[#147004] How and where Fixnum are created — "Eustaquio Rangel de Oliveira Jr." <eustaquiorangel@...>

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10 messages 2005/07/01

[#147009] no clue — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...>

I thought for all of five seconds for a good subject line for this

36 messages 2005/07/01
[#147028] Re: no clue — Daniel Brockman <daniel@...> 2005/07/02

Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@gmail.com> writes:

[#151840] Re: no clue — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...> 2005/08/12

On 7/1/05, Daniel Brockman <daniel@brockman.se> wrote:

[#151998] Re: no clue — Simon Krer <SimonKroeger@...> 2005/08/12

[#152051] Re: no clue — Simon Krer <SimonKroeger@...> 2005/08/13

Hi Joe,

[#152078] Re: no clue — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...> 2005/08/13

On 8/13/05, Simon Krer <SimonKroeger@gmx.de> wrote:

[#152089] Re: no clue — Simon Krer <SimonKroeger@...> 2005/08/13

[#152093] Re: no clue — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...> 2005/08/14

On 8/13/05, Simon Krer <SimonKroeger@gmx.de> wrote:

[#147044] Loading a file without cluttering the global namespace — Benjamin Hepp <benjamin-hepp@...>

Hello,

11 messages 2005/07/02

[#147056] class variable leading a double life — "Amarison" <amarison@...>

Can someone please explain why the @var variable leads a double life? One

20 messages 2005/07/02

[#147153] Ruby under Cygwin problems — JZ <usenet@...>

Whatever Ruby module I want to install under Cygwin I always get the same

30 messages 2005/07/04
[#147236] Re: Ruby under Cygwin problems — "karlin.fox@..." <karlin.fox@...> 2005/07/05

> No this is not the problem, it's just one more of this quick and dirty hacks (that i don't like in ruby).

[#147239] Re: Ruby under Cygwin problems — "Ryan Leavengood" <mrcode@...> 2005/07/05

karlin.fox@gmail.com said:

[#147280] Extract/Parse String? — tuyet.ctn@...

How do I extract "treeframe1120266500902" from this String class

12 messages 2005/07/06

[#147300] Inheriting Array and slice() behaviour — Sylvain Joyeux <sylvain.joyeux@...>

I have a class inheriting Array, and I expected slice() and []

43 messages 2005/07/06
[#147327] Re: Inheriting Array and slice() behaviour — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/07/06

Hi,

[#147348] Re: Inheriting Array and slice() behaviour — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2005/07/06

William Morgan <wmorgan-ruby-talk@masanjin.net> wrote:

[#147437] Re: Inheriting Array and slice() behaviour — William Morgan <wmorgan-ruby-talk@...> 2005/07/07

Excerpts from Robert Klemme's mail of 6 Jul 2005 (EDT):

[#147443] Re: Inheriting Array and slice() behaviour — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...> 2005/07/07

On Fri, 8 Jul 2005, William Morgan wrote:

[#147465] Re: Inheriting Array and slice() behaviour — William Morgan <wmorgan-ruby-talk@...> 2005/07/07

Excerpts from Ara.T.Howard's mail of 7 Jul 2005 (EDT):

[#147483] Re: Inheriting Array and slice() behaviour — Pit Capitain <pit@...> 2005/07/07

William Morgan schrieb:

[#147355] Major web host supports Rails — bertrandmuscle@...

One of the biggest web hosts on the internet (Dreamhost) now supports

32 messages 2005/07/06
[#147761] Re: Major web host supports Rails — Dennis Roberts <denrober@...> 2005/07/11

Want to support Ruby? Use Textdrive (http://www.textdrive.com/).

[#147421] Ruby as mathematical language — "none" <webb.sprague@...>

Hi Ruby world.

27 messages 2005/07/07

[#147504] ruby-1.8.2: test.rb: Seg Fault in test_check "exception" — me2faster@...

I reduced the sample/test.rb to just the test_check "exception"

12 messages 2005/07/07

[#147506] Ruby in XML. — John Carter <john.carter@...>

I have just stuck this on..

16 messages 2005/07/08

[#147542] Re: accessing index inside map — "Pe, Botp" <botp@...>

nobuyoshi nakada [mailto:nobuyoshi.nakada@ge.com] wrote:

26 messages 2005/07/08
[#147548] Re: accessing index inside map — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2005/07/08

Pe, Botp wrote:

[#147651] Strings vs arrays — Luke Worth <luke@...>

Hi.

25 messages 2005/07/09
[#147670] Re: Strings vs arrays — Daniel Brockman <daniel@...> 2005/07/09

Luke Worth <luke@worth.id.au> writes:

[#147711] Programming the Lego robots using Ruby technology. — Victor Reyes <victor.reyes@...>

Do anyone knows if there is a Ruby API to program the Lego robots?

8 messages 2005/07/10
[#147712] Re: Programming the Lego robots using Ruby technology. — "daz" <dooby@...10.karoo.co.uk> 2005/07/11

[#147720] Re: accessing index inside map — "Pe, Botp" <botp@...>

Yukihiro Matsumoto [mailto:matz@ruby-lang.org] wrote:

28 messages 2005/07/11
[#147722] Re: accessing index inside map — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/07/11

Hi,

[#147790] class_attr_accessor — "Jeffrey Moss" <jeff@...>

I was playing around with class variables and class instance variables

16 messages 2005/07/11

[#147895] Updating GUIs — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...>

Hi,

22 messages 2005/07/12

[#147952] Initialization via a Module — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...>

I have a module that needs to set a few instance variables on the

17 messages 2005/07/13

[#148046] Ruby has ruined my C++ — John Carter <john.carter@...>

These are exciting days in the world of C++. Every month the C/C++ User

52 messages 2005/07/13
[#148811] Re: ] Re: Ruby has ruined my Java (was Re: Ruby has ruined my C++) — Kero <kero@...> 2005/07/19

> Ha! You've reproduced my code almost exactly :)

[#148152] Re: Ruby has ruined my Java (was Re: Ruby has ruined my C++) — Kero <kero@...> 2005/07/14

> Two!

[#148497] Re: ] Re: Ruby has ruined my Java (was Re: Ruby has ruined my C++) — tony summerfelt <snowzone5@...> 2005/07/17

> After 4 years, Ruby still hasn't ruined itself.

[#148630] Re: ] Re: Ruby has ruined my Java (was Re: Ruby has ruined my C++) — mathew <meta@...> 2005/07/18

tony summerfelt wrote:

[#148709] Re: ] Re: Ruby has ruined my Java (was Re: Ruby has ruined my C++) — Daniel Amelang <daniel.amelang@...> 2005/07/18

Let's say that I have this...friend...um yea. And this 'friend' was

[#148711] Re: ] Re: Ruby has ruined my Java (was Re: Ruby has ruined my C++) — Jacob Fugal <lukfugl@...> 2005/07/18

On 7/18/05, Daniel Amelang <daniel.amelang@gmail.com> wrote:

[#148067] Ruby momentum? — Preston Crawford <me@...>

I'm an outsider to the Ruby community. I've used it a time or two,

62 messages 2005/07/14
[#148248] Re: Ruby momentum? — "gregarican" <greg.kujawa@...> 2005/07/15

Zach Dennis wrote:

[#148303] Re: Ruby momentum? — Devin Mullins <twifkak@...> 2005/07/15

Where I work (and I imagine most places), they don't bring developers on

[#148583] Re: Ruby momentum? — tsuraan <tsuraan@...> 2005/07/18

> *Actually when I've mentioned Ruby at work it's inspired more often a

[#148594] Re: Ruby momentum? — Kirk Haines <khaines@...> 2005/07/18

On Monday 18 July 2005 7:41 am, tsuraan wrote:

[#148104] difference? — G畸or SEBESTYノN <segabor@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2005/07/14

[#148229] Sampling (#39) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

97 messages 2005/07/15
[#148233] Re: [QUIZ] Sampling (#39) — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/07/15

On Jul 15, 2005, at 8:00 AM, Ruby Quiz wrote:

[#148269] Re: [QUIZ] Sampling (#39) — Cassio Pennachin <pennachin@...> 2005/07/15

On 7/15/05, James Edward Gray II <james@grayproductions.net> wrote:

[#148273] Re: [QUIZ] Sampling (#39) — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2005/07/15

* Cassio Pennachin <pennachin@gmail.com> [2005-07-16 03:04:12 +0900]:

[#148275] Re: [QUIZ] Sampling (#39) — Cassio Pennachin <pennachin@...> 2005/07/15

> Shouldn't those number be more like

[#148276] Re: [QUIZ] Sampling (#39) — Belorion <belorion@...> 2005/07/15

On 7/15/05, Cassio Pennachin <pennachin@gmail.com> wrote:

[#148284] Re: [QUIZ] Sampling (#39) — David Brady <ruby_talk@...> 2005/07/15

Belorion wrote:

[#148317] What does this construct mean? — "Casper" <caspertonka@...>

1. class MyController < ActionController::Base

22 messages 2005/07/16
[#148651] Re: What does this construct mean? — "Casper" <caspertonka@...> 2005/07/18

Devin Mullins wrote:

[#148656] Re: What does this construct mean? — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...> 2005/07/18

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Casper wrote:

[#148321] Cascading <=> comparisons — Garance A Drosehn <drosihn@...>

Let's say I have a hash with some values in it, and I want to

15 messages 2005/07/16

[#148338] delaying string evaluation — Navindra Umanee <navindra@...>

Hi,

20 messages 2005/07/16
[#148339] Re: delaying string evaluation — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2005/07/16

On 16 Jul 2005, at 01:23, Navindra Umanee wrote:

[#148361] Re: delaying string evaluation — Navindra Umanee <navindra@...> 2005/07/16

Eric Hodel <drbrain@segment7.net> wrote:

[#148341] Just seen on c.l.py — Stephen Kellett <snail@...>

Hi Folks,

23 messages 2005/07/16
[#148418] Re: Just seen on c.l.py — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson) 2005/07/16

In article <05th9VCgqN2CFwW4@objmedia.demon.co.uk>,

[#148357] Ruby VS PHP — Tristan Knowles <cydonia_1@...>

I was chatting with a PHP dev friend tonight, he is a

38 messages 2005/07/16
[#148396] Re: Ruby VS PHP — schlu-do@... (Dominik Schlter) 2005/07/16

Hi,

[#148384] `not' in parameter lists — Daniel Brockman <daniel@...>

I just noticed that all of the following give syntax errors:

18 messages 2005/07/16

[#148402] Nonblocking Sockets — James Edward Gray II <james@...>

Is this the "standard" way to make a nonblocking Socket in Ruby?

16 messages 2005/07/16

[#148542] Refactoring Tycho API - Opinions wanted — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

I've been revisiting my favorite Ruby project in the past

24 messages 2005/07/18

[#148689] Re: `not' in parameter lists — twifkak@...

On Jul 17, 2005, at 2:34 PM, Daniel Brockman wrote:

13 messages 2005/07/18

[#148721] Ruby/Rails as a starter language? — "SomeDude" <somedude@...>

Hello,

108 messages 2005/07/18
[#148736] Re: Ruby/Rails as a starter language? — vanek@... 2005/07/19

If you don't need to get involved in web programming right away, gawk

[#148743] Re: Ruby/Rails as a starter language? — James Britt <james_b@...> 2005/07/19

vanek@acd.net wrote:

[#148751] Re: Ruby/Rails as a starter language? — Navindra Umanee <navindra@...> 2005/07/19

James Britt <james_b@neurogami.com> wrote:

[#148752] Re: Ruby/Rails as a starter language? — Stefan Lang <langstefan@...> 2005/07/19

On Tuesday 19 July 2005 09:41, Navindra Umanee wrote:

[#148783] Re: Ruby/Rails as a starter language? — Mark Volkmann <r.mark.volkmann@...> 2005/07/19

On 7/19/05, Stefan Lang <langstefan@gmx.at> wrote:

[#148870] Re: Ruby/Rails as a starter language? — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2005/07/19

Mark Volkmann wrote:

[#148873] Re: Ruby/Rails as a starter language? — Daniel Amelang <daniel.amelang@...> 2005/07/19

> In Java, classes aren't objects.

[#148875] Re: Ruby/Rails as a starter language? — Devin Mullins <twifkak@...> 2005/07/19

Daniel Amelang wrote:

[#148880] Re: Ruby/Rails as a starter language? — "Adam P. Jenkins" <thorin@...> 2005/07/20

Devin Mullins wrote:

[#148961] Re: [WAY OT] Re: Ruby/Rails as a starter language? — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson) 2005/07/20

In article <Pine.LNX.4.62.0507192121430.10750@harp.ngdc.noaa.gov>,

[#148969] Re: [WAY OT] Re: Ruby/Rails as a starter language? — Rick Nooner <rick@...> 2005/07/20

On Thu, Jul 21, 2005 at 02:05:56AM +0900, Phil Tomson wrote:

[#148972] Re: [WAY OT] Re: Ruby/Rails as a starter language? — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2005/07/20

* Rick Nooner <rick@nooner.net> [2005-07-21 02:59:56 +0900]:

[#148975] Re: [WAY OT] Re: Ruby/Rails as a starter language? — Rick Nooner <rick@...> 2005/07/20

On Thu, Jul 21, 2005 at 03:21:08AM +0900, Jim Freeze wrote:

[#148988] Re: [WAY OT] Re: Ruby/Rails as a starter language? — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2005/07/20

* Rick Nooner <rick@nooner.net> [2005-07-21 03:57:35 +0900]:

[#148993] Re: [WAY OT] Re: Ruby/Rails as a starter language? — Rick Nooner <rick@...> 2005/07/20

On Thu, Jul 21, 2005 at 04:47:41AM +0900, Jim Freeze wrote:

[#149008] Ruby/OCaml Was Re: [WAY OT] Re: Ruby/Rails as a starter language? — Rick Nooner <rick@...> 2005/07/20

> I was just at the OCaml site,

[#148730] Memory profiling? — Scott Ellsworth <scott@...>

Hi, all.

12 messages 2005/07/19

[#148763] nil for unassigned keys — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

Sometimes I find myself writing :key=>true,

17 messages 2005/07/19

[#149035] C extension makes things slower — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)

In general I've always seen things speed up when I've writtten C

16 messages 2005/07/21

[#149059] Segmentation fault with a threads/forks script — Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2005/07/21
[#149069] Re: [BUG] Segmentation fault with a threads/forks script — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...> 2005/07/21

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:

[#149153] FreeRIDE: Where does the output go? — "basi" <basi_lio@...>

I'm trying out FreeRIDE and I have a truly embarrassing question.

15 messages 2005/07/22

[#149184] Drawing Trees (#40) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

18 messages 2005/07/22

[#149198] Abstract class or interface? — EdUarDo <eduardo.yanezNOSPAM@...>

Hi all again :),

13 messages 2005/07/22

[#149286] Local Instance Methods — "Trans" <transfire@...>

Hi All--

25 messages 2005/07/23

[#149302] Any interest in writing gui library on top of qtruby? — meruby@...

wax is a gui written on top of wxPython. It allows seamless integration

19 messages 2005/07/23

[#149322] Lisp on Lines — "luke" <lduncalfe@...>

Read on the comp.lang.lisp group that someone is developing 'Lisp on Lines'

44 messages 2005/07/24
[#149343] Re: Lisp on Lines — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...> 2005/07/24

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005, luke wrote:

[#149366] Re: Lisp on Lines — "William James" <w_a_x_man@...> 2005/07/24

How much less powerful than Lisp is Ruby?

[#149397] Nitro + Og 0.21.0 Compiler, Og custom joins, Og dynamic injection, new builder — "George Moschovitis" <george.moschovitis@...>

Hello everyone,

13 messages 2005/07/25

[#149481] What's so special about operators, built-in classes and modules? — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

I just noticed this little quirk. Is there something

30 messages 2005/07/25

[#149490] Trying to understand symbols — "Sam Kong" <sam.s.kong@...>

Hello!

18 messages 2005/07/25

[#149515] Factory Patterns in Ruby — Lyndon Samson <lyndon.samson@...>

Factory is a very common pattern in the java world, in some places

17 messages 2005/07/26

[#149555] — "Adrian Petru Dimulescu" <adrian.dimulescu@...>

Hello,

13 messages 2005/07/26

[#149616] Next Official Ruby Version

Is it somehow planned to build a new official Ruby before Ruby 2, that means a version called 1.10 or so?

26 messages 2005/07/26

[#149654] (X)Emacs users going to RubyCOnf — Forrest Chang <fkc_email-news@...>

Hi All:

14 messages 2005/07/27

[#149720] Re: What's so special about operators, built-in classes and modules? — twifkak@...

>Then you will have complex network of classes instead of simple tree

56 messages 2005/07/27
[#149765] Re: What's so special about operators, built-in classes and modules? — Daniel Brockman <daniel@...> 2005/07/28

gabriele renzi <surrender_it@remove-yahoo.it> writes:

[#149770] Re: What's so special about operators, built-in classes and modules? — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/07/28

Hi,

[#149772] Re: What's so special about operators, built-in classes and modules? — Devin Mullins <twifkak@...> 2005/07/28

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#149773] Re: What's so special about operators, built-in classes and modules? — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/07/28

Hi,

[#149776] Re: What's so special about operators, built-in classes and modules? — Devin Mullins <twifkak@...> 2005/07/28

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#149905] Re: What's so special about operators, built-in classes and modules? — Daniel Brockman <daniel@...> 2005/07/28

Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> writes:

[#149783] Ruby in embedded applications — "treefrog" <stephen.hill@...>

Hi folks,

14 messages 2005/07/28

[#149793] Idea for Ruby 2.0 — Nikolai Weibull <mailing-lists.ruby-talk@...>

Lately I've found myself using pseudo-anonymous variables a lot, e.g.,

24 messages 2005/07/28

[#149801] Combination of two arrays — Claus Spitzer <docboobenstein@...>

Greetings!

18 messages 2005/07/28

[#149876] Linux Journal article on Ruby — pat eyler <pat.eyler@...>

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8356 it's always nice to see another

13 messages 2005/07/28

[#149968] Which Regex-Engine will be used in Ruby 1.8.3 Release?

One short question.

12 messages 2005/07/29

[#149982] Chopping the beginning of a string elegantly — "francisrammeloo@..." <francisrammeloo@...>

Hi all,

13 messages 2005/07/29

[#150133] Ruby-Python; using python from within ruby — "Norjee" <Norjee@...>

At the moment I'm looking at rails, it seems like a great framework.

13 messages 2005/07/30

[#150154] Ruby-Oniguruma interoperability on Named Groups

Let me first explain the reason for and the kind of this message.

10 messages 2005/07/30

[#150205] Yet Another useless Ruby 2 Idea — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...>

Hi gurus and nubys,

69 messages 2005/07/31
[#150680] Re: Yet Another useless Ruby 2 Idea — Daniel Brockman <daniel@...> 2005/08/04

Jeff Wood <jeff.darklight@gmail.com> writes:

[#150684] Re: Yet Another useless Ruby 2 Idea — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/08/04

On 8/3/05, Daniel Brockman <daniel@brockman.se> wrote:

[#150688] Re: Yet Another useless Ruby 2 Idea — Jeff Wood <jeff.darklight@...> 2005/08/04

I'm not saying there are NO features of python that are cool... I like

[#150860] Re: Yet Another useless Ruby 2 Idea — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...> 2005/08/05

Jeff Wood ha scritto:

[#150899] Re: Yet Another useless Ruby 2 Idea — Jacob Fugal <lukfugl@...> 2005/08/05

On 8/5/05, gabriele renzi <surrender_it@remove-yahoo.it> wrote:

[#150910] Re: Yet Another useless Ruby 2 Idea — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...> 2005/08/05

Jacob Fugal ha scritto:

[#151275] Re: Yet Another useless Ruby 2 Idea — mathew <meta@...> 2005/08/08

gabriele renzi wrote:

[#151354] Re: Yet Another useless Ruby 2 Idea — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...> 2005/08/09

mathew ha scritto:

Re: Refactoring Tycho API - Opinions wanted

From: Clifford Heath <no@...>
Date: 2005-07-21 01:30:57 UTC
List: ruby-talk #149019
Hal Fulton wrote:
> In short: Tycho is a tool for managing random information
> in the form of "notes" arranged in a hierarchy of "topics."

Ok Hal, I've had a read of your API. I created an ORM model of it
in fact, using VisioModeler. That's ORM as in Object Role Model.
The reason I've taken an interest in this is because I believe that
such a tool can benefit strongly from an aspect-oriented data model,
more on that later.

> 1. Start with the API, test it heavily, worry about GUI later

Good move not starting on the GUI, but you need to start even further
back, with a conceptual data model. The API is then a simple consequence
of the data model.

>    NOTE: My latest scribblings on the API are really
>    where I'd like feedback at the moment.

You have a few bits of mixed terminology or terms used only once.
For example:
* I assume that "name" and "title" are the same thing?
* You also use the word "key" - again, is this "title" or
   is it a path in the data store?
* What's the significance of the "current" topic - is that just a
   presentation thing or does it affect searching? No other function
   seems to indicate that the current topic is relevant.
* What's the effect of "load"ing a topic of note?

Functionality questions:
* When you change the root topic of an app, what happens to all the
   now unreachable topics and notes? Is the change persistent? Perhaps
   you could replace this problematic operation with a simple "flip
   parent and child" operation?
* It isn't clear whether find_topic searches content or just titles.
* It seems that topics and notes differ only in that notes have content,
   which requires a different presentation, and in whether the metadata
   inherits (BTW, this isn't inheritance I believe, but propagation down
   the tree - is that right?).
   Why bother with the two things - instead you could simply load all
   items having no content as your tree.

Aspect orientation suggestion:
Your model has a number of different kinds of data value associated
with each note or topic. For example, you have info on date/time and
number of times accessed, modified, etc. You have GUI variables. You
have sorting and searching (keywords).

If you regard each item (topic/note) as having values for variables,
you can model the variables as pertaining to a relevant (meta-)topic.
So for example, you could have a Presentation topic, which contains a
Note sub-topic. The variables whose values define the presentation of
a note "belong" to the Note class, but "pertain" to the
Presentation/Note subtopic. I also allow Items to pertain to other
items.

In this way you provide for an arbitrary number of kinds of metadata,
while the model actually has very little actual *meta*data. The only
metadata you need is the "Item" class(es) and the Variable class(es).

Item has a title string, a parent Item, a superclass Item (e.g. Topic,
Note), an Item to which it "pertains" (which will often be its parent),
subitems, optional Variables, and optional values (for its variables
and for inherited ones).

Variable is also an item (each has the same), but its subclasses define
sub-Variables, for example "max-length" for a string, etc.

The API should allow fetching all values (including inherited and
propagated) of an item which *pertain to* the aspect of interest. So
for example the GUI will fetch values of all variables of items which
pertain to the Presentation topic. The searcher will fetch values of
different variables, and the object manager will access and update
values pertaining to access and modification times and counts. You can
also store user information (values for an item, and subitems) into
multiple aspects in the same way. It creates some interesting search
algorithms, but is a very powerful way to separate different kinds of
data and metadata.

Let me know if I haven't explained this adequately.

Clifford Heath.

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