[#35036] Intentional Programming — "John" <nojgoalbyspam@...>

Hi all

17 messages 2002/03/01

[#35112] RDoc question — Michael Davis <mdavis@...>

I have a question about RDoc. I would like to reference an external

17 messages 2002/03/02

[#35162] string to array and back — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

I am needing to convert strings to arrays of bytes and back. I see pack and

19 messages 2002/03/03

[#35364] file reading impossibly slow? — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

So I'm doing this benchmark to work with my set program. Part of the problem is

18 messages 2002/03/07

[#35429] Interesting link on static/dynamic typing... — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

...relevant to Ruby compared to other languages discussion:

25 messages 2002/03/08
[#35441] Re: Interesting link on static/dynamic typing... — Paul Brannan <paul@...> 2002/03/08

On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 05:34:43PM +0900, Robert Feldt wrote:

[#35460] Spam, ruby-talk, and me — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

14 messages 2002/03/08

[#35537] Confusion — David Corbin <dcorbin@...>

The following is from my debugging through xmlc.rb

16 messages 2002/03/10

[#35579] RE: WIN32OLE and LDAP — "Morris, Chris" <chris.morris@...>

> The new version 0.4.2 of Win32OLE has WIN32OLE.bind method.

16 messages 2002/03/11

[#35652] Method type 'abstract' — Peter Hickman <peter@...>

The one thing I miss in Ruby is the abstract class method to go along

15 messages 2002/03/12

[#35653] Some potential RCRs — "Bob Alexander" <bobalex@...>

Here are a few thing I am considering submitting as RCRs. I'm looking for comments to help decide whether to make them official, so please let know what you think is good and bad about these...

50 messages 2002/03/12
[#35672] Re: Some potential RCRs — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/03/12

Hi,

[#35683] Re: Some potential RCRs — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...> 2002/03/12

On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:58:01AM +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#35697] Re: Some potential RCRs — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/03/13

Hello --

[#35694] rpkg 0.3 — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...>

14 messages 2002/03/13
[#35699] RE: [ANN] rpkg 0.3 — <james@...> 2002/03/13

>

[#35787] testunit - setup -> set_up ? — "Morris, Chris" <chris.morris@...>

I'm just starting to use testunit instead of rubyunit ... I noticed with an

21 messages 2002/03/13
[#35793] RE: testunit - setup -> set_up ? — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2002/03/13

Morris, Chris [mailto:chris.morris@snelling.com] wrote:

[#35796] Re: testunit - setup -> set_up ? — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/03/13

"Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@talbott.ws> writes:

[#35797] RE: testunit - setup -> set_up ? — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2002/03/13

dave@thomases.com [mailto:dave@thomases.com] wrote:

[#35898] camelCase and underscore_style — "Morris, Chris" <chris.morris@...>

First, a question. If underscore_style is the Ruby norm for methods and the

20 messages 2002/03/15
[#35924] Re: camelCase and underscore_style — "Guy N. Hurst" <gnhurst@...> 2002/03/15

Phil Tomson wrote:

[#35930] RE: camelCase and underscore_style — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2002/03/16

Guy N. Hurst [mailto:gnhurst@hurstlinks.com] wrote:

[#35989] ANN: Locana GUI and GUI Builder version 0.81 — Michael Davis <mdavis@...>

I am pleased to announce release 0.81 of Locana. Locana is a GUI

16 messages 2002/03/16

[#35992] XPath — Michael Schuerig <schuerig@...>

27 messages 2002/03/16

[#36034] Mini Rant: Indenting — Thomas Hurst <tom.hurst@...>

Why is it that I see *so* much code like:

14 messages 2002/03/17

[#36049] web templating for static sites? — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...>

I'm using the Template Toolkit for generating static web sites and I

42 messages 2002/03/17
[#36426] web standars (was: web templating for static sites?) — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2002/03/20

Albert Wagner wrote:

[#36052] Xml Serialization for Ruby — "Chris Morris" <chrismo@...>

=Xml Serialization for Ruby

20 messages 2002/03/17
[#36059] Re: [ANN] Xml Serialization for Ruby — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...> 2002/03/17

On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 05:20:56AM +0900, Chris Morris wrote:

[#36067] eval/Module question — David Corbin <dcorbin@...>

If I have a String src that is similar to the following:

13 messages 2002/03/18

[#36157] Development of Windows version of Ruby — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

Now that we've dumped the cygwin requirement for the Windows version of

63 messages 2002/03/18
[#36330] Re: Development of Windows version of Ruby — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...> 2002/03/19

On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:05:27 GMT, "Albert L. Wagner" <alwagner@uark.edu> wrote:

[#36431] Re: Development of Windows version of Ruby — Dennis Newbold <dennisn@...> 2002/03/20

[#36458] Windows version of Ruby (proposals) — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson) 2002/03/21

Dennis Newbold <dennisn@pe.net> wrote in message news:<Pine.GSO.3.96.1020320113603.22242B-100000@shell2>...

[#36482] RE: Windows version of Ruby (proposals) — "Christian Boos" <cboos@...> 2002/03/21

Some thoughts on the 2 first Windows issues, plus a 4th one...

[#36496] Re: Windows version of Ruby (proposals) — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/03/21

"Christian Boos" <cboos@bct-technology.com> writes:

[#36510] Re: Windows version of Ruby (proposals) — nobu.nokada@... 2002/03/21

Hi,

[#36514] Re: Windows version of Ruby (proposals) — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/03/21

nobu.nokada@softhome.net writes:

[#36518] Re: Windows version of Ruby (proposals) — nobu.nokada@... 2002/03/21

Hi,

[#36211] dots in Dir.entries — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

Hi,

22 messages 2002/03/19

[#36231] style choice — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

A style question for the community ... which of the following do you prefer, and

18 messages 2002/03/19

[#36345] ANN: REXML 2.0 — Sean Russell <ser@...>

I have a feeling there will only be three major revisions of REXML. Version

19 messages 2002/03/20

[#36610] Re: Windows version of Ruby (proposals) — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:11:55 GMT, Dave Thomas <Dave@PragmaticProgrammer.com> wrote:

16 messages 2002/03/22

[#36645] Ruby for Mac OS 10.1 — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi:

28 messages 2002/03/23

[#36768] Re: Difference between 'do' and 'begin' — Clemens Hintze <c.hintze@...>

In <slrna9ulvi.f2h.mwg@fluffy.isd.dp.ua> Wladimir Mutel <mwg@fluffy.isd.dp.ua> writes:

23 messages 2002/03/26
[#36783] RE: Difference between 'do' and 'begin' — <james@...> 2002/03/26

[#36792] Re: Difference between 'do' and 'begin' — Kent Dahl <kentda@...> 2002/03/26

james@rubyxml.com wrote:

[#36808] Error calling Tk in a loop — <james@...>

I'm trying to write some code that pops up a Tk window when for certain

15 messages 2002/03/26

[#36841] RE: Windows version of Ruby (proposals) — "Andres Hidalgo" <sol123@...>

I believe that Ruby has a place in windows (Office), I happened to have

14 messages 2002/03/27

[#36863] Hash.new(Hash.new) doesn't use Hash.new as default value — "Jonas Delfs" <jonas@...>

Hi -

18 messages 2002/03/27

[#37080] Why isn't Math object-oriented? — Bil Kleb <W.L.Kleb@...>

So I'm reading along in the Pixaxe book (yet again), and I am told

15 messages 2002/03/30

[#37121] String#begins?(s) — timsuth@... (Tim Sutherland)

class String

24 messages 2002/03/31

RE: testunit - setup -> set_up ?

From: "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...>
Date: 2002-03-16 00:54:06 UTC
List: ruby-talk #35936
Ron Jeffries [mailto:ronjeffries@REMOVEacm.org] wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 02:10:16 GMT, "Nathaniel Talbott" 
> <nathaniel@talbott.ws> wrote:
> 
> >> In message "RE: testunit - setup -> set_up ?"
> >>     on 02/03/14, "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@talbott.ws> writes:
> >> 
> >> |Ah, but JUnit uses setUp... two words. So which is the "xUnit
way?"
> >> 
> >> I just miss "setup" just for its conciseness.
> >
> >Woah... pressure comes to bear ;-)
> 
> Doesn't sUnit use setup?

I have no earthly idea if it does now, but looking at Kent's original
write-up (http://www.xprogramming.com/testfram.htm), it originally used
setUp.


> >To avoid more floundering, let me bring up a couple of other name 
> >changes I'm pondering:
> >
> >#assert_raises -> #assert_raised
> >#assert_nothing_raised -> #assert_not_raised
> >#assert_throws -> #assert_thrown
> >#assert_nothing_thrown -> #assert_not_thrown
> 
> in many cases I might just allow either, but that's a style 
> that some disagree with.

I would be one of them, at least at this time and in this place.


> assert_raises seems right to me because the next thing is the 
> name of the exception.

Interesting... this for me touches on the whole #assert_equal vs.
#assert_equals thing, and has to do with how we read code. In Smalltalk,
I would say,

	assert: aBlock raises: anExceptionList

At least, if I wrote Smalltalk, I think that's what I'd say. However, in
Ruby, all the arguments are at the end:

	assert_raised(*args) {}

So for me, the sentence in Ruby reads more like, "Assert that these
exceptions are thrown by this block: exceptions, block". Does anyone
else read code like this? Perhaps the different sentence perception has
to do with your Smalltalk background and my Java one? Am I stuck on an
issue that doesn't really matter?

I'm decided on #assert_equal. I'm still not sure about #assert_raised.
I'm glad to be convinced one way or the other.


> assert_nothing_raised seems right because the next thing is 
> /not/ the name of an exception.

False. Exceptions can be specified as arguments to the method, and if
they are, only those exceptions are rescued. Does that change your mind?


> Ditto the throwns.

I wonder if the behavior and naming of the assertions for exceptions and
signals should be symmetrical. Currently #assert_nothing_thrown does not
allow the specification of specific signals to be caught in the way
#assert_nothing_raised does for exceptions. If it did, I'd definitely
keep the names symmetrical. If it stays the same, I'll probably break
the naming symmetry as a small mnemonic of the behavioral difference.


> >I'll keep thinking about #setup vs. #set_up, and get back to ya'll.
> 
> Get it right, Nathaniel, this one is for the species!

I've been through enough iterations of it to hopefully be getting close
:-)


Nathaniel

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