[#397093] Using binding + set_trace_func to capture execution state — Reginald Tan <lists@...>

Hi guys, I'm interested in building a program that will display the

18 messages 2012/07/03
[#397097] Re: Using binding + set_trace_func to capture execution state — Peter Zotov <whitequark@...> 2012/07/03

Reginald Tan писал 03.07.2012 05:11:

[#397115] Copying Files — "Alex C." <lists@...>

Hi,

17 messages 2012/07/03

[#397165] Green threads in 1.9.* ? — rex goxman <lists@...>

I am new to Ruby. I am somewhat surprised that I was not able to find

56 messages 2012/07/04
[#397224] Re: Green threads in 1.9.* ? — rex goxman <lists@...> 2012/07/05

<<There are definitely many reasons to prefer native threads over green

[#397227] Re: Green threads in 1.9.* ? — Tony Arcieri <tony.arcieri@...> 2012/07/05

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 6:38 AM, rex goxman <lists@ruby-forum.com> wrote:

[#397232] Re: Green threads in 1.9.* ? — rex goxman <lists@...> 2012/07/05

Tony Arcieri wrote in post #1067551:

[#397234] Re: Green threads in 1.9.* ? — Tony Arcieri <tony.arcieri@...> 2012/07/05

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:26 AM, rex goxman <lists@ruby-forum.com> wrote:

[#397239] Re: Green threads in 1.9.* ? — rex goxman <lists@...> 2012/07/05

Tony Arcieri wrote in post #1067563:

[#397251] Re: Green threads in 1.9.* ? — Tony Arcieri <tony.arcieri@...> 2012/07/06

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:31 PM, rex goxman <lists@ruby-forum.com> wrote:

[#397253] Re: Green threads in 1.9.* ? — rex goxman <lists@...> 2012/07/06

Tony Arcieri wrote in post #1067609:

[#397256] Re: Green threads in 1.9.* ? — Tony Arcieri <tony.arcieri@...> 2012/07/06

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 8:24 PM, rex goxman <lists@ruby-forum.com> wrote:

[#397260] Re: Green threads in 1.9.* ? — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...> 2012/07/06

[#397267] Re: Green threads in 1.9.* ? — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2012/07/06

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@zenspider.com> wrote:

[#397269] Re: Green threads in 1.9.* ? — rex goxman <lists@...> 2012/07/06

Robert Klemme wrote in post #1067663:

[#397185] Insert letters of the alphabet between the original letters of a string — Joao Silva <lists@...>

Hi All.

10 messages 2012/07/04

[#397198] the best way to match these domains. — Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@...>

thanks in advance i need a bit help to break the ice that my head is in.

18 messages 2012/07/05
[#397202] Re: the best way to match these domains. — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2012/07/05

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 4:13 AM, Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@ngtech.co.il> wrote:

[#397245] Re: the best way to match these domains. — Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@...> 2012/07/05

On 7/5/2012 10:03 AM, Robert Klemme wrote:

[#397258] Re: the best way to match these domains. — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2012/07/06

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@ngtech.co.il> wrote:

[#397316] Re: the best way to match these domains. — Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@...> 2012/07/07

On 7/6/2012 9:21 AM, Robert Klemme wrote:

[#397415] Re: the best way to match these domains. — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2012/07/10

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@ngtech.co.il> wrote:

[#397464] Re: the best way to match these domains. — Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer@...> 2012/07/11

On 7/10/2012 12:08 PM, Robert Klemme wrote:

[#397416] learning by doing part 2 - tc game — "Sebastjan H." <lists@...>

Hi,

53 messages 2012/07/10
[#397418] Re: learning by doing part 2 - tc game — "Jan E." <lists@...> 2012/07/10

Hi,

[#397419] Re: learning by doing part 2 - tc game — "Sebastjan H." <lists@...> 2012/07/10

Yes, that would be ok, but that means that the player has to create all

[#397421] Re: learning by doing part 2 - tc game — Jes俍 Gabriel y Gal疣 <jgabrielygalan@...> 2012/07/10

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Sebastjan H. <lists@ruby-forum.com> wrote:

[#397423] Re: learning by doing part 2 - tc game — "Jan E." <lists@...> 2012/07/10

"Jes炭s Gabriel y Gal叩n" <jgabrielygalan@gmail.com> wrote in post

[#397424] Re: learning by doing part 2 - tc game — "Sebastjan H." <lists@...> 2012/07/10

Jan E. wrote in post #1068109:

[#397426] Re: learning by doing part 2 - tc game — "Jan E." <lists@...> 2012/07/10

Sebastjan H. wrote in post #1068110:

[#397428] Re: learning by doing part 2 - tc game — "Sebastjan H." <lists@...> 2012/07/10

Jan E. wrote in post #1068114:

[#397429] Re: learning by doing part 2 - tc game — "Jan E." <lists@...> 2012/07/10

Sebastjan H. wrote in post #1068117:

[#397430] Re: learning by doing part 2 - tc game — "Sebastjan H." <lists@...> 2012/07/10

Jan E. wrote in post #1068119:

[#397435] Re: learning by doing part 2 - tc game — Jes俍 Gabriel y Gal疣 <jgabrielygalan@...> 2012/07/10

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Sebastjan H. <lists@ruby-forum.com> wrote:

[#397608] undefined method error — deal bitte <lists@...>

rid.database_columns[session_db_array[0]]

17 messages 2012/07/17

[#397685] odd "system" command behaviour with CUI and GUI — Joel Pearson <lists@...>

Windows 7 64-bit, Ruby 1.9.3.

12 messages 2012/07/20

[#397738] Help a blind man getting ruby to work — "Morten T." <lists@...>

Hallo,

14 messages 2012/07/23

[#397806] Help with exercise from Chris Pine's Ruby Book: Sort without using .sort — "James H." <lists@...>

Hello all, I'm a n00b that's just getting into programming.

16 messages 2012/07/25

[#397817] modular exponentation with multiple exponents? — roob noob <lists@...>

I need to do a^b^c^d^e mod f

11 messages 2012/07/25

[#397903] How to test whether a session variable has a particular key — Doug Jolley <lists@...>

Although a session variable behaves like a hash for purposes of setting

11 messages 2012/07/30

Re: Green threads in 1.9.* ?

From: Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net>
Date: 2012-07-06 21:25:33 UTC
List: ruby-talk #397304
On Jul 5, 2012, at 14:22, rex goxman wrote:
> Eric Hodel wrote in post #1067586:
>> Ruby schedules use of the GVL for threads created by the ruby VM.
>> 
>> A Ruby thread may release the GVL to run non-ruby code.

For these answers I am ignoring Windows.  You can probably treat "POSIX thread" as the equivalent userland threads on Windows, but don't take my word for it.

> What is a ruby thread?

A thread spawned from ruby.  Non-ruby threads can be spawned by other libraries.  For example, if you've embedded ruby in a game engine the game engine can have many of its own threads which ask ruby threads to do work.

> A green thread?

Any program that manages thread creation and scheduling for itself without use of the OS uses green threads.

> A kernel thread?

The most literal definition is a thread that runs in, and only in, the kernel.  You can ignore them for most purposes since you don't have any direct control over when or how many are created by your process (this is true for all programs, not just ruby programs).  I think that most frequently, kernel threads are mapped 1:1 to userland threads, but this may vary between different OSs.

At one point FreeBSD had multiple pthread implementations you could link in your program.  One had 1:1 mapping between kernel threads and userland threads, one had 1:N mapping (one kernel thread per process) and one M:N mapping (multiple userland threads per kernel thread).

Userland threads are what userland programs run.  The POSIX thread API (pthread) handles userland threads and takes care of spawning the threads, allocating stack space for them, etc.  Depending upon the mapping to kernel threads they may be scheduled from userland or from the kernel.  (I think, most frequently, from the kernel.)

> A green thread mapped to a kernel thread?

Since a green thread is scheduled from within a program the kernel has no knowledge of it so they won't be mapped.

> The depiction at the link somewhere above seems to suggest it is a green 
> thread which is mapped one-to-one to a kernel thread.

Since pthreads typically make some communication with the kernel it isn't correct to call them green threads.  It's possible to have a pthread library that makes no communication with the kernel (a library similar to FreeBSD's 1:N thread library could do this), but in practice I doubt this happens.  It's difficult for a thread library to schedule a process' threads on multiple CPUs without some communication with the kernel.

> Some here suggest there is no such thing, just kernel threads.  I will assume it is a kernel thread unless you say otherwise.

I think what they describe as "kernel threads" I call "userland threads".  The OS often has its own threads to perform OS tasks such as userland scheduling, handling interrupts, polling for IO from hardware, etc.  I don't wish to confuse the two.

Digging in further to thread.c, the GVL is not directly part of userland thread scheduling or ruby thread scheduling, it's just a lock around the ruby VM that allows a thread to use the ruby VM.  (If a thread calls methods in the Ruby VM without the GVL it will likely cause corruption and crashes.)  Ruby uses pthread API to switch threads so it's up to the OS which threads get run.

Ruby will interrupt threads that have run for "too long" and allow the OS to schedule another thread.  This is all performed through pthread mutexes and condition variables.  (Perhaps I'm missing it, but I'm no longer seeing a list of threads waiting to run as I recall 1.8 having which is a requirement for a green thread implementation.)


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