[#41531] Re: possible bug: stack dump with <<-String, #{...} and large loops — "Christoph" <chr_news@...>
From: ts decoux@moulon.inra.fr
[#41532] Ruby-GNOME 0.28 is out! — Masao Mutoh <mutoh@...>
Hi, folks.
[#41546] \G in regexps not documented? — "Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk" <qrczak@...>
Where is an *up to date* documentation of Ruby regexps?
[#41547] Reading binary files (or strings) — Han Holl <han.holl@...>
[#41581] Ruby 1.6.7 dieing of segfault — Dossy <dossy@...>
I've got something that's fairly reproducible in 1.6.7. Is
Hi,
On 2002.06.02, Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu.nokada@softhome.net> wrote:
On 2002.06.02, Dossy <dossy@panoptic.com> wrote:
Hi,
On 2002.06.02, Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu.nokada@softhome.net> wrote:
[#41627] $a = 5; $b = 'a'; print $$b — Philip Mak <pmak@...>
Hello,
[#41637] Does assert() exist? — Philip Mak <pmak@...>
I saw a bunch of Ruby examples on the web that involve the assert()
On Sunday 02 June 2002 06:54 pm, Philip Mak wrote:
[#41647] Question: Recommended Postgresql interface? — Jeremy Henty <jeremy@...>
What is the recommended way to interface Ruby to Postgresql? I have
[#41660] dynamic attr_accessor?? — Markus Jais <mjais@...>
hello
[#41677] ruby equivalent for perl multi-index sort? — Rick Bradley <rick@...>
Coming from a perl background I have a lot of programs which do
[#41693] ruby-dev summary #17208-17251 — TAKAHASHI Masayoshi <maki@...>
Hello,
[#41704] Word for Windows Ruby Trick — <james@...>
This may be of limited value to many folks here, but I thought it kinda
[#41712] Annoucement: Interactive Learning Environment + Ocelot Servlet Engine — "Brad Cox, Ph.D." <bcox@...>
Interactive Learning Environment (ILE) Announcement
* Brad Cox, Ph.D. (bcox@virtualschool.edu) wrote:
[#41746] Rexml / OpenSSL on Windows — "Stephan J. Schmidt" <stephan.schmidt@...>
Someone I know has a Ruby problem:
[#41755] HTML Parser suggestions wanted — Ned Konz <ned@...>
I've written an HTML parser that builds trees from HTML source. After
[#41763] When should actually freeze work ? — "Philip Mateescu" <philip@...>
Hi,
[#41793] Calling a (any) superclass method when already have one by that name — "Philip Mateescu" <philip@...>
Sorry if I did change the thread, but I seem to have at least clarified the
[#41809] eval and local variable — "Park Heesob" <phasis@...>
[#41819] mod_ruby and module space — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...>
It seems that if I execute a script using mod_ruby, I cannot call
[#41842] How might "Apocalypse 5" affect Ruby? — Todd Holloway <todd@...>
[#41867] Pascal-like 'with' statement? — Philip Mak <pmak@...>
Is there something like Pascal's with statement? I'd like to turn this
Philip Mak wrote:
[#41883] DRb, Rinda and Jini — Aidan <ahumphreys@...>
I've been experimenting with DRb and Rinda recently - a beautifully
[#41899] unsubscribe — Bhagavatheeswaran Mahadevan <BMahadevan@...>
unsubscribe
[#41900] Array.foldr (Array.reduce) — "Kontra, Gergely" <kgergely@...>
Hi!
[#41907] Hashes sensitive to simularity — Thomas Hurst <tom.hurst@...>
I'm after something like nilsimsa[1]; a hashing algorithm that allow you to
[#41919] 1-second events — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...>
I need to create an event that occurs exactly once per second.
Hi,
On 2002.06.07, nobu.nokada@softhome.net <nobu.nokada@softhome.net> wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 09:25:48AM +0900, Nobuyoshi Nakada wrote:
[#41928] Getting a reference to the object which called a method — Mathew Johnston <mjohnston@...>
Is it possible to get the same effect as the following, but without
On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 03:44:19AM +0900, Mathew Johnston wrote:
On Thu, 2002-06-06 at 14:25, Paul Brannan wrote:
[#41935] Returning an instance from a different class from new — jos@... (Jos Backus)
[For some reason I am no longer subscribed to ruby-talk and I don't get any
[#41943] InternetSeer Alert — InternetSeer <ndsub.7g7j5YxDpdLv76OyKAWPKWD7671EP.e3@...>
[#41967] ANNOUNCE: PageTemplate 0.3.1 — Brian Wisti <brian@...>
Hi All,
Brian Wisti wrote:
[#41969] subclassing SWIG generated c++ class — Martin Man <Martin.Man@...>
hi all,
[#42004] SWIG & the New Allocation Framework (Ruby 1.7) — Lyle Johnson <lyle@...>
All,
[#42011] Is mod_ruby safe to use? — Philip Mak <pmak@...>
Is it safe to use mod_ruby yet? I have to develop a small
[#42018] precedence of =, and, or — "Volkmann, Mark" <Mark.Volkmann@...>
I'm fairly new to Ruby.
[#42040] GTK w/ ruby — Cameron Matheson <cmatheson3@...>
Hey,
[#42051] RE: Need a ruby book — "Victor Manuel Reyes Viloria" <vmreyes@...>
[#42073] Hash#===() — Han Holl <han@...>
[#42086] ANN: REXML 2.3.5 && 2.2.3 — Sean Russell <ser@...>
<posted & mailed>
<posted & mailed>
> Well, XMLSchema may be troublesome to interpret, but it isn't
james@rubyxml.com wrote:
> My big question is: do I invest the time and effort in providing XML
james@rubyxml.com wrote:
> Hmm. Ok. What I meant was that I sort of feel obligated to provide a
Sean Russell wrote:
>
james@rubyxml.com wrote:
[#42093] RE: Park and Sean....Possible memory bug in Ruby? I'm stumped! — Kurt Euler <keuler@...>
Thanks a lot, Park and Sean.
On Sunday 09 June 2002 02:07 pm, Kurt Euler wrote:
[#42112] Getting method! for free from method — Philip Mak <pmak@...>
Let's say I have:
[#42131] RubyCOM, ActiveScriptRuby, etc. — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
I ask this periodically in hopes that
[#42147] multiple instances of Ruby interpreter in my C++ code? — Thorsten Scheuermann <TScheuermann@...>
Hi,
[#42152] RE: multiple instances of Ruby interpreter in my C++ code? — Thorsten Scheuermann <TScheuermann@...>
Well, the threading in the app is cooperative, not preemptive. So if there
To be honest, I've never really seen the point of cooperative
[#42170] def += — "Kontra, Gergely" <kgergely@...>
Hi!
[#42192] ruby-dev summary 17252-17356 — Minero Aoki <aamine@...>
Hi all,
Minero Aoki wrote:
----- Original Message -----
Hi,
Not wanting to flog a dead horse, but I just wonder what the final word
Hi,
matz@ruby-lang.org (Yukihiro Matsumoto) writes:
Hi,
matz@ruby-lang.org (Yukihiro Matsumoto) writes:
Hi,
matz@ruby-lang.org (Yukihiro Matsumoto) wrote in message news:<1023845919.929356.32025.nullmailer@picachu.netlab.jp>...
"Hal E. Fulton" wrote:
----- Original Message -----
"Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@hypermetrics.com> writes:
> a = 1
Hi,
On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:20:03 +0900
----- Original Message -----
[#42202] ruby-qt3 proposal (c++ based extensions) — Martin Man <Martin.Man@...>
hi all,
[#42207] rubycookbook — Bil Kleb <W.L.Kleb@...>
Any news on http://www.rubycookbook.org/ availability?
[#42227] pack()ing Bignums — Dan Debertin <airboss@...>
I have a 128-bit Bignum that I need to pack into a binary string in
[#42241] Modules and version determination — "Mr. Sunblade" <djberge@...>
Hi all,
On 2002.06.12, Mr. Sunblade <djberge@qwest.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 04:45:37AM +0900, Dossy wrote:
[#42252] How to reset a variable to the value in another variable? — Kurt Euler <keuler@...>
All-
[#42261] Ruby for jMax — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...>
On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
[#42269] threads question (newbie) — "Shashank Date" <ADATE@...>
This is using Ruby 1.6.7 on Windows (mswin32).
[#42329] eruby — Manfred Hansen <manfred@...>
Hello
[#42347] procs and blocks — Evan Martin <martine@...>
When a need to use a callback function, it seem there are two ways to go
[#42386] ANN: Cellular Automata — Peter Hickman <peter@...>
Just released a little class / application to play with 1D cellular
[#42402] RE: Modules and version determination — "Berger, Daniel" <djberge@...>
> -----Original Message-----
On 2002.06.13, Berger, Daniel <djberge@qwest.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 10:53:16PM +0900, Dossy wrote:
[#42410] Relational operators redux (returning RHS) — Austin Ziegler <austin@...>
I have only recently started looking over the Ruby language, being
On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 11:13:03PM +0900, Austin Ziegler wrote:
[#42422] RE: Modules and version determination — "Berger, Daniel" <djberge@...>
[#42435] Embedding irb — Gilles Filippini <gilles.filippini@...>
Hi,
[#42440] UNIX pipes — "David Douthitt" <DDouthitt@...>
I thought I could do:
[#42455] Application server & web developement enviroment — "Radu M. Obad磚 <whizkid@...>
Howdy,
On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:55:31 +0900, Radu M. Obadwrote:
Oops! Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@pinkjuice.com> was seen spray-painting on a wall:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 23:53:28 +0900, Christopher Browne wrote:
On Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 12:46:58AM +0900, Austin Ziegler wrote:
[#42472] ANN: Programmierung in Ruby — "Juergen Katins" <katins.juergen@...>
Programmierung in Ruby Online gibt es jetzt mit ausfrlichem
[#42504] Are Unix tools just slow? — Chris Gehlker <gehlker@...>
Awhile back I was asking for help with a unixy way to search the mounted
* Chris Gehlker (gehlker@fastq.com) [020614 17:18]:
On 6/14/02 3:34 PM, "Rick Bradley" <rick@rickbradley.com> wrote:
unix newby failing miserably here:
In <EDF421EF-8011-11D6-BEEF-000393722276@bigpond.com> ccos wrote:
yeah it is darwin, and the compiler is cc,
ok i still get errors, see below.
On Saturday 15 June 2002 12:18 am, ccos wrote:
hey there,
Rick Bradley wrote:
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw when "Daniel P. Zepeda" <daniel@zepeda-zone.net> would write:
On 6/17/02 11:36 AM, "Christopher Browne" <cbbrowne@acm.org> wrote:
In an attempt to throw the authorities off his trail, Chris Gehlker <gehlker@fastq.com> transmitted:
On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 07:14:38 +0900
On Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 01:26:11PM +0900, Daniel P. Zepeda wrote:
On 6/16/02 11:22 AM, "Kyle Rawlins" <rawlins@cs.umass.edu> wrote:
Chris Gehlker <gehlker@fastq.com> writes:
On 6/17/02 11:35 AM, "Josh Huber" <huber@alum.wpi.edu> wrote:
[#42507] mpg123 — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>
Hi,
Thomas A. Reilly wrote:
[#42529] Q: mod_ruby for Apache2.0 — kwatch@... (kwatch)
Hi,
[#42546] File.new('foo', 0600 , 'wb') — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>
Hi,
Dossy wrote:
[#42561] system & changes to ENV on Windows — Johan Holmberg <holmberg@...>
Hello,
[#42591] Kernel#select questions — Wilkes Joiner <boognish23@...>
I'm trying to track down a bug where Kernel#select is returning [[],[],[]] as
Hi,
> I don't know. Maybe a bug. Show me more information, please.
Hi,
On 2002.06.17, nobu.nokada@softhome.net <nobu.nokada@softhome.net> wrote:
> I think I was wrong in [ruby-talk:40015] -- although, I can't
[#42617] eRuby on Mac OS X — Jim Menard <jimm@...>
I've searched ruby-talk for this topic, and the only messages I found show
[moving to modruby list]
On 6/18/02 11:03 PM, "Sean Chittenden" <sean@ruby-lang.org> wrote:
[#42635] problem with inner classes — Francis Hwang <sera@...>
I'm having a problem defining inner classes. The outer class is a
[#42671] Currently in rpkg repository — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...>
cliff - Command Line Interface Fast Framework
On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 07:05:48PM +0900, Massimiliano Mirra wrote:
On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 08:12:04PM +0900, patrik wrote:
On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 08:37:00PM +0900, Massimiliano Mirra wrote:
[#42674] REXML in C — "Radu M. Obad磚 <whizkid@...>
Hi,
[#42700] in-place editing — Ian Macdonald <ian@...>
I'm trying to figure out why the following code chunk fails to edit my
Hi,
[#42713] Japanese Ruby books — Jack Herrington <jack_d_herrington@...>
I've bought all of the English language Ruby books in print at the moment.
[#42760] releasing system? — Evan Martin <martine@...>
I think I'm ready for an initial release of Ruby/Evas.
[#42771] Why is I/O slow? — Clifford Heath <cjh_nospam@...>
Ok, folk, time to try again. It's nothing to do with SHA-1.
Yohanes Santoso wrote:
Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
> With respect, this doesn't sound like a smart idea. The glibc folk have
On Thursday 20 June 2002 10:10 pm, Mike Campbell wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:16:24 +0900, Albert Wagner wrote:
On Fri 21 Jun 2002 at 12:31:30 +0900, Austin Ziegler wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:49:01 +0900, Ian Macdonald wrote:
On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 10:15:22PM +0900, Austin Ziegler wrote:
On Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 02:33:16AM +0900, Massimiliano Mirra muttered...
On Thursday 20 June 2002 10:31 pm, Austin Ziegler wrote:
Ian Macdonald wrote:
> Ian Macdonald wrote:
Hi,
On Fri 21 Jun 2002 at 17:13:40 +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
[#42772] can super call a method multiple classes higher in the hierarchy? — Ian Macdonald <ian@...>
Hi,
[#42812] Re: Are Unix tools just slow? — "David Douthitt" <DDouthitt@...>
RE: sudo find / > /dev/null takes 61 seconds...
[#42816] ANNOUNCE: FXRuby-1.0.11 Now Available — "Lyle Johnson" <jlj@...>
I am pleased to announce the latest release of FXRuby, the Ruby language
[#42842] THIS IS REAL — "DR. KAYODE" <dr_kayode@...>
FROM THE DESK OF: KAYODE A.ADEFUWORA
[#42877] OT: Linux zealotry etc. — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
Guys, this is the nearest thing I've seen
[#42884] parser for LISP — mxiao <mxiao@...>
I am new to ruby, and now I will write a parser for LISP-like language in
[#42893] Mixin using append_features and class<<self do not work together — Philipp Meier <meier@...>
Hello to all,
[#42904] a Perl script's interaction with Ruby's system call — Bil Kleb <W.L.Kleb@...>
I'm trying to invoke a perl script (epstopdf) with Ruby's system command
[#42912] Looking for the Ruby way for the following — Bil Kleb <W.L.Kleb@...>
Currently I am using the following rather ugly bit of Ruby code
[#42928] GOOD DEAL — "DR. ISA BELLO" <dr_isa@...>
FROM:DR ISA BELLO
Dossy wrote:
On 2002.06.23, yet another bill smith <bigbill.smith@verizon.net> wrote:
[#42932] What do you think of this idiom? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
I was writing a little script which prompted
[#42933] Vim syntax file maintenance — Doug Kearns <djkea2@...>
Hello all,
[#42944] RE: detecting a socket dropping in multi-threaded app — "Firestone, Mark - Technical Support" <mark.firestone@...>
How about this? My @who data structure is shared with a mutex between the
[#42963] Vim syntax file - new location — Doug Kearns <djkea2@...>
Hello all,
[#42968] rapt update failure — Urban Hafner <ruby-lists@...>
Hello,
[#42982] No exceptions from String#to_i — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
I've been bitten by this before... maybe
>>>>> "H" == Hal E Fulton <hal9000@hypermetrics.com> writes:
Hi,
On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 12:27:03AM +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
[#43032] rm -rf — Bil Kleb <W.L.Kleb@...>
How do I do the equivalent of a Unix `rm -rf directory` command?
[#43040] ruby cookbook — Yohanes Santoso <ruby-talk@...>
Any update on the availability of the site? I miss it a lot.
[#43047] Andy Roonie meets Perl vs. Ruby... (I couldn't resist) — Sean Chittenden <sean@...>
> > If you're not _really_ object oriented programming, perl's OO
[#43054] RDE0.9.6.0 released — sakazuki <QZS01353@...>
Hi.
[#43070] []<< — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>
here's something i thought was interesting:
[#43074] Andy Roonie is perhaps excessively optimistic — Benjamin Peterson <bjsp123@...>
[#43085] Ruby books -- Which one for a true beginner? — Michael Vondung <mvondung@...>
It's been about ten years since I spent any time programming, and even
[#43099] Gvim interface to the ruby debugger? — "Gray, Jeff" <jeff.gray@...>
I've been contemplating hacking together some sort of Gvim-based interface
> I've been contemplating hacking together some sort of Gvim-based interface
[#43122] Re: help (ruby-talk ML) — Benjamin Peterson <bjsp123@...>
Benjamin Peterson <bjsp123@yahoo.com> writes:
Yes, I would gladly volunteer considerable effort to this end. I have
Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
[#43147] Ruby on Mac OS X — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>
Hi,
Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@pinkjuice.com> writes:
A friend of mine has started building his own blogging software, called
On 6/28/02 12:41 AM, "Tobias Reif" <tobiasreif@pinkjuice.com> wrote:
[#43156] Negation of regular expression — Yasuo Saito <y_saito@...10.freecom.ne.jp>
Hi.
[#43174] eruby SAFE question — Dylan Northrup <docx@...>
I'm trying to implement a replacement for the standard apache file listings
Dave Thomas wrote:
Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@pinkjuice.com> writes:
>
Tobias Reif wrote
On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Juergen Katins wrote:
> From: David Alan Black [mailto:dblack@candle.superlink.net]
Hi --
Hi all,
[#43188] xmlrpc problems — jonas.b@... (Jonas Bengtsson)
Hi!
On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 08:47:16AM +0900, Jonas Bengtsson wrote:
Hello Michael,
[#43205] protocol.rb error — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>
Hi,
[#43216] select loop question — Joseph McDonald <joe@...>
[#43242] method objects? — Tyler Spivey <tspivey8@...>
is it possible to write a function liike:
(ot) linux zealotry annoys me
On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 23:15:55 +0900, Albert Wagner wrote: > On Thursday 20 June 2002 10:31 pm, Austin Ziegler wrote: >> On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:16:24 +0900, Albert Wagner wrote: > <sniip> >>> Isn't it sad that when good stuff is invented on Linux that we >>> rush to make it available on windows so that windows users never >>> have any motivation to leave that crap behind? >> No. >> >> 1. The very first thing that I learned when doing computing for a >> living is "use the best tool for the job." > The only argument that you offer below for windows as "the best > tool" is a "shallow" learning curve and a simple installation. Not true. A shallow learning curve is only part of it, but it is a big part of it for 95%+ of users out there. My girlfriend is rather computer literate, but *still* doesn't use nearly half the number of power shortcuts available in Windows. She'd be completely *lost* in a user-unfriendly environment like Linux. There are, of course, other reasons that Windows is (at times) the best tool. I've addressed some of them in other posts. >> Despite the vitriol from some folks, > The vitriol is aimed as MS as a predatory corporation that has > wreaked havoc on competitors with monopolistic business practices. The vitriol gets in the way of getting the job done, and it turns off people who might otherwise be interested in what you have to say. >> there are times when Windows is not only the best tool for the >> job, but it's the ONLY tool for the job. > It is the only tool for the job when the decisions as to what to > purchase are made by technically illiterate suits. This is patently false. Earlier, I gave the example of ERStudio for ER diagramming. This is one of many tools which is available for Windows ONLY, and there's no equivalent X-Windows tool available. This tool is the best tool available for this practice, and I say this with a bit of experience -- because I've tried all of the other ones out there, and I ended up recommending this one for its comprehensiveness. As I've said before, I eat regex for breakfast -- I'm not a "technically illiterate suit". >> 2. Windows stability has been increasing at least as fast as >> Linux usability over the last several years, if not faster. > Comparing stability of one with usability of another is comparing > apples and oranges. Besides, I see no increase in windows > stability, simply change for the sake of selling the same > functionality over and over again. Certainly, it's comparing apples and oranges. But I have greater uptime and stability from my Windows XP laptop than I do from my Linux desktop/server. The security on both is about the same, because I have taken the time to make sure that I use tools which reduce my exposure to Windows security holes, and I have neither the time nor the expertise to lock up my Linux box yet make it usable in the way that I need it usable. >> Linux (and most other unices) still suffers from the problem that >> there is no single unifying UI guideline set, so that while >> Windows programs look and feel -- and perform -- pretty much the >> same all over, every Linux GUI program is different. > No options vs. several options is hardly an advantage, except to > the very lazy. This is a foolish statement, as it isn't "no options," which you could find out if you did a minimum of research instead of relying upon what appears to be foolish zealotry. I've addressed this point >> The learning curve for Windows programs is shallower because of >> the consistency. > Pick a single linux GUI and you also have consistency. Again, > lack of options is hardly an advantage. Again, this is a false statement. I can have a plain X-Windows program running and a KDE program running, and the likelihood that they share even the same keystrokes for copy/paste (simple stuff!) is almost nil. It MIGHT be the same for GNOME and KDE apps, but there are still differences. >> 3. Windows isn't the only platform out there which doesn't use >> glibc by default. IMO, Matz is absolutely correct to emphasize >> portability over 'The Linux Way'. > And IMO, this is wrong. And IMO, you're a fool for this attitude. Linux isn't even a particularly good example of a powerful operating system -- it's just common in the same way that Windows is common. (I'd say that Windows::MacOS and Linux::*BSD are about the same..., and I'm not just referring to Darwin.) >> 4. I use both Linux and Windows boxen (and far prefer the Windows >> because there are problems with the Linux install that I have >> neither the inclination, the time or the expertise to solve), > Yes. If you are used to windows installations, the great range of > options available in any flavor of *nix is a daunting task. Poor, foolish zealot. I've been dealing with real unix for a LONG time. But the reality is that I have a job to get done, and Linux box administration is NOT part of that job. It is, every time I have to deal with it, a great annoyance. (For example, all of a sudden last week, my ftp server decided to stop accepting connections. I made no configuration changes to anything -- I played with the various settings in xinetd, etc. all to no benefit. Fortunately, I still have Samba running -- even though I have to manually start it every time, despite my configuration files telling Samba to start it every time I reboot.) Don't get me wrong: I get annoyed when I have to do anything to stabilise or configure Windows, too. Those aren't my job -- I'm a software designer and developer. I don't have *time* or *desire* to be a systems administrator. It gets in the way of doing my real job. Is that too hard for you to understand? >> but for very different purposes. The fact that I can develop and >> test on Windows (my primary terminal/front-end OS) and then test >> and deploy on Linux with Perl, Python, or Ruby is of great >> benefit. > But without the technical expertise to even install a *nix system, > how can your "portable" application really be optimal for a target > *nix system. And you are obviously not talking about GUI > applications, but text only. Actually, no, I'm not. I'm talking primarily about web-based applications. Similarly, though, I can write a Ruby/tk program and it will work Everywhere. It won't necessarily be pretty, and a lot of the usability problems I have with Unix-based graphics toolkits all around will still be there, but I can easily do cross-platform anything. >> Again, the right tool for the job -- not Linux Everywhere. > Bah! Bah, indeed. Zealots annoy me. -austin -- Austin Ziegler, austin@halostatue.ca on 2002.06.21 at 11.39.50