[#45942] win32ole and excel — Martin Stannard <martin@...>

Hi,

19 messages 2002/08/01

[#45948] "gets" blocking process not thread (in Windows only) — Matt Pattison <mfp@...>

The problem with my program is that (in Windows) gets seems to block the entire

13 messages 2002/08/01

[#46030] IO.readlines is slow ? — "Shashank Date" <ADATE@...>

I really like the convenience of doing:

18 messages 2002/08/02

[#46072] How to Load Script from a C Extension? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

20 messages 2002/08/02

[#46107] embed or swig? — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

I'm working a C++ project for a contract I'm doing. Originally, the

21 messages 2002/08/03

[#46128] Assoc Class (Hash Pairs) — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>

i've been thinking about posting this as an RCR.

28 messages 2002/08/03

[#46136] Should this work? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

Should multiple assignment work for the

17 messages 2002/08/03

[#46192] Detecting when an instance variable is created/set — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>

Imagine we have a class like ...

22 messages 2002/08/04
[#46198] Re: Detecting when an instance variable is created/set — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/08/04

On Sun, 2002-08-04 at 06:03, Harry Ohlsen wrote:

[#46207] Re: Detecting when an instance variable is created/set — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...> 2002/08/04

> > Can I write a method (of class Object or Kernel, perhaps) that will be

[#46226] Re: Detecting when an instance variable is created/set — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...> 2002/08/04

On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 10:32:44PM +0900, Harry Ohlsen wrote:

[#46264] Dynamic creation of classes and methods — Tomasz Wegrzanowski <taw@...>

I want to create classes and methods on fly.

11 messages 2002/08/05

[#46341] More questions on automation from na誰ve Windows user. — Chris Gehlker <gehlker@...>

Hi all,

15 messages 2002/08/05

[#46356] Coding challenge (on Ruby Garden) — David Alan Black <dblack@...>

Hello --

47 messages 2002/08/06

[#46357] Compiling Ruby to Native Code? — web2ed@... (Edward Wilson)

Having looked at OCaml, after following a post to this group, one

20 messages 2002/08/06

[#46426] Is There an Inverse of 'rb_define_method'? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2002/08/06

[#46442] COM on Unix? — Chris Gehlker <gehlker@...>

As part of my crusade to make Ruby an automation language I read up a little

12 messages 2002/08/06

[#46443] Dup and Clone — "Justin Johnson" <justinj@...>

Could anyone kindly point out the difference between 'dup' and 'clone'?

17 messages 2002/08/06

[#46475] Named paramters again — "Justin Johnson" <justinj@...>

26 messages 2002/08/07
[#46534] Re: Named paramters again — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/08/07

[#46537] RE: Named paramters again — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2002/08/07

[#46550] GUI's and the Rouge, Part IV — Kero van Gelder <kero@...>

Funny, two savannah accounts for the same objective:

12 messages 2002/08/07

[#46565] Re: Unicode in Ruby now? — "Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk" <qrczak@...>

Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:41:18 +0900, Curt Sampson <cjs@cynic.net> pisze:

12 messages 2002/08/07

[#46732] ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>

does anyone else find it annoying that local variable assignment is

56 messages 2002/08/09
[#46788] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — dblack@... 2002/08/10

Hi --

[#46791] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/08/10

On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 22:50, dblack@candle.superlink.net wrote:

[#46794] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — dblack@... 2002/08/10

Hi --

[#46734] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2002/08/09

On Sat, Aug 10, 2002 at 03:00:28AM +0900, Tom Sawyer wrote:

[#46737] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/08/09

On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 12:05, Paul Brannan wrote:

[#46739] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/08/09

Tom Sawyer <transami@transami.net> writes:

[#46741] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — GOTO Kentaro <gotoken@...> 2002/08/09

At Sat, 10 Aug 2002 03:44:45 +0900,

[#46748] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/08/09

GOTO Kentaro <gotoken@notwork.org> writes:

[#46753] Re: ambiguity between local variable assignment and writter method — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/08/09

On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 13:30, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#46841] Ah, I'm finally back from Japan ... — Dossy <dossy@...>

Not like anyone cares (or noticed) but my two week stay in Japan

12 messages 2002/08/10

[#46875] To be a Module, or not to be... — Holden Glova <dsafari@...>

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12 messages 2002/08/11

[#46911] Choosing ruby? — Rhymes <raims@...>

27 messages 2002/08/11

[#46957] Handling forms on database driven websites — Philip Mak <pmak@...>

Ever since I learned Perl, Ruby and MySQL, I've built several database

10 messages 2002/08/12

[#47000] Primary Key Hash help — "Chris Morris" <chrismo@...>

I have a huge data file with rows like this:

17 messages 2002/08/12

[#47134] Data_Make_Struct Considered Dangerous? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

39 messages 2002/08/13

[#47212] Ruby Weekly News — Dave@...

21 messages 2002/08/14

[#47292] Thought question: Where does "new" come from? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

I've been brooding again on the circularities

28 messages 2002/08/15
[#47342] Re: Thought question: Where does "new" come from? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2002/08/15

----- Original Message -----

[#47346] Re: Thought question: Where does "new" come from? — dblack@... 2002/08/15

Hi --

[#47365] Re: Thought question: Where does "new" come from? — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelfj-anti-spam@...> 2002/08/15

[#47369] Re: Thought question: Where does "new" come from? — dblack@... 2002/08/15

Hello --

[#47372] Re: Thought question: Where does "new" come from? — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelfj-anti-spam@...> 2002/08/15

[#47377] Re: Thought question: Where does "new" come from? — dblack@... 2002/08/16

Hi --

[#47344] eruby editor — "Kyle Wilson" <kyle.wilson@...>

Hello. I was wondering if anyone knows of a text editor which will

17 messages 2002/08/15

[#47440] Help with a segv in mod_ruby — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

14 messages 2002/08/16

[#47461] How do I dup file descriptors in ruby? (diverting STDERR) — "Richard A. Ryan" <ryan@...>

Hello,

12 messages 2002/08/16

[#47464] IDE vs. editor — Holden Glova <dsafari@...>

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43 messages 2002/08/16

[#47547] Re: What Ruby needs. — "Shashank Date" <ADATE@...>

I do not have any problem with item 1) on your wish list as long as I don't

13 messages 2002/08/18

[#47559] Ruby Bot — Giuseppe Bilotta <bilotta78@...>

Hello,

14 messages 2002/08/18

[#47643] thread control — "Shashank Date" <ADATE@...>

I am trying to write a ruby script (Ruby 1.7.2 mswin32) which does the

21 messages 2002/08/20

[#47695] What makes a "good" Ruby extension? — Tim Hunter <cyclists@...>

So I'm reading the "Comparing Gui Toolkits" wiki page

14 messages 2002/08/20

[#47749] What New Language After Ruby? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

To Andrew Hunt and David Thomas:

74 messages 2002/08/21
[#47754] Re: What New Language After Ruby? — Wilkes Joiner <boognish23@...> 2002/08/21

Although activity seems to have died down, here are some links

[#47817] A Repeat: New Language After Ruby? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

54 messages 2002/08/21
[#47820] RE: A Repeat: New Language After Ruby? — " JamesBritt" <james@...> 2002/08/21

[#47918] Win32 Scripting — Sean Middleditch <elanthis@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2002/08/22

[#48035] Why Ruby Uses Mark-and-Sweep GC? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

39 messages 2002/08/23

[#48062] Ruby and Judy — Joseph McDonald <joe@...>

29 messages 2002/08/23

[#48082] Distributed Object Container — junderdown@... (Jason Underdown)

Is anyone out there in the Ruby community working on an object

23 messages 2002/08/24
[#48185] Re: Distributed Object Container — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/08/26

----- Original Message -----

[#48223] Ruby Based App Server — junderdown@... (Jason Underdown)

I posted a similar question a few days ago, but didn't get any

21 messages 2002/08/26

[#48264] Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!! (it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — itsnewsforme@... (M S)

A big complaint from people looking into Ruby is that they don't see

36 messages 2002/08/27
[#48292] Re: Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!! (it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — ts <decoux@...> 2002/08/27

>>>>> "M" == M S <itsnewsforme@yahoo.ca> writes:

[#48296] RE: Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!! (it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2002/08/27

Actually, it would be nice to have them online, but not necessarily

[#48336] Re: Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!! (it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...> 2002/08/27

On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 09:39:32PM +0900, Rich Kilmer wrote:

[#48358] RE: Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!! (it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2002/08/28

http://kt-www.jaist.ac.jp/~ttate/ruby/ruby-dl.html

[#48362] RE: Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!! (it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/08/28

On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 19:32, Rich Kilmer wrote:

[#48367] RE: Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!!(it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2002/08/28

You can just install it in another directory and then go to that

[#48369] RE: Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usage forward!!(it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/08/28

uh, sorry, how do i get 1.7.2? i tried anonymous cvs but it said NO. did

[#48371] RE: Ruby developers: help push RPKG development and usageforward!!(it is like CPAN.pm, only Ruby) — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2002/08/28

Nightly CVS snapshot:

[#48274] ANN: RJudy-0.1 - Judy Arrays for Ruby — Lyle Johnson <lyle@...>

All,

17 messages 2002/08/27

[#48477] Newbie converting brain from perl — William Pietri <william-news-383910@...>

20 messages 2002/08/28

[#48544] Best GC for Ruby? — "Justin Johnson" <justinj@...>

34 messages 2002/08/29

[#48573] FXRuby Threading Problem Solved? — Lyle Johnson <lyle@...>

All,

14 messages 2002/08/29

[#48584] suggestions to the Ruby community — stibbs <stibbs@...>

Hi, first i would like to state that i absolutely love Ruby more than any

85 messages 2002/08/29
[#48923] Re: suggestions to the Ruby community — <bbense+comp.lang.ruby.Sep.03.02@...> 2002/09/03

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[#48930] RE: suggestions to the Ruby community — " JamesBritt" <james@...> 2002/09/03

> >I was surprised just now to find that there is no absolute requirement

[#49017] Re: suggestions to the Ruby community — <bbense+comp.lang.ruby.Sep.04.02@...> 2002/09/04

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[#48657] ICFP Programming Contest — Alan Chen <alan@...>

http://icfpcontest.cse.ogi.edu/task.html

12 messages 2002/08/30

[#48705] Ruby aesthetics — vegai@...

Hello. I've been checking into python lately quite a lot, and I

192 messages 2002/08/31
[#49010] Re: Ruby aesthetics — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2002/09/04

----- Original Message -----

[#49100] Re: Ruby aesthetics — Paul Prescod <paulp@...> 2002/09/05

On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Hal E. Fulton wrote:

[#49112] Re: Ruby aesthetics — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/05

Hi,

[#49154] Re: Ruby aesthetics — Paul Prescod <paulp@...> 2002/09/05

On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, William Djaja Tjokroaminata wrote:

[#49161] Re: Ruby aesthetics — Christian Szegedy <szegedy@...> 2002/09/05

Paul Prescod wrote:

[#49173] Re: Ruby aesthetics — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/05

Hi,

[#49183] Re: Ruby aesthetics — <paul@...> 2002/09/05

On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, William Djaja Tjokroaminata wrote:

[#49189] Re: Ruby aesthetics — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/05

I think we have communicated very well; I agree with all you said. May I

[#49191] Re: Ruby aesthetics — <paul@...> 2002/09/05

On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, William Djaja Tjokroaminata wrote:

[#49272] Re: Ruby aesthetics — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/06

Hi Matz,

[#49293] Re: Ruby aesthetics — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/09/06

Hi,

[#49312] Re: Ruby aesthetics — <paul@...> 2002/09/06

On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#49321] Re: Ruby aesthetics — dblack@... 2002/09/06

Hello --

Re: [OT] Re: GUI's and the Rouge, Part III (yes, finally) 1/2

From: Massimiliano Mirra <list@...>
Date: 2002-08-03 10:34:57 UTC
List: ruby-talk #46113
On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 04:21:15AM +0900, Tom Sawyer wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 07:16, Massimiliano Mirra wrote:
> > It seems that quite a few of us have been experimenting with interface
> > abstraction by using standard tools only.
> > 
> > I wonder if there is merit in the idea of joining minds and creating a
> > proof-of-concept application that uses the best of what we've learnt.
> > 
> > In the worst case a fine tuned skeleton could be produced that people
> > would be able to use as a guideline; in the best case a design pattern
> > could be isolated and then required at will, like observer.rb or
> > forwardable.rb.
> 
> 
> Massimiliano (and all other interested parties):
> 
> i believe you have a plan. and i would love to host that endeavor.
> 
> i'm curious to know how you see the design pattern being different from
> the model-view-controller pattern. a higher level meta-pattern on top of
> mvc? i guess we'll find out.

I don't know if it is a design pattern in the Gang Of Four sense.  It
might be a program design pattern, rather than an architecture design
pattern.  Or a coding pattern, e.g. distributing code among modules so
as to be able to play with clever conditional require's.  In any case
I think there is a working pattern somewhere, even if its pieces are
spread among the works of different authors.

(``Pattern'' might not be the most correct term here, but you get the
sense.)

As to the reason of actualizing it with standard tools: given that
we're able to write program logic that follows a convention when it
comes to GUI (a little meta language, one could say), not only it
becomes simple for us to provide it with a GUI based on our favourite
toolkit, it also becomes simple for others to provide it with a GUI
based on *their* favourite toolkit.

I believe that, if a program is worthy, and ground is well prepared,
open development will do its job and people will happily design
interfaces for it.  The key point is that it has to be made very easy,
almost routine work for them, for this to work: if yesterday I built a
GTK interface for your program, and today I'm building a GTK interface
for another one, the tasks will have to look extremely similar, and in
neither case I will have to investigate the internals of the program.

There are examples of this around.  Take `licq': it's got GTK, QT,
KDE, ncurses and maybe more interfaces.  It probably can't be done
easily with complicate programs, but that's fine -- I doubt one would
take the time to build an alternate interface for Illustrator, however
well paved the road may be. ;-)

> anyway, i think your idea is a must-do.
> 
> which brings me to GUtopIa. i want to let you know that the GUI project
> i've been talking about has gotten under way. go to 
> 
>   http://www.rubygui.org.
> 
> i've also set up a savannah account to host the development cvs and
> mailing lists, etc. i set up two mailing lists which should be ready
> later this evening: gutopia-dev and gutopia-user. we could use one or
> the other to host this initial disscusion (preferably gutopia-dev, but
> participants would have to sign up as gutopia developers.) 

I'll sign on the usr list for now. :-) 

> (NOTE: I HAVE TO THANK CURT HIBBS FOR ALL THIS! THANKS CURT!)

Yeas, he's patron to rpkg as well.  Can't thank him enough. :-)

> you can see an example of my initial work on the site. and there is
> source available at the savannah site. i feel i have done pretty well at
> refining the gui "code pattern" but i am still not 100% satisfied with
> it on a few points. and who knows perhaps there's a much better way too!
> (Be aware that while i have laid-out a fairly good appraoch of beginning
> with a back-end GUI that is already available for Ruby and migrating to
> a more capable one, all is still very much subject to change and open to
> suggestion.)
> 
> i would think the best approach to this discussion would be to announce
> the upcoming discussion with a prior call for submissions of related
> materials --simple "white-papers" and/or code samples to act as a bases
> for the discussion.

Hmmm, theoretically fine, but ask around and I bet ten people out of
ten will tell you they can spare one hour to write code but not one to
explain it.  Given the expressive nature of Ruby code (and a bit of
attention on our side not to obfuscate it ;-)) I think we could just
throw our code in with some comment and let a bigger picture emerge.

> if this sounds good to you let me know, (and all other interested
> parties) and i will proceed.

Brainstormers wanted. :-)


Massimiliano

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