[#52047] ruby-talk separation, part II — " JamesBritt" <james@...>

32 messages 2002/10/01
[#52099] Re: ruby-talk separation, part II — Holden Glova <dsafari@...> 2002/10/01

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[#52111] Re: ruby-talk separation, part II — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/10/01

[#52118] Re: ruby-talk separation, part II — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2002/10/01

On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 09:03:44PM +0900, Bulat Ziganshin wrote:

[#52167] Re: ruby-talk separation, part II — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/10/01

FreeBSD's got a decent setup. Few additions to the list here:

[#52245] Compiling stuff under Windows: list of problems — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...>

I don't want my tortuous experience of trying to get things working under this

13 messages 2002/10/02

[#52259] bugs — "Kontra, Gergely" <kgergely@...>

Hi!

26 messages 2002/10/02
[#52261] Re: bugs — nobu.nokada@... 2002/10/02

Hi,

[#52269] Re: bugs — "Stathy G. Touloumis" <stathy.touloumis@...> 2002/10/02

[#52300] Can soneone tell me what I'm doing wrong... — Jeremy Gregorio <gunvalk@...>

I'm trying to write a little script to rename my mp3s I started with this:

15 messages 2002/10/02

[#52391] CRuby (Was: R) — Nikodemus Siivola <tsiivola@...>

CRuby = subset of Ruby + typed methods + compiler to C

28 messages 2002/10/03
[#52395] Re: CRuby (Was: R) — Anders Bengtsson <ndrsbngtssn@...> 2002/10/03

Nikodemus Siivola wrote:

[#52400] Re: CRuby (Was: R) — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/10/03

[#52402] Re: CRuby (Was: R) — Anders Bengtsson <ndrsbngtssn@...> 2002/10/03

Michael Campbell wrote:

[#52436] Specifying local and external block parameters (that old chestnut) — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...>

I've cannibalised discussion from the "Bugs" thread. I hope it is a service to

49 messages 2002/10/04
[#52440] Re: Specifying local and external block parameters (that old chestnut) — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/10/04

Hi,

[#52610] Re: Specifying local and external block parameters (that old chestnut) — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelfj-anti-spam@...> 2002/10/06

[#52612] Re: Specifying local and external block parameters (that old chestnut) — ts <decoux@...> 2002/10/06

>>>>> "M" == MikkelFJ <mikkelfj-anti-spam@bigfoot.com> writes:

[#52557] Speed of Ruby/modruby vs PHP — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi:

27 messages 2002/10/05
[#52598] Re: Speed of Ruby/modruby vs PHP — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelfj-anti-spam@...> 2002/10/06

[#52600] Re: Speed of Ruby/modruby vs PHP — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2002/10/06

On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 08:50:48PM +0900, MikkelFJ wrote:

[#52601] Re: Speed of Ruby/modruby vs PHP — MoonWolf <moonwolf@...> 2002/10/06

> How do I configure mod_ruby to run with a cached script?

[#52628] Re: Speed of Ruby/modruby vs PHP — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2002/10/06

Ok, here is how I understand this.

[#52636] Re: Speed of Ruby/modruby vs PHP — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2002/10/06

On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 05:07:25PM -0400, Jim Freeze wrote:

[#52581] Platform again — Friedrich Dominicus <frido@...>

Well I ask again. On what platforms are you using ruby most of the

36 messages 2002/10/06

[#52602] Another take on ensuring right args to methods — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...>

11 messages 2002/10/06

[#52653] webforms — "Kontra, Gergely" <kgergely@...>

Hi!

19 messages 2002/10/07

[#52669] Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know — billtj@... (Bill Tj)

Hi,

59 messages 2002/10/07
[#52805] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/10/09

Hello Bill,

[#52982] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know — "Kontra, Gergely" <kgergely@...> 2002/10/11

>3) 'x+=b', 'x*=b' and other assignment operators is internally translated

[#52727] block vars (some theory) — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...>

Hello all,

37 messages 2002/10/08
[#52728] Re: block vars (some theory) — ts <decoux@...> 2002/10/08

>>>>> "B" == Bulat Ziganshin <bulatz@integ.ru> writes:

[#52806] strange Hash default behaviour — John Tromp <tromp@...>

I wrote a ruby program to read a list of graph edges and produce

16 messages 2002/10/09

[#52823] CGI sessions without cookies? — Stefan Scholl <stefan.scholl@...>

I haven't tried sessions, yet. But I'm curious if you can work

17 messages 2002/10/09

[#52848] Polymorphism, Isomorphism — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

Consider this a bit of public pondering...

21 messages 2002/10/09

[#53045] Sorting — warren@... (Warren Brian Noronha)

dear developer,

31 messages 2002/10/12
[#53048] Re: Sorting — dblack@... 2002/10/12

Hello --

[#53082] Re: Sorting — "Mike Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/10/13

> I think almost anything is a better name than CRAN, as that (to me)

[#53083] Re: Sorting — dblack@... 2002/10/13

Hello --

[#53093] Re: Sorting — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/10/13

[#53109] Re: Sorting — "Mike Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/10/13

> Just a thought: why *not* copy CPAN? It's pretty good, isn't it?

[#53183] final in ruby — "Kontra, Gergely" <kgergely@...>

Hi!

21 messages 2002/10/14

[#53230] Please check my algorithm — Vincent Foley <vinfoley@...>

Hi, I found a nice programming challenge:

12 messages 2002/10/14

[#53278] ruby-dev summary 18458-18504 — TAKAHASHI Masayoshi <maki@...>

Hi all,

16 messages 2002/10/15

[#53285] Psyco — Travis Whitton <whitton@...>

There's an interesting article on IBM developerWorks about a new program

18 messages 2002/10/16

[#53297] Interfaces in Ruby — web2ed@... (Edward Wilson)

Is there a way to write/inforce interfaces in Ruby like one can using

44 messages 2002/10/16
[#53409] Re: Interfaces in Ruby — web2ed@... (Edward Wilson) 2002/10/17

>http://rm-f.net/~cout/code/ruby/treasures/RubyTreasures-0.3/lib/hacks/interface.rb.html

[#53470] Re: Interfaces in Ruby — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2002/10/17

On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 01:25:57PM +0900, Edward Wilson wrote:

[#53514] Re: Interfaces in Ruby — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...> 2002/10/18

On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 12:16:30AM +0900, Paul Brannan wrote:

[#53300] Re: Interfaces in Ruby — Chris Gehlker <canyonrat@...> 2002/10/16

[#53334] Re: Interfaces in Ruby — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2002/10/16

On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 01:30:04PM +0900, Chris Gehlker wrote:

[#53359] Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (10/16/02) — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

29 messages 2002/10/16
[#53774] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (10/16/02) — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2002/10/22

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[#53556] Help wanted with an experimental FAQ facility — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

24 messages 2002/10/18

[#53626] XMLParser, NQXML, REXML, ... — Armin Roehrl <armin@...>

Hi XML-freaks,

23 messages 2002/10/20
[#53897] Re: XMLParser, NQXML, REXML, ... — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/10/23

> Hi XML-freaks,

[#53902] Ruby.bah! (was Re: XMLParser, NQXML... and also RAA.succ) — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/10/23

On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:01:59 +0900, Sean Chittenden wrote:

[#53904] Re: Ruby.bah! (was Re: XMLParser, NQXML... and also RAA.succ) — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/10/23

> > Markus and I are working on rubydoc which is now able to

[#53911] Re: Ruby.bah! (was Re: XMLParser, NQXML... and also RAA.succ) — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/10/23

On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:07:46 +0900, Sean Chittenden wrote:

[#53652] RAA.succ? — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

I hope there will be some discussion of RAA.succ (or is it RAA.next) at

78 messages 2002/10/21
[#53654] Re: RAA.succ? — nobu.nokada@... 2002/10/21

Hi,

[#53669] Re: RAA.succ? — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nahi@...> 2002/10/21

Hi,

[#54022] RAA replaced — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nahi@...> 2002/10/24

Hi,

[#53914] Re: RAA.succ? (rpkg vs rubynet) — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2002/10/23

In article <20021023041621.GC48080@perrin.int.nxad.com>,

[#53688] functional Ruby equiv to this perl snippet — bobx@... (Bob)

# parses a text file looking for server names and ignoring lines

29 messages 2002/10/21
[#53694] Re: functional Ruby equiv to this perl snippet — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/10/21

def load_server_list

[#53696] Re: functional Ruby equiv to this perl snippet — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/10/21

I realised that my first test wasn't good for non-empty but blank

[#53718] Re: functional Ruby equiv to this perl snippet — "Bob X" <bobx@...> 2002/10/21

"Austin Ziegler" <austin@halostatue.ca> wrote in message

[#53703] rb_gc_register_address problem — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...>

We ran into a problem today with the garbage collector (caused by our

28 messages 2002/10/21

[#53771] Perl multiple match RE in Ruby? — michael libby <x@...>

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14 messages 2002/10/22

[#53865] XMLRPC and IP authentication — Daniel Berger <djberge@...>

Hi all,

13 messages 2002/10/22

[#53884] SQLite — "Bob X" <bobx@...>

Anyone working on a Ruby interface for SQLite?

109 messages 2002/10/23
[#53894] Re: SQLite — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/10/23

On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:38:31 +0900, Bob X wrote:

[#54714] Thoughts on Ruby — Enric Lafont <enric@1smart.com> 2002/11/03

Hi all,

[#54724] Re: Thoughts on Ruby — Albert Wagner <alwagner@...> 2002/11/03

On Saturday 02 November 2002 7:57 pm, Enric Lafont wrote:

[#54725] Re: Thoughts on Ruby — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/11/03

On Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:57:29 +0900, Enric Lafont wrote:

[#54784] Re: Thoughts on Ruby — Enric Lafont <enric@1smart.com> 2002/11/03

Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#54802] Re: Thoughts on Ruby — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/11/03

On Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:44:46 +0900, Enric Lafont wrote:

[#54826] Re: Thoughts on Ruby — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/11/04

From: "Enric Lafont" <enric@1smart.com>

[#54903] Re: Thoughts on Ruby — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...> 2002/11/05

On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 10:02:12PM +0900, Gavin Sinclair wrote:

[#54920] Re: Thoughts on Ruby — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/11/05

On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:18:47 +0900, Brian Candler wrote:

[#54927] Re: Thoughts on Ruby lack of IDE — Brad Cox <bcox@...> 2002/11/05

It is a sign of my hybrid Objective-C background, no doubt, but I

[#54929] Re: Thoughts on Ruby lack of IDE — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2002/11/05

Brad Cox wrote:

[#55322] FreeRIDE and FUI ?? (was: Re: Thoughts on Ruby lack of IDE) — "Rich" <rich@...> 2002/11/08

> > >

[#55346] Re: FreeRIDE and FUI ?? (was: Re: Thoughts on Ruby lack of IDE) — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2002/11/09

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[#53953] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (10/16/02) — "Mills Thomas (app1tam)" <app1tam@...>

But why does it really, REALLY mean that? Was there a reason for doing

13 messages 2002/10/23

[#53957] NODE tree introspection — Simon Cozens <simon@...>

13 messages 2002/10/23

[#53983] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (10/16/02) — "Mills Thomas (app1tam)" <app1tam@...>

Actually, the way you describe '+=' makes sense to me. It is what I would

17 messages 2002/10/23
[#54001] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (10/16/02) — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/10/23

Hi,

[#54012] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (10/16/02) — dblack@... 2002/10/24

Hi --

[#54111] How come true, false don't support <=> (comparison) operator? — cilibrar@... (Rudi Cilibrasi)

I am wondering if there is a good reason why Ruby does not by default

24 messages 2002/10/25
[#54112] Re: How come true, false don't support <=> (comparison) operator? — dblack@... 2002/10/25

Hello --

[#54139] Re: How come true, false don't support <=> (comparison) operator? — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2002/10/25

In article <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210250754010.2650-100000@candle.superlink.net>,

[#54156] Re: How come true, false don't support <=> (comparison) operator? — dblack@... 2002/10/25

Hi --

[#54239] Snippet request: Ruby Web Server written in under an hour — Phlip <phlipcpp@...>

Rubies:

37 messages 2002/10/28
[#54328] Snippet: Tiny Featureless Ruby Web Server — Phlip <phlipcpp@...> 2002/10/29

Rubies:

[#54339] method-call style (was Re: Snippet: Tiny Featureless Ruby Web Server) — dblack@... 2002/10/29

Hi --

[#54517] Re: method-call style (was Re: Snippet: Tiny Featureless Ruby Web Server) — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/10/30

Bulat Ziganshin <bulatz@integ.ru> wrote:

[#54519] Re: method-call style (was Re: Snippet: Tiny Featureless Ruby Web Server) — dblack@... 2002/10/30

Hi --

[#54525] Re: method-call style (was Re: Snippet: Tiny Featureless Ruby Web Server) — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/10/30

dblack@candle.superlink.net wrote:

[#54527] Re: method-call style (was Re: Snippet: Tiny Featureless Ruby Web Server) — dblack@... 2002/10/30

Hi --

[#54280] exerb & fox-problem; converting gui-script to .exe on windows — Armin Roehrl <armin@...>

Hi,

12 messages 2002/10/28

[#54354] good link to read as we contemplate RAA, RAA.succ, et al — Pat Eyler <pate@...>

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/wlg/2225

28 messages 2002/10/29
[#54356] Re: good link to read as we contemplate RAA, RAA.succ, et al — dblack@... 2002/10/29

Hi --

[#54385] Re: good link to read as we contemplate RAA, RAA.succ, et al — " JamesBritt" <james@...> 2002/10/29

> Interesting. Simon (hi Simon!) is probably right that "Definitive

[#54421] want to meet Microsoft .NET guy? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

Hi,

17 messages 2002/10/30

[#54449] feature idea: custom literals — loats205@... (loats205)

wouldn't it be cool if you could define custom literal representations for your

30 messages 2002/10/30
[#54459] Re: feature idea: custom literals — Peter Hickman <peter@...> 2002/10/30

loats205 wrote:

[#54476] Re: feature idea: custom literals — Nikodemus Siivola <tsiivola@...> 2002/10/30

Re: thoughts on typelessness

From: William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>
Date: 2002-10-01 13:19:47 UTC
List: ruby-talk #52123
Hi Gavin,

But how about making declaring type *optional*?  Even the referenced web
page states that "A hybrid solution where you can adapt to the problem at
hand will have the highest probability of success."

Therefore, people who want to code in the current Ruby style and syntax
can do it that way (no change to Ruby at all), while people who want to
try to make the code "run faster" (and probably need some weak type
checking) can use the optional typing.

If the concern is that optional typing will make overall Ruby slower, we
can just use a switch when running Ruby interpreter, where "ruby
-no_type_check" will run the current, established, interpreter, and other
switches will invoke a new interpreter which will have optional typing.

Finally, the "Efficient-dynlang-implementer view" in the referenced web
page states it precisely:

"DynTypes are great but cost a lot since we cannot optimize for a
certain type.  To make the task of the compiler/optimizer simpler we need
hints of the actual types.  Lets give the user a way to specify/hint on
the actual types."

Ruby already takes the good things from Perl, SmallTalk, Lisp, etc.  An
experimentation with the good things from Dylan probably will not hurt, I
guess.  Only later when the experiment is deemed successful, we can
incorporate it in the mainstream Ruby, if we (or Matz to be more
precise) choose to do so.

Regards,

Bill
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Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@soyabean.com.au> wrote:
> It's not a Ruby thing.  Amongst experienced Rubyists (not including myself
> here) there's a belief that static typing is limiting, and the benefits of it
> are either illusory or available through other means.  In other words, Ruby has
> a certain flavour to it, a paradigm if you will.

> There's some discussion on this at
>   http://www.rubygarden.org/ruby?DynamicVsStaticTyping
> as well as other places on the Wiki (search "static typing")

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