[#45942] win32ole and excel — Martin Stannard <martin@...>

Hi,

19 messages 2002/08/01

[#45948] "gets" blocking process not thread (in Windows only) — Matt Pattison <mfp@...>

The problem with my program is that (in Windows) gets seems to block the entire

13 messages 2002/08/01

[#46030] IO.readlines is slow ? — "Shashank Date" <ADATE@...>

I really like the convenience of doing:

18 messages 2002/08/02

[#46072] How to Load Script from a C Extension? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

20 messages 2002/08/02

[#46107] embed or swig? — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

I'm working a C++ project for a contract I'm doing. Originally, the

21 messages 2002/08/03

[#46128] Assoc Class (Hash Pairs) — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>

i've been thinking about posting this as an RCR.

28 messages 2002/08/03

[#46136] Should this work? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

Should multiple assignment work for the

17 messages 2002/08/03

[#46192] Detecting when an instance variable is created/set — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>

Imagine we have a class like ...

22 messages 2002/08/04
[#46198] Re: Detecting when an instance variable is created/set — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/08/04

On Sun, 2002-08-04 at 06:03, Harry Ohlsen wrote:

[#46207] Re: Detecting when an instance variable is created/set — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...> 2002/08/04

> > Can I write a method (of class Object or Kernel, perhaps) that will be

[#46226] Re: Detecting when an instance variable is created/set — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...> 2002/08/04

On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 10:32:44PM +0900, Harry Ohlsen wrote:

[#46264] Dynamic creation of classes and methods — Tomasz Wegrzanowski <taw@...>

I want to create classes and methods on fly.

11 messages 2002/08/05

[#46341] More questions on automation from na誰ve Windows user. — Chris Gehlker <gehlker@...>

Hi all,

15 messages 2002/08/05

[#46356] Coding challenge (on Ruby Garden) — David Alan Black <dblack@...>

Hello --

47 messages 2002/08/06

[#46357] Compiling Ruby to Native Code? — web2ed@... (Edward Wilson)

Having looked at OCaml, after following a post to this group, one

20 messages 2002/08/06

[#46426] Is There an Inverse of 'rb_define_method'? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2002/08/06

[#46442] COM on Unix? — Chris Gehlker <gehlker@...>

As part of my crusade to make Ruby an automation language I read up a little

12 messages 2002/08/06

[#46443] Dup and Clone — "Justin Johnson" <justinj@...>

Could anyone kindly point out the difference between 'dup' and 'clone'?

17 messages 2002/08/06

[#46475] Named paramters again — "Justin Johnson" <justinj@...>

26 messages 2002/08/07
[#46534] Re: Named paramters again — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/08/07

[#46537] RE: Named paramters again — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2002/08/07

[#46550] GUI's and the Rouge, Part IV — Kero van Gelder <kero@...>

Funny, two savannah accounts for the same objective:

12 messages 2002/08/07

[#46565] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — "Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk" <qrczak@...>

Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:41:18 +0900, Curt Sampson <cjs@cynic.net> pisze:

12 messages 2002/08/07

[#46732] ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>

does anyone else find it annoying that local variable assignment is

56 messages 2002/08/09
[#46788] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — dblack@... 2002/08/10

Hi --

[#46791] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/08/10

On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 22:50, dblack@candle.superlink.net wrote:

[#46794] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — dblack@... 2002/08/10

Hi --

[#46734] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2002/08/09

On Sat, Aug 10, 2002 at 03:00:28AM +0900, Tom Sawyer wrote:

[#46737] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/08/09

On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 12:05, Paul Brannan wrote:

[#46739] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/08/09

Tom Sawyer <transami@transami.net> writes:

[#46741] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — GOTO Kentaro <gotoken@...> 2002/08/09

At Sat, 10 Aug 2002 03:44:45 +0900,

[#46748] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/08/09

GOTO Kentaro <gotoken@notwork.org> writes:

[#46753] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/08/09

On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 13:30, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#46841] Ah, I'm finally back from Japan ... — Dossy <dossy@...>

Not like anyone cares (or noticed) but my two week stay in Japan

12 messages 2002/08/10

[#46875] To be a Module, or not to be... — Holden Glova <dsafari@...>

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12 messages 2002/08/11

[#46911] Choosing ruby? — Rhymes <raims@...>

27 messages 2002/08/11

[#46957] Handling forms on database driven websites — Philip Mak <pmak@...>

Ever since I learned Perl, Ruby and MySQL, I've built several database

10 messages 2002/08/12

[#47000] Primary Key Hash help — "Chris Morris" <chrismo@...>

I have a huge data file with rows like this:

17 messages 2002/08/12

[#47134] Data_Make_Struct Considered Dangerous? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

39 messages 2002/08/13

[#47212] Ruby Weekly News — Dave@...

21 messages 2002/08/14

[#47292] Thought question: Where does "new" come from? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

I've been brooding again on the circularities

28 messages 2002/08/15
[#47342] Re: Thought question: Where does "new" come from? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2002/08/15

----- Original Message -----

[#47346] Re: Thought question: Where does "new" come from? — dblack@... 2002/08/15

Hi --

[#47365] Re: Thought question: Where does "new" come from? — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelfj-anti-spam@...> 2002/08/15

[#47369] Re: Thought question: Where does "new" come from? — dblack@... 2002/08/15

Hello --

[#47372] Re: Thought question: Where does "new" come from? — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelfj-anti-spam@...> 2002/08/15

[#47377] Re: Thought question: Where does "new" come from? — dblack@... 2002/08/16

Hi --

[#47344] eruby editor — "Kyle Wilson" <kyle.wilson@...>

Hello. I was wondering if anyone knows of a text editor which will

17 messages 2002/08/15

[#47440] Help with a segv in mod_ruby — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

14 messages 2002/08/16

[#47461] How do I dup file descriptors in ruby? (diverting STDERR) — "Richard A. Ryan" <ryan@...>

Hello,

12 messages 2002/08/16

[#47464] IDE vs. editor — Holden Glova <dsafari@...>

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43 messages 2002/08/16

[#47547] Re: What Ruby needs. — "Shashank Date" <ADATE@...>

I do not have any problem with item 1) on your wish list as long as I don't

13 messages 2002/08/18

[#47559] Ruby Bot — Giuseppe Bilotta <bilotta78@...>

Hello,

14 messages 2002/08/18

[#47643] thread control — "Shashank Date" <ADATE@...>

I am trying to write a ruby script (Ruby 1.7.2 mswin32) which does the

21 messages 2002/08/20

[#47695] What makes a "good" Ruby extension? — Tim Hunter <cyclists@...>

So I'm reading the "Comparing Gui Toolkits" wiki page

14 messages 2002/08/20

[#47749] What New Language After Ruby? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

To Andrew Hunt and David Thomas:

74 messages 2002/08/21
[#47754] Re: What New Language After Ruby? — Wilkes Joiner <boognish23@...> 2002/08/21

Although activity seems to have died down, here are some links

[#47817] A Repeat: New Language After Ruby? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

54 messages 2002/08/21
[#47820] RE: A Repeat: New Language After Ruby? — " JamesBritt" <james@...> 2002/08/21

[#47918] Win32 Scripting — Sean Middleditch <elanthis@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2002/08/22

[#48035] Why Ruby Uses Mark-and-Sweep GC? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

39 messages 2002/08/23

[#48062] Ruby and Judy — Joseph McDonald <joe@...>

29 messages 2002/08/23

[#48082] Distributed Object Container — junderdown@... (Jason Underdown)

Is anyone out there in the Ruby community working on an object

23 messages 2002/08/24
[#48185] Re: Distributed Object Container — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/08/26

----- Original Message -----

[#48223] Ruby Based App Server — junderdown@... (Jason Underdown)

I posted a similar question a few days ago, but didn't get any

21 messages 2002/08/26

[#48264] Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!! (it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — itsnewsforme@... (M S)

A big complaint from people looking into Ruby is that they don't see

36 messages 2002/08/27
[#48292] Re: Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!! (it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — ts <decoux@...> 2002/08/27

>>>>> "M" == M S <itsnewsforme@yahoo.ca> writes:

[#48296] RE: Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!! (it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2002/08/27

Actually, it would be nice to have them online, but not necessarily

[#48336] Re: Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!! (it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...> 2002/08/27

On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 09:39:32PM +0900, Rich Kilmer wrote:

[#48358] RE: Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!! (it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2002/08/28

http://kt-www.jaist.ac.jp/~ttate/ruby/ruby-dl.html

[#48362] RE: Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!! (it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/08/28

On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 19:32, Rich Kilmer wrote:

[#48367] RE: Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!!(it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2002/08/28

You can just install it in another directory and then go to that

[#48369] RE: Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!!(it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/08/28

uh, sorry, how do i get 1.7.2? i tried anonymous cvs but it said NO. did

[#48371] RE: Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usageforward!!(it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2002/08/28

Nightly CVS snapshot:

[#48274] ANN: RJudy-0.1 - Judy Arrays for Ruby — Lyle Johnson <lyle@...>

All,

17 messages 2002/08/27

[#48477] Newbie converting brain from perl — William Pietri <william-news-383910@...>

20 messages 2002/08/28

[#48544] Best GC for Ruby? — "Justin Johnson" <justinj@...>

34 messages 2002/08/29

[#48573] FXRuby Threading Problem Solved? — Lyle Johnson <lyle@...>

All,

14 messages 2002/08/29

[#48584] suggestions to the Ruby community — stibbs <stibbs@...>

Hi, first i would like to state that i absolutely love Ruby more than any

85 messages 2002/08/29
[#48923] Re: suggestions to the Ruby community — <bbense+comp.lang.ruby.Sep.03.02@...> 2002/09/03

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[#48930] RE: suggestions to the Ruby community — " JamesBritt" <james@...> 2002/09/03

> >I was surprised just now to find that there is no absolute requirement

[#49017] Re: suggestions to the Ruby community — <bbense+comp.lang.ruby.Sep.04.02@...> 2002/09/04

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[#48657] ICFP Programming Contest — Alan Chen <alan@...>

http://icfpcontest.cse.ogi.edu/task.html

12 messages 2002/08/30

[#48705] Ruby aesthetics — vegai@...

Hello. I've been checking into python lately quite a lot, and I

192 messages 2002/08/31
[#49010] Re: Ruby aesthetics — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2002/09/04

----- Original Message -----

[#49100] Re: Ruby aesthetics — Paul Prescod <paulp@...> 2002/09/05

On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Hal E. Fulton wrote:

[#49112] Re: Ruby aesthetics — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/05

Hi,

[#49154] Re: Ruby aesthetics — Paul Prescod <paulp@...> 2002/09/05

On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, William Djaja Tjokroaminata wrote:

[#49161] Re: Ruby aesthetics — Christian Szegedy <szegedy@...> 2002/09/05

Paul Prescod wrote:

[#49173] Re: Ruby aesthetics — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/05

Hi,

[#49183] Re: Ruby aesthetics — <paul@...> 2002/09/05

On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, William Djaja Tjokroaminata wrote:

[#49189] Re: Ruby aesthetics — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/05

I think we have communicated very well; I agree with all you said. May I

[#49191] Re: Ruby aesthetics — <paul@...> 2002/09/05

On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, William Djaja Tjokroaminata wrote:

[#49272] Re: Ruby aesthetics — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/06

Hi Matz,

[#49293] Re: Ruby aesthetics — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/09/06

Hi,

[#49312] Re: Ruby aesthetics — <paul@...> 2002/09/06

On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#49321] Re: Ruby aesthetics — dblack@... 2002/09/06

Hello --

Re: What Ruby needs.

From: olczyk@... (Thaddeus L. Olczyk)
Date: 2002-08-19 08:45:16 UTC
List: ruby-talk #47582
On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:18:44 GMT, Albert Wagner <alwagner@tcac.net>
wrote:

>On Sunday 18 August 2002 05:44 pm, Thaddeus L. Olczyk wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:39:31 -0500, "Shashank Date" <ADATE@kc.rr.com>
><snip>
>> And what is the objection to a core?
>> A core is just a snapshot of the runtime.
>
>Yes, usually a very, very, large snapshot.  And usually full of crap that is 
>not needed for the current project.
>
1) very,very,very large is a relative term. Checking clisp cores I
have, I see that clisp generates cores of roughly 7M core, and cmucl
generates a 20M core. VW generates a 15M core.

In these days of 1/2G-1G RAM and 40G hard drives on what are 
relatively small computers those are not big. And they can be made
smaller.

As you say they are usually full of all sorts of crap that you don't
need. Why? Because it's often herd to find and load the individual
packages. So ST preloads them for you ( lisp is a bit more circumspect
about it ).

In Ruby there is already a system that can do that easily. It's called
"require". With this you can start with a core that should be
relatively small ( the core and vm together would probably not
be any bigger than 2 times the size of the ruby interpreter ).

>> It is pretty handy when it takes you a half hour to start up ruby
>> and get it to the point where you were last time.
>
>Wow.  What are you doing that it takes you a half hour to start up ruby?
>
Real programming. 
People ask me to write code for them that does things that take a long
time ( hours, days, weeks, months years ) for them to do.
( After all it hardly makes sense for them to ask me to write code
that does things slower than they would. )

Even with a computer these things often take time. For exmple I
recently wrote code that takes a network mounted file system, reads
all the files in the system, starts with a base HTML index file
generates a list of all hrefs and src in the HTML file and all linked
hrefs ( ie a spider ). It compared the two and put in links ( at the
appropriate spot ) to the unreferenced files. It took several hours to
run. Further when I was debugging the last few little bits, it took 
about an hour and a half before it would hit the bugs. Lisp's core
saved me there.

I know that I would not want to write this program in a language that
did not have a core.

BTW I did not say it takes half an hour to start Ruby. I said it can
take half an hour to start Ruby and get to the point where I left off.
( Or to the last bug I fixed. )

Since your not clear about this point it's obvious that while you 
may have used languages with cores, you never really understood how to
do things in them.
><snip>
>
>Don't get me wrong.  I love ST: browsing, debugging, refactoring, etc.  But to 
>me the image was a big pain in the butt.
>
Why should it be a pain?
If you don't want extra images, don't keep them. Keep your original
image ( and back it up somewhere in case you do accidentally overwrite
it -- better start Lisp/ST/Ruby in a script which takes your backup
and overwrites the original ). File your changes in and out and you
don't have to deal with images ( except for the dialog boxes, such
as "You are leaving but have unsaved changes. Do you want to save?" ).

IT's also obvious that you have never used an editor or environment
that runs your vm as an inferior process. In ST you program by
modifying your environment. In Lisp you program by working in your
editor and loading your file. Then seeing where it stops working
correctly modifying your file sending the new function ( assuming it
was a function you modified ) to the vm where you pick off where you
left off. You don't have to do much work to keep all your code in a
file. That's the natural state. ( Whereas in ST you have to make an
effeort to keep things in a file, ie FIleout or Parcel out. ) 

That's already the way most people do Ruby. It wouldn't change much
for the programmer, except to give him a command to save an image
and a commandline option to start with a different image than the
standard.




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