16

[#50403] comments and continuing strings on the next line — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...>

I have a tendency to write:

14 messages 2002/09/16

[#50466] Qt vs. FOX vs. ? (was Help on installing ruby-qt on windowsXP) — "Volkmann, Mark" <Mark.Volkmann@...>

> -----Original Message-----

16 messages 2002/09/17

[#50525] Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email — ser@... (Sean Russell)

I've found a problem with the Ruby interpreter, wherein the

23 messages 2002/09/18
[#51226] Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/09/24

> I've found a problem with the Ruby interpreter, wherein the

[#51281] Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email — ts <decoux@...> 2002/09/25

>>>>> "S" == Sean Chittenden <sean@chittenden.org> writes:

[#51454] Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/09/26

> S> In the unit tests for libxml, I think I've pushed things to SEGV land

[#51592] Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email — ts <decoux@...> 2002/09/27

>>>>> "S" == Sean Chittenden <sean@chittenden.org> writes:

[#51742] Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/09/28

> >>>>> "S" == Sean Chittenden <sean@chittenden.org> writes:

[#51748] Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email — ts <decoux@...> 2002/09/28

>>>>> "S" == Sean Chittenden <sean@chittenden.org> writes:

[#51796] ruby bug in tight loops? (was: Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email) — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/09/28

> S> :-/ You could be right, but, the IO context is created when reading

[#51825] Re: ruby bug in tight loops? (was: Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email) — ts <decoux@...> 2002/09/29

>>>>> "S" == Sean Chittenden <sean@chittenden.org> writes:

[#51826] Re: ruby bug in tight loops? (was: Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email) — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/09/29

> S> Good catch, I fixed this in the CVS version, however this is a

[#51831] Re: ruby bug in tight loops? (was: Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email) — ts <decoux@...> 2002/09/29

>>>>> "S" == Sean Chittenden <sean@chittenden.org> writes:

[#50579] How to Efficiently Calculate the Pattern of Zeros and Ones? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

11 messages 2002/09/18

[#50606] Python the new Lisp, what about Ruby then? — web2ed@... (Edward Wilson)

I've been reading that Python is the new lisp.

19 messages 2002/09/18
[#50614] Re: Python the new Lisp, what about Ruby then? — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/09/19

come on! python the new lisp? what's that suppose to mean? nothing

[#50629] RE: Python the new Lisp, what about Ruby then? — "Mike Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/09/19

> ruby though just may gain as great a heritage as lisp due to its highly

[#50652] Is better to subclass or to add methods to an existing class? — Vincent Foley <vinfoley@...>

I was discussing with a (Python) friend last night. I told him that one

31 messages 2002/09/19

[#50667] select and select — dblack@...

Hello --

99 messages 2002/09/19
[#50906] class documentation — "Mark Volkmann" <volkmann2@...> 2002/09/21

Is there a general concensus as to the best tool/format for documenting Ruby

[#50787] Re: select and select — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2002/09/20

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#50911] Re: select and select — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/09/21

Hi,

[#50912] Re: select and select — dblack@... 2002/09/21

Hi --

[#51168] Re: select and select — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/09/24

[#51184] Re: select and select — dblack@... 2002/09/24

Hi --

[#51196] Re: select and select — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/09/24

[#51199] Re: select and select — dblack@... 2002/09/24

Hi --

[#50732] don't understand cause of `sysread': Bad file descriptor (Errno::EBADF) — Robert McGovern <tarasis@...>

Was writting a script to poll an audiotron (www.audiotron.net) and

13 messages 2002/09/19

[#50762] Thoughts on improving usage of Regexp#match — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

Please feel free to point out obvious things

15 messages 2002/09/20

[#50850] Checking hash key's and values, with case insensitivity — khabibiuf@... (Khurram)

Hey all,

26 messages 2002/09/20

[#50867] Speed up suggestions — Tomas Brixi <tomas_brixi@...>

Hello,

18 messages 2002/09/20

[#50878] String interpolation at will? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

Maybe I'm overlooking something obvious,

14 messages 2002/09/20
[#50880] RE: String interpolation at will? — Steve Tuckner <STUCKNER@...> 2002/09/20

Maybe this is too dangerous but

[#50958] are functions/methods "first class objects"? — David Garamond <davegaramond@...>

sorry this is a bit philosophical, but i just wonder whether ruby can be

17 messages 2002/09/22

[#50972] Re: Speed up suggestions — Tomas Brixi <tomas_brixi@...>

Thanks all for speedup tips.

22 messages 2002/09/23
[#50975] Re: Speed up suggestions — Ryan Davis <ryand@...> 2002/09/23

[#50983] Re: Speed up suggestions — Tomas Brixi <tomas_brixi@...> 2002/09/23

[#51156] adding overload to ruby — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...>

Hello all and especially Matz,

285 messages 2002/09/24
[#51462] Re: adding overload to ruby — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/26

Why not designing a new language with a mix of typed variable and untyped

[#51371] Re: adding overload to ruby — "Justin Johnson" <justinj@...> 2002/09/26

[#51372] Re: adding overload to ruby — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/26

Hello Justin,

[#51375] Re: adding overload to ruby — ts <decoux@...> 2002/09/26

>>>>> "B" == Bulat Ziganshin <bulatz@integ.ru> writes:

[#51376] Re: adding overload to ruby — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/26

Hello ts,

[#51378] Re: adding overload to ruby — ts <decoux@...> 2002/09/26

>>>>> "B" == Bulat Ziganshin <bulatz@integ.ru> writes:

[#51382] Re: adding overload to ruby — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/26

Hello ts,

[#51384] Re: adding overload to ruby — dblack@... 2002/09/26

Hi --

[#51388] Re: adding overload to ruby — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/26

Hello dblack,

[#51391] Re: adding overload to ruby — dblack@... 2002/09/26

Hi --

[#51413] Re: adding overload to ruby — "Justin Johnson" <justinj@...> 2002/09/26

[#51542] Re: adding overload to ruby — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/27

Hello Justin,

[#51574] R (was: adding overload to ruby) — Nikodemus Siivola <tsiivola@...> 2002/09/27

[#51576] Re: R (was: adding overload to ruby) — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/27

Hello Nikodemus,

[#51591] Re: R (was: adding overload to ruby) — Nikodemus Siivola <tsiivola@...> 2002/09/27

[#51621] Re: R — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/27

Hi,

[#51741] Re: R — Nikodemus Siivola <tsiivola@...> 2002/09/28

[#51747] Re: R — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/28

Hi,

[#51918] Re: R — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/30

Hello William,

[#51923] Re: R — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/09/30

Hi,

[#51938] Re: R — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/30

Hello Yukihiro,

[#51949] Re: R — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/09/30

Hi,

[#51953] Re: R — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/30

Hello Yukihiro,

[#51752] Re: R — dblack@... 2002/09/28

Hi --

[#51755] Re: R — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/28

Oh yes, in fact, this is one of our selling points, right? We show the

[#51593] RE: R (was: adding overload to ruby) — "Christian Boos" <cboos@...> 2002/09/27

Did you have a look at http://merd.net :

[#51467] Re: adding overload to ruby — <bbense+comp.lang.ruby.Sep.26.02@...> 2002/09/26

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[#51185] Object-Oriented struct Model in C — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

20 messages 2002/09/24

[#51389] Is Ruby's grammar LL(k)? — Mauricio =?unknown-8bit?Q?Fern=E1ndez?= <batsman.geo@...>

16 messages 2002/09/26

[#51444] Ruby/Tk or mod_ruby or what ?? — GBanschbach@...

Dear All,

16 messages 2002/09/26

[#51486] Ruby - common pitfalls? — Rudolf Polzer <AntiATField_adsgohere@...>

Is there a list of common pitfalls beginners in this language should

32 messages 2002/09/26

[#51530] Where Is Method Call Precedence? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

40 messages 2002/09/27

[#51639] RE: REXML namespace support — "Volkmann, Mark" <Mark.Volkmann@...>

In my case I'm given a string which is a namespace prefix and I want to

14 messages 2002/09/27

[#51809] thoughts on typelessness — dblack@...

Hi --

136 messages 2002/09/29
[#52055] Re: thoughts on typelessness — Bryan Murphy <bryan@...> 2002/10/01

Gavin Sinclair wrote:

[#52059] Re: thoughts on typelessness — Chris Gehlker <canyonrat@...> 2002/10/01

[#52062] Re: thoughts on typelessness — Bryan Murphy <bryan@...> 2002/10/01

Chris Gehlker wrote:

[#52081] Re: thoughts on typelessness — Chris Gehlker <canyonrat@...> 2002/10/01

[#52147] Re: thoughts on typelessness — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/10/01

Hi Dave,

[#52150] Re: thoughts on typelessness — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/10/01

William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@y.glue.umd.edu> writes:

[#52151] Re: thoughts on typelessness — GOTO Kentaro <gotoken@...> 2002/10/01

At Wed, 2 Oct 2002 01:37:46 +0900,

[#52154] Re: thoughts on typelessness — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2002/10/01

On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 02:11:24AM +0900, GOTO Kentaro wrote:

[#51810] Re: thoughts on typelessness — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/29

Hi David,

[#51877] Re: thoughts on typelessness — Chris Gehlker <canyonrat@...> 2002/09/29

[#51818] announce@ == less email (FAQ item?) — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...>

ZenTest and ZenWeb were just released. I announced these to several

40 messages 2002/09/29

[#51974] Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know

37 messages 2002/09/30
[#52128] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/10/01

Thanks, Gabriele. I will try to incorporate your input. The "0 is

[#52965] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know — "Kontra, Gergely" <kgergely@...> 2002/10/11

>> - the ||= operator exists :-)

[#52970] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/10/11

Hi,

[#52971] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know — dblack@... 2002/10/11

Hi --

Re: Larry Wall's comments on Ruby

From: paul@... (Paul J. Sanchez)
Date: 2002-09-07 00:20:41 UTC
List: ruby-talk #49355
>>>>> "DM" == Drew Mills <tamills@ups.com> writes:

    >> -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hunt
    >> [mailto:andy@toolshed.com] Just learning a new concept doesn't
    >> count as surprising, but being led astray by inconsistent
    >> behavior does.
    >> 
    DM> Learning a new concept that does not fit with your worldview
    DM> does count as surprising.  And it will continue to be
    DM> surprising until you change your worldview.  And beginner's
    DM> are still taught a procedural worldview.

    DM> You just can't say that Ruby isn't surprising.  If someone
    DM> come's to Ruby, really likes the OO-everwhere aspect, they
    DM> will often say, "Wow".  And guess what, they were just
    DM> surprised.  Otherwise, they would say, "Big Deal, I've been
    DM> doing that in language X for the last 4 years at school.  Of
    DM> course everthing's an object."  But they don't.  Because
    DM> that's not what they're taught.

    DM> And if that same procedural person has to re-organize his
    DM> worldview to do everything in an OO-everwhere fashion, that
    DM> person will be surprised over and over until he successfully
    DM> changes his worldview.

    DM> Let's be clear: I'm not looking for procedural everywhere, I'm
    DM> OO all the way.  But Larry hit the nail on the head that
    DM> beginners will be surprised.  It might be a nice surprise!
    DM> But it will be a surprise.  His choice to not surprise them
    DM> with OO can arguably be judged short-sighted.  But his
    DM> statement about their surprise is spot-on.

    DM> Another way of saying it, "Since our beginners are taught
    DM> inconsistencies, they may well be suprised by consistency."

Depends on who "our" beginners are.  If they're beginners to Ruby, but
old hands at programming, you're probably correct.  If they're
complete newbies, it's not at all clear.  I've heard (anecdotally)
that programming neophytes find OO much more natural and intuitive
than procedural programming - it agrees with their world view.  Once
we've put all of the effort of bending our brains to think
procedurally, it seems natural to us - we forget the pain and angst of
our early days, and wonder why it's so hard for newbies to see the
"obvious" solutions we've trained ourselves to recognize.  But if all
the patterns were so obvious, we wouldn't need all of the pattern
books that are so popular these days.

I remember glancing through a C++ patterns book after being an
Objective-C programmer for a while, and snickering.  Perhaps one
metric of a good language is how few patterns are needed to use it
productively.

--paul

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