[#45938] How to make a virtual 2nd column!!! — Kurt Euler <keuler@...>
All-
[#45942] win32ole and excel — Martin Stannard <martin@...>
Hi,
[#45948] "gets" blocking process not thread (in Windows only) — Matt Pattison <mfp@...>
The problem with my program is that (in Windows) gets seems to block the entire
Hi,
On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 10:31:15AM +0900, nobu.nokada@softhome.net wrote:
Hi,
[#45998] vim indenteation for ruby — Daniel Bretoi <lists@...>
[#46004] Checking whether a process exists (unix) — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>
To check whether a process with a given ID is still running on unix, I would
[#46023] Style: where to require in libs? — <bbense+comp.lang.ruby.Aug.01.02@...>
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[#46030] IO.readlines is slow ? — "Shashank Date" <ADATE@...>
I really like the convenience of doing:
[#46048] RE: GetoptLong#to_hash — "Berger, Daniel" <djberge@...>
[#46072] How to Load Script from a C Extension? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>
Hi,
[#46091] JRuby changes breaking code? — adamon@... (Damon)
I am running the sample code straight out of Ruby Developer's Guide,
[#46105] Ruby on the Sharp Zaurus PDA — Ian Macdonald <ian@...>
Hi,
Hi,
On Sun 04 Aug 2002 at 06:26:20 +0900, Jerome Gotangco wrote:
[#46107] embed or swig? — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)
I'm working a C++ project for a contract I'm doing. Originally, the
"Massimiliano Mirra" <list@NOSPAMchromatic-harp.com> wrote in message
i was just reading over a little of the swig docs and HOLY CODING! from
I'm working on a wxWindows port for Ruby (called, predictably, wxRuby),
[#46125] Deprecation and Unicode — Danny van Bruggen <danny@...>
Hello all,
[#46128] Assoc Class (Hash Pairs) — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>
i've been thinking about posting this as an RCR.
> i've been thinking about posting this as an RCR.
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Hello --
On Sun, 2002-08-04 at 06:40, David Alan Black wrote:
Hi --
[#46132] mini-ANN: Magnetic Poetry via TkCanvas — Phlip <phlip_cpp@...>
Rubies:
[#46136] Should this work? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
Should multiple assignment work for the
[#46151] String -> Integer anomoly? — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...>
Why does "09".to_i return 9
[#46192] Detecting when an instance variable is created/set — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>
Imagine we have a class like ...
On Sun, 2002-08-04 at 06:03, Harry Ohlsen wrote:
> > Can I write a method (of class Object or Kernel, perhaps) that will be
On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 10:32:44PM +0900, Harry Ohlsen wrote:
> Would it be enough for you to catch creation of instance variables in
On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 04:59:40AM +0900, Harry Ohlsen wrote:
[#46264] Dynamic creation of classes and methods — Tomasz Wegrzanowski <taw@...>
I want to create classes and methods on fly.
>>>>> "T" == Tomasz Wegrzanowski <taw@users.sourceforge.net> writes:
On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 05:51:58PM +0900, ts wrote:
>>>>> "T" == Tomasz Wegrzanowski <taw@users.sourceforge.net> writes:
On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 07:37:50PM +0900, ts wrote:
[#46270] Regex question — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...>
Folks,
Hello --
On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 11:37:12AM +0900, David Alan Black wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 11:37:12AM +0900, David Alan Black wrote:
[#46296] ruby-dev summary 17714-17874 — Takaaki Tateishi <ttate@...>
[#46326] RE: EW is unable to deliver — "Hammond, Tony (ELSLON)" <T.Hammond@...>
[#46337] Super-iterator? (long) — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
Here's an idea for you. I've worked on it a couple of days.
[#46341] More questions on automation from na誰ve Windows user. — Chris Gehlker <gehlker@...>
Hi all,
> I do have IE and it's supposedly scriptable. I just
[#46356] Coding challenge (on Ruby Garden) — David Alan Black <dblack@...>
Hello --
Hi --
On Mon, 2002-08-05 at 18:58, David Alan Black wrote:
David Alan Black <dblack@candle.superlink.net> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.30.0208052056270.15880-100000@candle.superlink.net>...
[#46357] Compiling Ruby to Native Code? — web2ed@... (Edward Wilson)
Having looked at OCaml, after following a post to this group, one
On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 10:19:54AM +0900, Edward Wilson wrote:
%% > Game over, if Java or Ruby provides native compilation; it won't make
"Rafael 'Dido' Sevilla" <dido@imperium.ph> wrote in message news:<20020807033226.GB1745@imperium.ph>...
On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 08:45:07AM +0900, Lothar Scholz wrote:
[#46393] Writing a method that's added to both Fixnum and Bignum — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>
A mate of mine just asked me an interesting question. He had written a method
[#46426] Is There an Inverse of 'rb_define_method'? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>
Hi,
[#46427] performance about "..." and '...' — tran55555@... (Email55555)
Hi,
[#46442] COM on Unix? — Chris Gehlker <gehlker@...>
As part of my crusade to make Ruby an automation language I read up a little
[#46443] Dup and Clone — "Justin Johnson" <justinj@...>
Could anyone kindly point out the difference between 'dup' and 'clone'?
[#46452] HT delete all files in a directory... — Kurt Euler <keuler@...>
Rubites:
[#46468] sort problem — Ian Macdonald <ian@...>
Hi,
[#46475] Named paramters again — "Justin Johnson" <justinj@...>
Hi --
[#46520] Something that corresponds to Perl's -T and -B tests? — Lloyd Zusman <ljz@...>
I've searched the Ruby documentation, and I can't find descriptions of
>>>>> "L" == Lloyd Zusman <ljz@asfast.com> writes:
ts <decoux@moulon.inra.fr> writes:
[#46523] XHTML output — Francois GORET <fgoret@...1.loxinfo.co.th>
Hi,
[#46532] Class hierarchy... for data — Tom Gilbert <tom@...>
Hey,
[#46539] A very small challenge — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
This is a very minor piece of code,
[#46550] GUI's and the Rouge, Part IV — Kero van Gelder <kero@...>
Funny, two savannah accounts for the same objective:
[#46558] Non trivial features changes in 1.7.2 via CVS — <bbense+comp.lang.ruby.Aug.07.02@...>
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[#46565] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — "Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk" <qrczak@...>
Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:41:18 +0900, Curt Sampson <cjs@cynic.net> pisze:
On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk wrote:
Curt Sampson <cjs@cynic.net> wrote in message news:<Pine.NEB.4.44.0208081139480.17422-100000@angelic.cynic.net>...
On Sat, 10 Aug 2002, Bret Jolly wrote:
[#46587] Bug in TkText — Albert Wagner <alwagner@...>
Ruby-1.6.7;Tcl/Tk-8.3.4
[#46615] The whole 'Spades' thing: GA and cardbots — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
OK, I have more useful things to be doing.
[#46646] RE: struct needs to be a constant? — "Berger, Daniel" <djberge@...>
>>>>> "B" == Berger, Daniel <djberge@qwest.com> writes:
Hi,
>>>>> "n" == nobu nokada <nobu.nokada@softhome.net> writes:
Hi,
>>>>> "n" == nobu nokada <nobu.nokada@softhome.net> writes:
[#46663] ruby sample code runtime problem — markgriffin@... (mark G)
Hello all,
[#46669] Testing for mod_ruby (was "how do i mock the presence / absence of a constant w/out getting warnings?") — patrick-may@... (Patrick May)
Currently, the only reliable way to test for the mod_ruby enviroment
[#46672] Variable validation — "Chris Morris" <chrismo@...>
I've got a class that has a number of instance variables, some of which must
[#46681] Dr. Dobbs Ruby Article — " JamesBritt" <james@...>
The September issue of Dr Dobbs has an article by Phil Tomson on distributed
> The September issue of Dr Dobbs has an article by Phil Tomson on
[#46696] Ruby in EETimes — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)
When it rains it pours, it seems:
[#46698] Ruby/LibGlade: multiple GladeXML objects — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>
hi,
[#46715] Getting the file name from a File::Stat object? — Lloyd Zusman <ljz@...>
Is there a way to get the file name from a File::Stat object?
At Fri, 9 Aug 2002 22:46:32 +0900,
[#46730] nil || // — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...>
Why does this not work in Ruby 1.6:
[#46732] ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>
does anyone else find it annoying that local variable assignment is
Hi --
On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 22:50, dblack@candle.superlink.net wrote:
Hi --
> class A
Hi, Tom. I see a pattern to all of your expectations for Ruby. Are you a
On Sat, 2002-08-10 at 17:44, Albert Wagner wrote:
On Sunday 11 August 2002 02:07 pm, Tom Sawyer wrote:
On Sat, Aug 10, 2002 at 03:00:28AM +0900, Tom Sawyer wrote:
On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 12:05, Paul Brannan wrote:
Tom Sawyer <transami@transami.net> writes:
At Sat, 10 Aug 2002 03:44:45 +0900,
GOTO Kentaro <gotoken@notwork.org> writes:
On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 13:30, Dave Thomas wrote:
How about:
On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 15:19, Rich Kilmer wrote:
Tom Sawyer <transami@transami.net> writes:
[#46776] Unit testing is considered harmful — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelfj-anti-spam@...>
I'm sorry, I could help it. I just find this considered harmful thing
[#46780] The problem with using $1 in regexps — Philip Mak <pmak@...>
sub _num_quotes {
[#46827] Economics of E-books? ( was re: Dr. Dobbs Ruby Article) — " JamesBritt" <james@...>
Re: USD $5 for a single Dr. Dobbs article
[#46841] Ah, I'm finally back from Japan ... — Dossy <dossy@...>
Not like anyone cares (or noticed) but my two week stay in Japan
----- Original Message -----
[#46845] extend Html4? — Philip Mak <pmak@...>
Suppose I have this code:
Hello --
On Sun, Aug 11, 2002 at 09:16:01AM +0900, dblack@candle.superlink.net wrote:
[#46875] To be a Module, or not to be... — Holden Glova <dsafari@...>
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>>>>> "H" == Holden Glova <dsafari@paradise.net.nz> writes:
On Sun, 2002-08-11 at 03:40, ts wrote:
>>>>> "T" == Tom Sawyer <transami@transami.net> writes:
[#46892] empty file returns nil not empty string? — Thomas Sdergaard <thomass@...>
Hello,
[#46902] "ri test" tells me to see page 430? — Philip Mak <pmak@...>
$ ri test
[#46906] subclassing and @@variable — Philip Mak <pmak@...>
I have the following test code:
Philip Mak wrote:
[#46911] Choosing ruby? — Rhymes <raims@...>
[#46957] Handling forms on database driven websites — Philip Mak <pmak@...>
Ever since I learned Perl, Ruby and MySQL, I've built several database
[#46965] replacing values in some files: line endings etc — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>
Hi,
[#47000] Primary Key Hash help — "Chris Morris" <chrismo@...>
I have a huge data file with rows like this:
> I have a huge data file with rows like this:
[#47053] ruby-dev summary 17875-17964 — TAKAHASHI Masayoshi <maki@...>
There was a lot of discussions in ruby-dev this week.
[#47080] class === class often false? — "Bill Kelly" <billk@...>
Hi,
----- Original Message -----
[#47134] Data_Make_Struct Considered Dangerous? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>
Hi,
ts <decoux@moulon.inra.fr> wrote:
Hi,
>>>>> "W" == William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@z.glue.umd.edu> writes:
Two things:
[#47163] YAML.rb 0.38 -- Objects in plain text — why the lucky stiff <yaml4r@...>
Pleased to announce the latest YAML.rb product.
[#47199] Is this array operation correct? —
Hi,
[#47202] Minimum version of windows for ruby? — ian <spammapsglenizrainmapsspammaps@...>
Hi -
[#47212] Ruby Weekly News — Dave@...
----- Original Message -----
Please don't take this as a knock of the efforts required to produce the
----- Original Message -----
[#47218] Cannot input Thai character in TkEntry — "nongluk" <nonglukb@...>
Hi,
[#47228] Re: 1.7.2 v. the latest and 1.7.2 windows dist — Andrew Hunt <andy@...>
>> The front page of ruby-lang.org lists 1.7.2 as the current development
[#47240] RE: A few newbie questions... — "Bennett, Patrick" <Patrick.Bennett@...>
You're really going to like Ruby. :>
----- Original Message -----
[#47244] RE: How to use the safe_unlink method? — Kurt Euler <keuler@...>
Guy-
[#47270] Legendary Chaos Computer Club goes Ruby — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelfj-anti-spam@...>
The Chaos Computer Club that spawned legendary hackers in the 80'ties
[#47292] Thought question: Where does "new" come from? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
I've been brooding again on the circularities
----- Original Message -----
Hi --
Hello --
Hi --
[#47306] adding method to existing class — Eugene Scripnik <Eugene.Scripnik@...>
I need to include some methods in class stored in some variable:
[#47344] eruby editor — "Kyle Wilson" <kyle.wilson@...>
Hello. I was wondering if anyone knows of a text editor which will
Here's what I have - 91 characters with everything you'd need for a Flash
[#47348] robust hardware to run ruby newtwork service — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>
i know this is bit off topic, but since you all are my "computer family"
[#47360] Is it possible?---ruby xxx.rb arg1 arg2... — "Chai, Xinwei" <ChaiXV@...>
Hellow guys:
[#47375] How do I find the URL of the .rhtml that's being served? — sera@... (Francis Hwang)
I have a utility class that's being used inside a bunch of different
[#47440] Help with a segv in mod_ruby — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>
> I'm getting a segv in mod_ruby:
[#47441] Narf cgi library alpha release — patrick-may@... (Patrick May)
Information: http://narf-lib.sourceforge.net/
[#47461] How do I dup file descriptors in ruby? (diverting STDERR) — "Richard A. Ryan" <ryan@...>
Hello,
[#47464] IDE vs. editor — Holden Glova <dsafari@...>
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>>>>> "Holden" == Holden Glova <dsafari@paradise.net.nz> writes:
On Sat, Aug 17, 2002 at 10:49:20AM +0900, Jim Weirich wrote:
On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 03:45:00AM +0900, Massimiliano Mirra wrote:
On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 03:57:22AM +0900, Alan Chen wrote:
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[#47504] FreeRide install problem — Armin Roehrl <armin@...>
Hi,
[#47545] How can I avoid "Insecure operation - stat (SecurityError) " — " JamesBritt" <james@...>
I'm trying to get some ruby code, running under mod_ruby, to retrieve the
[#47547] Re: What Ruby needs. — "Shashank Date" <ADATE@...>
I do not have any problem with item 1) on your wish list as long as I don't
[#47559] Ruby Bot — Giuseppe Bilotta <bilotta78@...>
Hello,
Well, with rbot 0.9.4 there was an error about SIGHUP not being a
[#47585] equivalent of python's __debug__ — David Garamond <davegaramond@...>
python can compile in two modes, normal and optimized. in optimized
[#47598] ruby-dev summary 17965-18021 — Minero Aoki <aamine@...>
Hi all,
[#47618] drb -- distrib'd ruby and marshalling, question about methods — john@... (John van V.)
Hello, I have been moving perl objects around for years and I was very
[#47640] Perl -> Ruby: assistance wanted (offlist) — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
Hello all...
[#47643] thread control — "Shashank Date" <ADATE@...>
I am trying to write a ruby script (Ruby 1.7.2 mswin32) which does the
[#47669] Data_Make_Struct and ALLOC Considered Harmful? — billtj@... (Bill Tj)
Hi,
[#47680] quines (again) — "Bill Kelly" <billk@...>
Hi,
[#47688] the power of ruby — AW <sturmpanzer@...>
Hi,
[#47695] What makes a "good" Ruby extension? — Tim Hunter <cyclists@...>
So I'm reading the "Comparing Gui Toolkits" wiki page
Tim Hunter wrote:
> I think this is a question that a lot of Ruby programmers struggle
[#47749] What New Language After Ruby? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>
To Andrew Hunt and David Thomas:
Although activity seems to have died down, here are some links
Hi,
Hi,
Nat Pryce <nat.pryce@b13media.com> writes:
Thanks a lot, Marcin, for the valuable information. The description on
On Fri, 2002-08-23 at 15:18, William Djaja Tjokroaminata wrote:
Hi,
Hi,
[#47757] Puzzeled by Range object — Robert McGovern <duemoko@...>
I was just writing an example for the "power of ruby" thread, using ranges.
[#47767] RE: Some comments on the 167-1 installer — Andrew Hunt <andy@...>
>Rich says:
[#47802] ANN: scanf for Ruby — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
This is the product of the Austin Ruby Codefest 2002,
[#47817] A Repeat: New Language After Ruby? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>
Hi,
Peter Hickman <peter@semantico.com> writes:
[#47826] RE: select on solaris — "Berger, Daniel" <djberge@...>
[#47842] Newbie question. How to install a new package? — Giuseppe Bilotta <bilotta78@...>
Well, I installed URI by simply popping it into the \lib\ directory,
[#47864] nohup -g and ruby-1.6.7 on Solaris9 — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...>
Given the following:
[#47867] RE: Newbie question. How to install a new package? — CRIBBSJ <CRIBBSJ@...>
[#47888] RE: Newbie question. How to install a new package? — CRIBBSJ <CRIBBSJ@...>
> -----Original Message-----
[#47918] Win32 Scripting — Sean Middleditch <elanthis@...>
Hi,
----- Original Message -----
On Fri, Aug 23, 2002 at 02:36:48AM +0900, Sean Middleditch wrote:
[#47932] Can I write to DATA? — Jim Freeze <jfreeze@...>
Hi:
[#47945] Paul Graham essay on language popularity — HotFusionMan@... (Albert Davidson Chou)
I don't read the list/group anymore, so I'm not sure whether this
[#47958] Tk and Gtk — Robert Warning <cleeker@...>
Okay this isn't exactly a ruby question, but in the near future I want
Sean Middleditch wrote:
[#47995] converting rows into structs — Eugene Scripnik <Eugene.Scripnik@...>
I have a methods that converts all DB rows into structs using Struct
On 2002.08.23, Eugene Scripnik <Eugene.Scripnik@itgrp.net> wrote:
Friday, August 23, 2002, 2:19:53 PM, you wrote:
On 2002.08.23, Eugene Scripnik <Eugene.Scripnik@itgrp.net> wrote:
[#48001] new ruby from cvs — Eugene Scripnik <Eugene.Scripnik@...>
I installed new ruby 1.7.2 (2002-08-21) from cvs and get warning in
[#48013] Perl Exegesis 5 — "Mike Wilson" <wmwilson01@...>
You can find the Perl Exegesis 5 here:
In article <F249FbCUalRlUwViKaZ000117d8@hotmail.com>,
At 3:19 AM +0900 8/24/02, Phil Tomson wrote:
On Sat, Aug 24, 2002 at 03:37:04AM +0900, Dan Sugalski wrote:
[#48035] Why Ruby Uses Mark-and-Sweep GC? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>
Hi,
[#48062] Ruby and Judy — Joseph McDonald <joe@...>
Joseph McDonald wrote:
----- Original Message -----
[#48082] Distributed Object Container — junderdown@... (Jason Underdown)
Is anyone out there in the Ruby community working on an object
----- Original Message -----
> J2EE - more specifically, EJB - enables those nice things like pooling,
> > But how can you have Enterprise *Java(tm)* Beans without, well,
>
"Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@soyabean.com.au> wrote in message news:<000201c24d03$2caa8ad0$0c6332d2@nosedog>...
> Yes, you are right, J2EE is just a standard implemented by several app
> > Yes, you are right, J2EE is just a standard implemented by
[#48114] CompareByValue — Ryan King <rking@...>
I put a challenge up at:
On 2002.08.25, Ryan King <rking@panoptic.com> wrote:
On 2002.08.25, Dossy <dossy@panoptic.com> wrote:
On 2002.08.27, Ryan King <rking@panoptic.com> wrote:
On 2002.08.29, Dossy <dossy@panoptic.com> wrote:
[#48165] RDoc: .png files are empty — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...>
[#48168] warning modifying constant & 'global constant' — David Garamond <davegaramond@...>
1. if someone attempts to modify a constant, why does ruby choose to
[#48217] Getting list of classes in a module? — Philip Mak <pmak@...>
How do I get the list of all classes that are defined in a module
[#48219] Tk scrollbar with elided text — Albert Wagner <alwagner@...>
I am using a TkText as a base for an editor, with folding implemented by using
[#48223] Ruby Based App Server — junderdown@... (Jason Underdown)
I posted a similar question a few days ago, but didn't get any
> I've worked on web applications built on the J2EE platform as well as
[#48227] Bug report: $irbrc does not affect IRB — Brian Marick <marick@...>
In both the IRB from Ruby 1.6.4 and irb-0.9-02.07.03.tgz from RAA,
[#48233] Question about Ruby extension API — "Bennett, Patrick" <Patrick.Bennett@...>
I've looked all over but can't find the function call for doing a simple assignment (!)
[#48234] Hybrid hash and array? — Philip Mak <pmak@...>
When programming radio buttons on a website, I find myself using this
[#48264] Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!! (it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — itsnewsforme@... (M S)
A big complaint from people looking into Ruby is that they don't see
Intro: sorry for the long post, I wanted to speak, hope you won't mind
>>>>> "M" == M S <itsnewsforme@yahoo.ca> writes:
Actually, it would be nice to have them online, but not necessarily
On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 09:39:32PM +0900, Rich Kilmer wrote:
http://kt-www.jaist.ac.jp/~ttate/ruby/ruby-dl.html
On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 19:32, Rich Kilmer wrote:
You can just install it in another directory and then go to that
uh, sorry, how do i get 1.7.2? i tried anonymous cvs but it said NO. did
Nightly CVS snapshot:
just complied and drew up an error:
From Tom Sawyer <1030511597.793.982.camel@silver>
Hi,
thanks matz,
On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 06:47:30PM +0900, ts wrote:
[#48274] ANN: RJudy-0.1 - Judy Arrays for Ruby — Lyle Johnson <lyle@...>
All,
[#48320] compile time type checking — "Volkmann, Mark" <Mark.Volkmann@...>
I think the main reason that languages such as Ruby, Python, Perl and TCL
[#48333] Temporary VALUE Needs to Be Protected? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>
Hi,
[#48352] c-api: rb_str_new — Matthias Veit <matthias_veit@...>
[#48420] Is anybody working on a ruby compiler (rb->exe) — "Kontra, Gergely" <kgergely@...>
Hi!
[#48434] RE: Is anybody working on a ruby compiler (rb->exe) — christopher.j.meisenzahl@...
[#48446] How to read files in all subdirectories? — Kurt Euler <keuler@...>
Ruby experts:
[#48467] Novice needs help with FX Ruby — lucidlife@... (ck)
Hi,
ck wrote:
[#48468] Compile error — "C. David Wilde" <cdw@...>
Hello,
[#48477] Newbie converting brain from perl — William Pietri <william-news-383910@...>
[#48494] next statement — "David Douthitt" <DDouthitt@...>
I thought there was a way to use "next" (or similar) to escape an arbitrary number of loops. Akin to this:
[#48521] Ruby/DL with GTK gtk_signal_connect — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>
hi all, i'm working with Ruby/DL, binding to GTK. it is very cool. but i
[#48544] Best GC for Ruby? — "Justin Johnson" <justinj@...>
Hi,
[#48556] RE: Is anybody working on a ruby compiler (rb->exe) — christopher.j.meisenzahl@...
> > >Cool... but are there any english docs on exerb? How
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On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 08:14:20AM +0900, michael libby wrote:
[#48558] gethostbyname() requires reverse lookup to work? — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...>
We ran into a problem last night where we could ping a host, telnet to
[#48564] YAML.rb 0.40 -- Circular references, Emitter enhancements — yamlrb@...
Aha! A new YAML.rb is out at long last: >
[#48565] how to create a ruby object via the c-api? — Matthias Veit <matthias_veit@...>
[#48573] FXRuby Threading Problem Solved? — Lyle Johnson <lyle@...>
All,
[#48584] suggestions to the Ruby community — stibbs <stibbs@...>
Hi, first i would like to state that i absolutely love Ruby more than any
I've encountered the same complaints from my co-workers and
instead of everyone writing your own documentation, wouldnt a wiki
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Hi
[#48633] Can We Pass Block from Function to Function? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>
Hi,
[#48648] How to write scripts with plug-in support [long] — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...>
Hi all,
[#48657] ICFP Programming Contest — Alan Chen <alan@...>
http://icfpcontest.cse.ogi.edu/task.html
On Sat, 31 Aug 2002, Alan Chen wrote:
[#48678] proper upgrade to 1.7.3 — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>
so i went ahead and started moving over to 1.7.
[#48703] RE: suggestions to the Ruby community — "Pe, Botp" <botp@...>
> From: JamesBritt [mailto:james@jamesbritt.com]
> James, you've said it all (kindly and clearly, too).
[#48705] Ruby aesthetics — vegai@...
Hello. I've been checking into python lately quite a lot, and I
My two reasons for disliking Python's aesthetics:
Yukihiro Matsumoto graced us by uttering:
>
On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 02:56, Gavin Sinclair wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 02:56, Gavin Sinclair wrote:
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I am really amazed if Ruby is really compared against Java, especially in
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On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Hal E. Fulton wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, William Djaja Tjokroaminata wrote:
Paul Prescod wrote:
Hi,
On Thursday 05 September 2002 12:08 pm, Christian Szegedy wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, William Djaja Tjokroaminata wrote:
I think we have communicated very well; I agree with all you said. May I
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, William Djaja Tjokroaminata wrote:
Hi Matz,
Hi,
On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
Hello --
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Gavin Sinclair (gsinclair@soyabean.com.au) wrote:
Hi,
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Re: TkText no -textvariable workaround?
On Sat, 2002-08-03 at 05:59, Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk wrote:
> It would not make sense in a language like Ruby (and almost all
> other languages, including Java) where variables reference objects,
> not contain objects.
no, i think you take this too far. it makes a lot of sense in a language
like ruby, but does require a seperation between assignment and
reassignment, if you will. in other words x = "a" would not necessarily
be the same as x = String.new("a"), [of course a new literal could be
used] in the later case you are creating an object, x, and making it a
string. in the former you are reassigning the object, x.
> Only C++, C, Pascal, Perl and some older languages are different.
> Because they copy objects passed around the program unless explicit
> pointers/references are used to indirectly refer to them. In C++
> here:
>
> std::string x;
> std::string y;
> x = "some string";
> y = x;
>
> x and y are different objects (they can at most share their payload
> by a complex machinery under the hood), and 'y = whatever' doesn't
> create a new object for y but changes contents of an existing object.
>
> It's hard to share objects in C++ because of explicit memory
> management. You would have to know when other parts of the program
> are no longer interested in an object. It's easier to make a copy
> and destroy each separately.
>
> C++ encourages imperative programming. Sharing is troublesome and
> copying is expensive, so you often modify objects in place.
>
> That approach worked well where most objects are simple things like
> numbers. It gets much worse with tree-like structures which like
> to have shared parts.
>
>
>
> In Ruby objects are naturally passed by reference, explicit pointers
> with an additional indirection are not needed. When you store an
> object in a data structure or in a variable, only a reference to an
> existing object is written, there is no copy created.
unfortuanltly a couple of ruby objects are not passed by reference,
notably FIXNUM. personally, i have already run into a couple instances
where this "knocked me off my horse", and i think it a bad idea to mix
things up like this. perhaps there is good reason, but if it is one of
speed, i'd rather buy a faster processor and more memory that have this
inconsistancy.
> It's common that two variables refer to the same object. If '=' was a
> message sent to that object which replaced its contents with contents
> of another object, the change would be visible through both variables!
yes, but not replacement of contents.
> Well, it would be worse: you couldn't express that sharing at all.
> If assignment made a copy, how would you refer to an existing object
> to see changes done inside it? Would passing objects as arguments
> perform the same copying? Now it's the same as using '=' to bind them
> to parameters!
no, no copying.
> You don't modify the object inside the variable. You modify the
> variable to let it point to another object. It's a fundamental
> difference. It allows to have one mechanism of passing objects around
> and holding them with variables.
>
> Since sharing is common, modifications of objects in place are more
> dangerous. You might forget that another part of the program refers
> to that object while it was meant to have a snapshot of its state
> from an earlier time. You either use methods which treat objects as
> immutable and return new objects with changed contents (those without
> '!' at the end), or remember to .dup objects as needed.
(aside, would it be possible for ! methods to be an automatic creation?
just seems like there might be a way to define a method such that the !
version of it is automatically is deduced from it and that this could be
used through out ruby. just a thought.)
> These are two basic models of passing objects around. They shouldn't
> be confused, you can't take parts of one system into another. The
> difference is quite fundamental and easily forgotten, because in
> overall it causes similar effect in case of assignments of atomic
> objects like numbers (immutable in Ruby, mutable in C++).
i think there are some deeper consideration to this. if ruby were to
take one more step in the direction of OO, becoming a Radical OOP, i
think it would discover another level (or at least semi-level) of power.
since everything is a subclass of object, there's no reason that objects
can't switch identities above that. we would be able to call-back on
such reassignments and create all sorts of neat "automagical" stuff.
also one could conrol class access at a much finer level.
it would not force us to use pass by assignment instead of pass by
reference. in fact the opposite is true.
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>
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