[#45942] win32ole and excel — Martin Stannard <martin@...>

Hi,

19 messages 2002/08/01

[#45948] "gets" blocking process not thread (in Windows only) — Matt Pattison <mfp@...>

The problem with my program is that (in Windows) gets seems to block the entire

13 messages 2002/08/01

[#46030] IO.readlines is slow ? — "Shashank Date" <ADATE@...>

I really like the convenience of doing:

18 messages 2002/08/02

[#46072] How to Load Script from a C Extension? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

20 messages 2002/08/02

[#46107] embed or swig? — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

I'm working a C++ project for a contract I'm doing. Originally, the

21 messages 2002/08/03

[#46128] Assoc Class (Hash Pairs) — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>

i've been thinking about posting this as an RCR.

28 messages 2002/08/03

[#46136] Should this work? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

Should multiple assignment work for the

17 messages 2002/08/03

[#46192] Detecting when an instance variable is created/set — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>

Imagine we have a class like ...

22 messages 2002/08/04
[#46198] Re: Detecting when an instance variable is created/set — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/08/04

On Sun, 2002-08-04 at 06:03, Harry Ohlsen wrote:

[#46207] Re: Detecting when an instance variable is created/set — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...> 2002/08/04

> > Can I write a method (of class Object or Kernel, perhaps) that will be

[#46226] Re: Detecting when an instance variable is created/set — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...> 2002/08/04

On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 10:32:44PM +0900, Harry Ohlsen wrote:

[#46264] Dynamic creation of classes and methods — Tomasz Wegrzanowski <taw@...>

I want to create classes and methods on fly.

11 messages 2002/08/05

[#46341] More questions on automation from na誰ve Windows user. — Chris Gehlker <gehlker@...>

Hi all,

15 messages 2002/08/05

[#46356] Coding challenge (on Ruby Garden) — David Alan Black <dblack@...>

Hello --

47 messages 2002/08/06

[#46357] Compiling Ruby to Native Code? — web2ed@... (Edward Wilson)

Having looked at OCaml, after following a post to this group, one

20 messages 2002/08/06

[#46426] Is There an Inverse of 'rb_define_method'? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2002/08/06

[#46442] COM on Unix? — Chris Gehlker <gehlker@...>

As part of my crusade to make Ruby an automation language I read up a little

12 messages 2002/08/06

[#46443] Dup and Clone — "Justin Johnson" <justinj@...>

Could anyone kindly point out the difference between 'dup' and 'clone'?

17 messages 2002/08/06

[#46475] Named paramters again — "Justin Johnson" <justinj@...>

26 messages 2002/08/07
[#46534] Re: Named paramters again — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/08/07

[#46537] RE: Named paramters again — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2002/08/07

[#46550] GUI's and the Rouge, Part IV — Kero van Gelder <kero@...>

Funny, two savannah accounts for the same objective:

12 messages 2002/08/07

[#46565] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — "Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk" <qrczak@...>

Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:41:18 +0900, Curt Sampson <cjs@cynic.net> pisze:

12 messages 2002/08/07

[#46732] ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>

does anyone else find it annoying that local variable assignment is

56 messages 2002/08/09
[#46788] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — dblack@... 2002/08/10

Hi --

[#46791] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/08/10

On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 22:50, dblack@candle.superlink.net wrote:

[#46794] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — dblack@... 2002/08/10

Hi --

[#46734] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2002/08/09

On Sat, Aug 10, 2002 at 03:00:28AM +0900, Tom Sawyer wrote:

[#46737] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/08/09

On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 12:05, Paul Brannan wrote:

[#46739] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/08/09

Tom Sawyer <transami@transami.net> writes:

[#46741] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — GOTO Kentaro <gotoken@...> 2002/08/09

At Sat, 10 Aug 2002 03:44:45 +0900,

[#46748] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/08/09

GOTO Kentaro <gotoken@notwork.org> writes:

[#46753] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/08/09

On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 13:30, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#46841] Ah, I'm finally back from Japan ... — Dossy <dossy@...>

Not like anyone cares (or noticed) but my two week stay in Japan

12 messages 2002/08/10

[#46875] To be a Module, or not to be... — Holden Glova <dsafari@...>

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12 messages 2002/08/11

[#46911] Choosing ruby? — Rhymes <raims@...>

27 messages 2002/08/11

[#46957] Handling forms on database driven websites — Philip Mak <pmak@...>

Ever since I learned Perl, Ruby and MySQL, I've built several database

10 messages 2002/08/12

[#47000] Primary Key Hash help — "Chris Morris" <chrismo@...>

I have a huge data file with rows like this:

17 messages 2002/08/12

[#47134] Data_Make_Struct Considered Dangerous? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

39 messages 2002/08/13

[#47212] Ruby Weekly News — Dave@...

21 messages 2002/08/14

[#47292] Thought question: Where does "new" come from? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

I've been brooding again on the circularities

28 messages 2002/08/15
[#47342] Re: Thought question: Where does "new" come from? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2002/08/15

----- Original Message -----

[#47346] Re: Thought question: Where does "new" come from? — dblack@... 2002/08/15

Hi --

[#47365] Re: Thought question: Where does "new" come from? — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelfj-anti-spam@...> 2002/08/15

[#47369] Re: Thought question: Where does "new" come from? — dblack@... 2002/08/15

Hello --

[#47372] Re: Thought question: Where does "new" come from? — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelfj-anti-spam@...> 2002/08/15

[#47377] Re: Thought question: Where does "new" come from? — dblack@... 2002/08/16

Hi --

[#47344] eruby editor — "Kyle Wilson" <kyle.wilson@...>

Hello. I was wondering if anyone knows of a text editor which will

17 messages 2002/08/15

[#47440] Help with a segv in mod_ruby — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

14 messages 2002/08/16

[#47461] How do I dup file descriptors in ruby? (diverting STDERR) — "Richard A. Ryan" <ryan@...>

Hello,

12 messages 2002/08/16

[#47464] IDE vs. editor — Holden Glova <dsafari@...>

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43 messages 2002/08/16

[#47547] Re: What Ruby needs. — "Shashank Date" <ADATE@...>

I do not have any problem with item 1) on your wish list as long as I don't

13 messages 2002/08/18

[#47559] Ruby Bot — Giuseppe Bilotta <bilotta78@...>

Hello,

14 messages 2002/08/18

[#47643] thread control — "Shashank Date" <ADATE@...>

I am trying to write a ruby script (Ruby 1.7.2 mswin32) which does the

21 messages 2002/08/20

[#47695] What makes a "good" Ruby extension? — Tim Hunter <cyclists@...>

So I'm reading the "Comparing Gui Toolkits" wiki page

14 messages 2002/08/20

[#47749] What New Language After Ruby? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

To Andrew Hunt and David Thomas:

74 messages 2002/08/21
[#47754] Re: What New Language After Ruby? — Wilkes Joiner <boognish23@...> 2002/08/21

Although activity seems to have died down, here are some links

[#47817] A Repeat: New Language After Ruby? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

54 messages 2002/08/21
[#47820] RE: A Repeat: New Language After Ruby? — " JamesBritt" <james@...> 2002/08/21

[#47918] Win32 Scripting — Sean Middleditch <elanthis@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2002/08/22

[#48035] Why Ruby Uses Mark-and-Sweep GC? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

39 messages 2002/08/23

[#48062] Ruby and Judy — Joseph McDonald <joe@...>

29 messages 2002/08/23

[#48082] Distributed Object Container — junderdown@... (Jason Underdown)

Is anyone out there in the Ruby community working on an object

23 messages 2002/08/24
[#48185] Re: Distributed Object Container — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/08/26

----- Original Message -----

[#48223] Ruby Based App Server — junderdown@... (Jason Underdown)

I posted a similar question a few days ago, but didn't get any

21 messages 2002/08/26

[#48264] Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!! (it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — itsnewsforme@... (M S)

A big complaint from people looking into Ruby is that they don't see

36 messages 2002/08/27
[#48292] Re: Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!! (it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — ts <decoux@...> 2002/08/27

>>>>> "M" == M S <itsnewsforme@yahoo.ca> writes:

[#48296] RE: Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!! (it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2002/08/27

Actually, it would be nice to have them online, but not necessarily

[#48336] Re: Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!! (it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...> 2002/08/27

On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 09:39:32PM +0900, Rich Kilmer wrote:

[#48358] RE: Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!! (it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2002/08/28

http://kt-www.jaist.ac.jp/~ttate/ruby/ruby-dl.html

[#48362] RE: Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!! (it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/08/28

On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 19:32, Rich Kilmer wrote:

[#48367] RE: Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!!(it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2002/08/28

You can just install it in another directory and then go to that

[#48369] RE: Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!!(it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/08/28

uh, sorry, how do i get 1.7.2? i tried anonymous cvs but it said NO. did

[#48371] RE: Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usageforward!!(it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2002/08/28

Nightly CVS snapshot:

[#48274] ANN: RJudy-0.1 - Judy Arrays for Ruby — Lyle Johnson <lyle@...>

All,

17 messages 2002/08/27

[#48477] Newbie converting brain from perl — William Pietri <william-news-383910@...>

20 messages 2002/08/28

[#48544] Best GC for Ruby? — "Justin Johnson" <justinj@...>

34 messages 2002/08/29

[#48573] FXRuby Threading Problem Solved? — Lyle Johnson <lyle@...>

All,

14 messages 2002/08/29

[#48584] suggestions to the Ruby community — stibbs <stibbs@...>

Hi, first i would like to state that i absolutely love Ruby more than any

85 messages 2002/08/29
[#48923] Re: suggestions to the Ruby community — <bbense+comp.lang.ruby.Sep.03.02@...> 2002/09/03

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[#48930] RE: suggestions to the Ruby community — " JamesBritt" <james@...> 2002/09/03

> >I was surprised just now to find that there is no absolute requirement

[#49017] Re: suggestions to the Ruby community — <bbense+comp.lang.ruby.Sep.04.02@...> 2002/09/04

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[#48657] ICFP Programming Contest — Alan Chen <alan@...>

http://icfpcontest.cse.ogi.edu/task.html

12 messages 2002/08/30

[#48705] Ruby aesthetics — vegai@...

Hello. I've been checking into python lately quite a lot, and I

192 messages 2002/08/31
[#49010] Re: Ruby aesthetics — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2002/09/04

----- Original Message -----

[#49100] Re: Ruby aesthetics — Paul Prescod <paulp@...> 2002/09/05

On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Hal E. Fulton wrote:

[#49112] Re: Ruby aesthetics — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/05

Hi,

[#49154] Re: Ruby aesthetics — Paul Prescod <paulp@...> 2002/09/05

On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, William Djaja Tjokroaminata wrote:

[#49161] Re: Ruby aesthetics — Christian Szegedy <szegedy@...> 2002/09/05

Paul Prescod wrote:

[#49173] Re: Ruby aesthetics — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/05

Hi,

[#49183] Re: Ruby aesthetics — <paul@...> 2002/09/05

On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, William Djaja Tjokroaminata wrote:

[#49189] Re: Ruby aesthetics — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/05

I think we have communicated very well; I agree with all you said. May I

[#49191] Re: Ruby aesthetics — <paul@...> 2002/09/05

On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, William Djaja Tjokroaminata wrote:

[#49272] Re: Ruby aesthetics — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/06

Hi Matz,

[#49293] Re: Ruby aesthetics — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/09/06

Hi,

[#49312] Re: Ruby aesthetics — <paul@...> 2002/09/06

On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#49321] Re: Ruby aesthetics — dblack@... 2002/09/06

Hello --

Re: suggestions to the Ruby community [long]

From: "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...>
Date: 2002-08-31 05:48:39 UTC
List: ruby-talk #48698
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@hypermetrics.com>


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stibbs" <stibbs@nothanks.foo.web-hosting.com>
>
> > >
> > > So again, could you give us some _specific_ examples of actual
> >
> > I feel that in my original post i was specific as i could be.
>
> OK, I'm not flaming you. I'm just trying to communicate.
>
> Phil's request is reasonable. And you have *not* been as
> specific as you could be, because you have not named
> even ONE item that needs improved documentation.
>
> > If people
> > here feel that the the overall online english ruby documentation does not
> > need improvement, great.
>
> No one said that! There's a huge need for improvement. But
> there's also a huge amount out there.

It's reasonable then to point the question back at you! ;)  If there's a huge
need for improvement, what's an example?

> OK, I myself will be specific.
>
> Here are (some) things that I think ARE documented
> adequately in English:
>
> 1. Core classes: Array, Bignum, Binding, Class, Continuation,
> Dri, Exception, FalseClass, File, File::Stat, Fixnum, Float,
> Hash, Integer, IO, MatchData, Method, Module, NilClass,
> Numeric, Object, Proc, Range, Regexp, String, Struct,
> Struct::TMS, Symbol, Thread, ThreadGroup, Time, TrueClass
>
> 2. Core modules: Comparable, Enumerable, Errno, FileTest,
> GC, Kernel, Marshal, Math, ObjectSpace, Process
>
> 3. Standard libraries: Complex, Date, English, Find, Ftools,
> Getoptlong, Mkmf, Parsedate, PStore, Tempfile, Mutex,
> ConditionVariable, Timeout, WeakRef
>
> 4. OOP libraries: Visitor, Delegation, Observer
>
> 5. Networking Libraries: BasicSocket, IPSocket, TCPSocket,
> SOCKSSocket, TCPServer, UDPSocket, UNIXSocket, UNIXServer,
> Socket, Net::FTP, Net::HTTP, Net::HTTPResponse, Net::POP,
> Net::APOP, Net::POPMail, Net::SMTP, Net::Telnet, CGI,
> CGI::Session
>
> 6. Other stuff: RDOC, REXML, DRb, eRuby, irb, debug.rb,
> and so on.
>
> Which of these do you consider underdocumented? Or is it
> something else entirely?
>
> Hal
>

Your enumeration of the well-documented aspects of Ruby is correct, IMO.  I've
never had any trouble getting documentation on classes and methods in the
language and its standard libraries.  Well, no more trouble than having to flip
between ri, Pickaxe and Nutshell.

However, if you have a proper Perl installation on your system, take a look at
"man perl".  Apologies for the long post, but here is all the links to other
manpages it contains:

   perl            Perl overview (this section)
   perlfaq         Perl frequently asked questions
   perltoc         Perl documentation table of contents
   perlbook        Perl book information

   perlsyn         Perl syntax
   perldata        Perl data structures
   perlop          Perl operators and precedence
   perlsub         Perl subroutines
   perlfunc        Perl builtin functions
   perlreftut      Perl references short introduction
   perldsc         Perl data structures intro
   perlrequick     Perl regular expressions quick start
   perlpod         Perl plain old documentation
   perlstyle       Perl style guide
   perltrap        Perl traps for the unwary

   perlrun         Perl execution and options
   perldiag        Perl diagnostic messages
   perllexwarn     Perl warnings and their control
   perldebtut      Perl debugging tutorial
   perldebug       Perl debugging

   perlvar         Perl predefined variables
   perllol         Perl data structures: arrays of arrays
   perlopentut     Perl open() tutorial
   perlretut       Perl regular expressions tutorial

   perlre          Perl regular expressions, the rest of the story
   perlref         Perl references, the rest of the story

   perlform        Perl formats

   perlboot        Perl OO tutorial for beginners
   perltoot        Perl OO tutorial, part 1
   perltootc       Perl OO tutorial, part 2
   perlobj         Perl objects
   perlbot         Perl OO tricks and examples
   perltie         Perl objects hidden behind simple variables

   perlipc         Perl interprocess communication
   perlfork        Perl fork() information
   perlnumber      Perl number semantics
   perlthrtut      Perl threads tutorial

   perlport        Perl portability guide
   perllocale      Perl locale support
   perlunicode     Perl unicode support
   perlebcdic      Considerations for running Perl on EBCDIC platforms

   perlsec         Perl security

   perlmod         Perl modules: how they work
   perlmodlib      Perl modules: how to write and use
   perlmodinstall  Perl modules: how to install from CPAN
   perlnewmod      Perl modules: preparing a new module for distribution

   perlfaq1        General Questions About Perl
   perlfaq2        Obtaining and Learning about Perl
   perlfaq3        Programming Tools
   perlfaq4        Data Manipulation
   perlfaq5        Files and Formats
   perlfaq6        Regexes
   perlfaq7        Perl Language Issues
   perlfaq8        System Interaction
   perlfaq9        Networking

   perlcompile     Perl compiler suite intro

   perlembed       Perl ways to embed perl in your C or C++ application
   perldebguts     Perl debugging guts and tips
   perlxstut       Perl XS tutorial
   perlxs          Perl XS application programming interface
   perlclib        Internal replacements for standard C library functions
   perlguts        Perl internal functions for those doing extensions
   perlcall        Perl calling conventions from C
   perlutil        utilities packaged with the Perl distribution
   perlfilter      Perl source filters
   perldbmfilter   Perl DBM filters
   perlapi         Perl API listing (autogenerated)
   perlintern      Perl internal functions (autogenerated)
   perlapio        Perl internal IO abstraction interface
   perltodo        Perl things to do
   perlhack        Perl hackers guide

   perlhist        Perl history records
   perldelta       Perl changes since previous version
   perl5005delta   Perl changes in version 5.005
   perl5004delta   Perl changes in version 5.004

   perlaix         Perl notes for AIX
   perlamiga       Perl notes for Amiga
   perlbs2000      Perl notes for POSIX-BC BS2000
   perlcygwin      Perl notes for Cygwin
   perldos         Perl notes for DOS
   perlepoc        Perl notes for EPOC
   perlhpux        Perl notes for HP-UX
   perlmachten     Perl notes for Power MachTen
   perlmacos       Perl notes for Mac OS (Classic)
   perlmpeix       Perl notes for MPE/iX
   perlos2         Perl notes for OS/2
   perlos390       Perl notes for OS/390
   perlsolaris     Perl notes for Solaris
   perlvmesa       Perl notes for VM/ESA
   perlvms         Perl notes for VMS
   perlvos         Perl notes for Stratus VOS
   perlwin32       Perl notes for Windows

All this information at my fingertips fooled me into believing the language was
more usable than it really was (or at least, than I found it).  It is
definitely a sign of a mature language and user community.

I wonder what other Ruby folk think of this collection of information, whether
there is any sense or feasability in creating some documentation of this kind
for Ruby.  Finding a format to please everybody is difficult: I think man pages
are terrific, but others may not.

Ruby doesn't even *have* a manpage on my system (Cygwin).  A basic manpage
containing links to the online book, ruby-talk, etc. would be a start.

Cheers,
Gavin

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