[#35036] Intentional Programming — "John" <nojgoalbyspam@...>

Hi all

17 messages 2002/03/01

[#35112] RDoc question — Michael Davis <mdavis@...>

I have a question about RDoc. I would like to reference an external

17 messages 2002/03/02

[#35162] string to array and back — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

I am needing to convert strings to arrays of bytes and back. I see pack and

19 messages 2002/03/03

[#35364] file reading impossibly slow? — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

So I'm doing this benchmark to work with my set program. Part of the problem is

18 messages 2002/03/07

[#35429] Interesting link on static/dynamic typing... — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

...relevant to Ruby compared to other languages discussion:

25 messages 2002/03/08
[#35441] Re: Interesting link on static/dynamic typing... — Paul Brannan <paul@...> 2002/03/08

On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 05:34:43PM +0900, Robert Feldt wrote:

[#35460] Spam, ruby-talk, and me — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

14 messages 2002/03/08

[#35537] Confusion — David Corbin <dcorbin@...>

The following is from my debugging through xmlc.rb

16 messages 2002/03/10

[#35579] RE: WIN32OLE and LDAP — "Morris, Chris" <chris.morris@...>

> The new version 0.4.2 of Win32OLE has WIN32OLE.bind method.

16 messages 2002/03/11

[#35652] Method type 'abstract' — Peter Hickman <peter@...>

The one thing I miss in Ruby is the abstract class method to go along

15 messages 2002/03/12

[#35653] Some potential RCRs — "Bob Alexander" <bobalex@...>

Here are a few thing I am considering submitting as RCRs. I'm looking for comments to help decide whether to make them official, so please let know what you think is good and bad about these...

50 messages 2002/03/12
[#35672] Re: Some potential RCRs — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/03/12

Hi,

[#35683] Re: Some potential RCRs — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...> 2002/03/12

On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:58:01AM +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#35697] Re: Some potential RCRs — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/03/13

Hello --

[#35694] rpkg 0.3 — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...>

14 messages 2002/03/13
[#35699] RE: [ANN] rpkg 0.3 — <james@...> 2002/03/13

>

[#35787] testunit - setup -> set_up ? — "Morris, Chris" <chris.morris@...>

I'm just starting to use testunit instead of rubyunit ... I noticed with an

21 messages 2002/03/13
[#35793] RE: testunit - setup -> set_up ? — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2002/03/13

Morris, Chris [mailto:chris.morris@snelling.com] wrote:

[#35796] Re: testunit - setup -> set_up ? — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/03/13

"Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@talbott.ws> writes:

[#35797] RE: testunit - setup -> set_up ? — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2002/03/13

dave@thomases.com [mailto:dave@thomases.com] wrote:

[#35898] camelCase and underscore_style — "Morris, Chris" <chris.morris@...>

First, a question. If underscore_style is the Ruby norm for methods and the

20 messages 2002/03/15
[#35924] Re: camelCase and underscore_style — "Guy N. Hurst" <gnhurst@...> 2002/03/15

Phil Tomson wrote:

[#35930] RE: camelCase and underscore_style — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2002/03/16

Guy N. Hurst [mailto:gnhurst@hurstlinks.com] wrote:

[#35989] ANN: Locana GUI and GUI Builder version 0.81 — Michael Davis <mdavis@...>

I am pleased to announce release 0.81 of Locana. Locana is a GUI

16 messages 2002/03/16

[#35992] XPath — Michael Schuerig <schuerig@...>

27 messages 2002/03/16

[#36034] Mini Rant: Indenting — Thomas Hurst <tom.hurst@...>

Why is it that I see *so* much code like:

14 messages 2002/03/17

[#36049] web templating for static sites? — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...>

I'm using the Template Toolkit for generating static web sites and I

42 messages 2002/03/17
[#36426] web standars (was: web templating for static sites?) — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2002/03/20

Albert Wagner wrote:

[#36052] Xml Serialization for Ruby — "Chris Morris" <chrismo@...>

=Xml Serialization for Ruby

20 messages 2002/03/17
[#36059] Re: [ANN] Xml Serialization for Ruby — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...> 2002/03/17

On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 05:20:56AM +0900, Chris Morris wrote:

[#36067] eval/Module question — David Corbin <dcorbin@...>

If I have a String src that is similar to the following:

13 messages 2002/03/18

[#36157] Development of Windows version of Ruby — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

Now that we've dumped the cygwin requirement for the Windows version of

63 messages 2002/03/18
[#36330] Re: Development of Windows version of Ruby — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...> 2002/03/19

On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:05:27 GMT, "Albert L. Wagner" <alwagner@uark.edu> wrote:

[#36431] Re: Development of Windows version of Ruby — Dennis Newbold <dennisn@...> 2002/03/20

[#36458] Windows version of Ruby (proposals) — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson) 2002/03/21

Dennis Newbold <dennisn@pe.net> wrote in message news:<Pine.GSO.3.96.1020320113603.22242B-100000@shell2>...

[#36482] RE: Windows version of Ruby (proposals) — "Christian Boos" <cboos@...> 2002/03/21

Some thoughts on the 2 first Windows issues, plus a 4th one...

[#36496] Re: Windows version of Ruby (proposals) — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/03/21

"Christian Boos" <cboos@bct-technology.com> writes:

[#36510] Re: Windows version of Ruby (proposals) — nobu.nokada@... 2002/03/21

Hi,

[#36514] Re: Windows version of Ruby (proposals) — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/03/21

nobu.nokada@softhome.net writes:

[#36518] Re: Windows version of Ruby (proposals) — nobu.nokada@... 2002/03/21

Hi,

[#36211] dots in Dir.entries — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

Hi,

22 messages 2002/03/19

[#36231] style choice — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

A style question for the community ... which of the following do you prefer, and

18 messages 2002/03/19

[#36345] ANN: REXML 2.0 — Sean Russell <ser@...>

I have a feeling there will only be three major revisions of REXML. Version

19 messages 2002/03/20

[#36610] Re: Windows version of Ruby (proposals) — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:11:55 GMT, Dave Thomas <Dave@PragmaticProgrammer.com> wrote:

16 messages 2002/03/22

[#36645] Ruby for Mac OS 10.1 — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi:

28 messages 2002/03/23

[#36768] Re: Difference between 'do' and 'begin' — Clemens Hintze <c.hintze@...>

In <slrna9ulvi.f2h.mwg@fluffy.isd.dp.ua> Wladimir Mutel <mwg@fluffy.isd.dp.ua> writes:

23 messages 2002/03/26
[#36783] RE: Difference between 'do' and 'begin' — <james@...> 2002/03/26

[#36792] Re: Difference between 'do' and 'begin' — Kent Dahl <kentda@...> 2002/03/26

james@rubyxml.com wrote:

[#36808] Error calling Tk in a loop — <james@...>

I'm trying to write some code that pops up a Tk window when for certain

15 messages 2002/03/26

[#36841] RE: Windows version of Ruby (proposals) — "Andres Hidalgo" <sol123@...>

I believe that Ruby has a place in windows (Office), I happened to have

14 messages 2002/03/27

[#36863] Hash.new(Hash.new) doesn't use Hash.new as default value — "Jonas Delfs" <jonas@...>

Hi -

18 messages 2002/03/27

[#37080] Why isn't Math object-oriented? — Bil Kleb <W.L.Kleb@...>

So I'm reading along in the Pixaxe book (yet again), and I am told

15 messages 2002/03/30

[#37121] String#begins?(s) — timsuth@... (Tim Sutherland)

class String

24 messages 2002/03/31

RE: Windows version of Ruby (proposals)

From: "Christian Boos" <cboos@...>
Date: 2002-03-21 10:24:20 UTC
List: ruby-talk #36482
Some thoughts on the 2 first Windows issues, plus a 4th one...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Tomson [mailto:ptkwt@aracnet.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 5:05 AM
> To: ruby-talk ML
> Subject: Windows version of Ruby (proposals)
> 
> 
> Dennis Newbold <dennisn@pe.net> wrote in message 
> news:<Pine.GSO.3.96.1020320113603.22242B-100000@shell2>...
> > On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Ron Jeffries wrote:
> > 
> > <--- snip, snip, snip --->
> > > 
...
> 
> Anyway, Apparently popen works on 1.6.6 so that leaves only fork not
> working (is there anything else?).

Ok, popen works, but not Open3::popen3.
This means it is NOT possible on windows to differentiate between
stderr and stdout of a sub-process. When you create one using 
`` (or the syntactic equivalent %x{}), you get in a string the 
_mixed_ output from both stderr and stdout.
I would love to be wrong, but so far I don't see any workaround.

> So, I see three main issues here: fork, pathnames and Rubicon (as in
> why doesn't Rubicon work under Windows?).
> 
> 
> I. fork
> 
> There are two main camps here:
> 1) fork should 'work' on both platforms (it should be emulated on
> Windows)
> 2) fork doesn't need to work on Windows since the OS doesn't have fork
> (after all, you wouldn't expect Win32API stuff to work on UNIX -
> that's a good argument actually)
> 
> 
> And there were several proposed solutions that fell into three
> catagories:
> 1) do nothing (goes with #2 above) Windows programmers don't expect to
> have fork
> - a compelling argument, except that some folks are writing scripts
> that are to run on both Unix and Windows (I was doing this about a
> year ago).
> 2) emulate unix's fork on Windows when Ruby's fork is called (either
> by calling CreateThread or CreateProcess) (and it was pointed out that
> ActiveState Perl's
> implementation of fork under Windows is a bit iffy)
> 3) Make it so that no one expects fork to work on Windows by putting
> fork in some other namespace like: POSIX::fork
> (did I miss any?)

I would vote for that. Not only it would make the issue clearer,
but it would allow for a smoother transition path once emulation
solutions are found, or even allow for alternative workarounds.

> 
> 4) My proposed (near-term) solution: Documentation.  Put something in
> the FAQ about fork not working under Windows and offer some
> alternatives.  If the script is to work cross-platform, then something
> like this could be proposed:
> 
> #don't expect this code to work ;-)
> if RUBY_PLATFORM =~ /win/i
>    p= Win32::Process.new(...blah...) #I have a module like this, it's
> on RAA
>    #then you can do things with p: p.kill, p.id, etc
> 
>    #or maybe something with Win32API(CreateProcess...)
> elif RUBY_PLATFORM =~ /ix/i
>    fork...
> end
> 
> (long-term) if the 'fork should work on all platforms via emulation if
> necessary' camp is still not happy, then perhaps we should have
> someone investigate how it was done in ActiveState Perl.
> 

> II. Pathnames (someone brought this up somewhere in the thread)
> 
> The old backslash vs forward slash problem + Windows has drive names
> which UNIX does not have.
> 
> 1. Is this a real problem?
> 2. proposed solutions?
> 

I don't thing it's a problem. My experience is that on Windows
you can safely mix '/' and '\' in ruby pathnames.

-- Christian

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