[#150244] Defining regexp's and variables set by them — Garance A Drosehn <drosihn@...>

Sometimes I get in a situation where I have a case statement

13 messages 2005/08/01

[#150361] algorithm help — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

14 messages 2005/08/02

[#150371] Style question: when to use underscores — "francisrammeloo@..." <francisrammeloo@...>

When should you use underscores to

14 messages 2005/08/02

[#150385] different order of parameters... — JZ <usenet@...>

I'm trying to understand how to call methods in Ruby. Is it possible to

13 messages 2005/08/02
[#150387] Re: different order of parameters... — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/02

Hi,

[#150439] enum collection of constant values — Garance A Drosehn <drosihn@...>

I'd like to have a set of constants for a class, where their values

18 messages 2005/08/02

[#150451] setting up ruby on os x 10.2 — Julian Leviston <julian@...>

Hi All!

12 messages 2005/08/02

[#150495] array or with non-array — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

Sometimes wish that [3, 5, 13] | [8] can be written as [3, 5, 13] | 8

30 messages 2005/08/02
[#150502] Re: [RCR] array or with non-array — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...> 2005/08/02

--- Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@gmail.com> wrote:

[#150506] Re: [RCR] array or with non-array — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/02

Hi,

[#150519] Re: [RCR] array or with non-array — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...> 2005/08/03

--- Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:

[#150581] ruby-dev summary 26468-26661 — Takaaki Tateishi <ttate@...>

Here are recent ruby-dev summaries.

52 messages 2005/08/03
[#150710] Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661 — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/08/04

Hi --

[#150715] Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661 — Jamis Buck <jamis@37signals.com> 2005/08/04

On Aug 4, 2005, at 7:31 AM, David A. Black wrote:

[#150717] Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661 — Brian Schrer <ruby.brian@...> 2005/08/04

On 04/08/05, Jamis Buck <jamis@37signals.com> wrote:

[#150740] Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661 — Christian Neukirchen <chneukirchen@...> 2005/08/04

Jamis Buck <jamis@37signals.com> writes:

[#150742] Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661 — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/04

Hi,

[#150608] interesting test tool... looking for opinions. — Jeff Wood <jeff.darklight@...>

There is wonderful java-based testing unit framework called TestNG.

24 messages 2005/08/03
[#150646] Re: interesting test tool... looking for opinions. — "Ryan Leavengood" <mrcode@...> 2005/08/03

Jeff Wood said:

[#150648] Re: interesting test tool... looking for opinions. — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/08/03

On 8/3/05, Ryan Leavengood <mrcode@netrox.net> wrote:

[#150653] Re: interesting test tool... looking for opinions. — Alexandru Popescu <the_mindstorm@...> 2005/08/04

#: Austin Ziegler changed the world a bit at a time by saying on 8/4/2005 1:16 AM :#

[#150659] Re: interesting test tool... looking for opinions. — Jeff Wood <jeff.darklight@...> 2005/08/04

well, first we'll need to get matz input on adding attributes @ the

[#150662] Re: interesting test tool... looking for opinions. — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/08/04

On 8/3/05, Jeff Wood <jeff.darklight@gmail.com> wrote:

[#150666] Re: interesting test tool... looking for opinions. — Jeff Wood <jeff.darklight@...> 2005/08/04

I like your second one better ... my only question would then be your

[#150674] Re: interesting test tool... looking for opinions. — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/08/04

On 8/3/05, Jeff Wood <jeff.darklight@gmail.com> wrote:

[#150709] new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — "Martin Elzen" <martinelzen@...>

>Now ruby(HEAD) accepts the notation '->(...){...}'

155 messages 2005/08/04
[#150767] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Brian Wisti <brian.wisti@...> 2005/08/04

On 8/4/05, Martin Elzen <martinelzen@hotmail.com> wrote:

[#150799] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/04

Hi,

[#150801] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...> 2005/08/04

--- Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:

[#150802] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/04

Hi,

[#150817] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Florian Gro<florgro@...> 2005/08/05

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote about new lambda syntaxes:

[#150822] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/05

Hi,

[#150836] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Florian Groß <florgro@...> 2005/08/05

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#150843] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/05

Hi,

[#150901] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Florian Gro<florgro@...> 2005/08/05

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#150980] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/06

Hi,

[#151018] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Florian Gro<florgro@...> 2005/08/06

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#150872] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...> 2005/08/05

On Aug 4, 2005, at 11:58 PM, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#150978] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/06

Hi,

[#150995] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...> 2005/08/06

On Aug 6, 2005, at 1:57 AM, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#150866] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — "James F. Hranicky" <jfh@...> 2005/08/05

On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:49:28 +0900

[#150870] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Jason Foreman <threeve.org@...> 2005/08/05

I hadn't seen this particular variant posted in this thread yet.

[#150842] Re: new block notation — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...> 2005/08/05

Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@yahoo.com> wrote:

[#150855] Re: new block notation — "Trans" <transfire@...> 2005/08/05

> That's rather drastic. All it needs is a new symbol for literal hashes.

[#151008] Re: new block notation — Daniel Brockman <daniel@...> 2005/08/06

"David A. Black" <dblack@wobblini.net> writes:

[#150881] Please help make CodeZoo truly useful — Curt Hibbs <curt@...>

I just posted this on my blog (http://blog.curthibbs.us/), but I thought

14 messages 2005/08/05

[#151017] OSCON videos, medias — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

My friends, I've got my act together now and a BitTorrent tracker up

18 messages 2005/08/06

[#151080] cartesian product — "walter a kehowski" <wkehowski@...>

Hello,

26 messages 2005/08/07

[#151096] Adding yet another Array.new form — Nikolai Weibull <mailing-lists.ruby-talk@...>

How about adding a fifth way of constructing new arrays?:

18 messages 2005/08/07

[#151147] sending an email with an attachment in ruby — Matthew Margolis <mrmargolis@...>

I would like to send email from a server running FreeBSD(TextDrive) to

12 messages 2005/08/07

[#151162] String#to_ary and Test::Unit — "Trans" <transfire@...>

In Facets I offer:

14 messages 2005/08/08

[#151202] FXRuby or wxRuby? — baalbek <rcs@...>

I know wxWindows for C++ rather well, and have started to use wxRuby.

29 messages 2005/08/08

[#151224] Re: polymorphism and/or named parameters: the ruby way? — "Berger, Daniel" <Daniel.Berger@...>

> -----Original Message-----

14 messages 2005/08/08
[#151235] Re: polymorphism and/or named parameters: the ruby way? — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...> 2005/08/08

--- "Berger, Daniel" <Daniel.Berger@qwest.com> wrote:

[#151377] event driven framework for ruby — snacktime <snacktime@...>

Is there an event driven framework for ruby? Something similar to POE

30 messages 2005/08/09
[#151381] Re: event driven framework for ruby — zedshaw@... 2005/08/09

Actually, yes. I'm working on the Ruby/Event library. It's a C extension

[#151384] Re: event driven framework for ruby — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/08/09

On Aug 9, 2005, at 12:23 PM, zedshaw@zedshaw.com wrote:

[#151389] Re: event driven framework for ruby — Yohanes Santoso <ysantoso-rubytalk@...> 2005/08/09

James Edward Gray II <james@grayproductions.net> writes:

[#151394] Re: event driven framework for ruby — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/08/09

On Aug 9, 2005, at 12:57 PM, Yohanes Santoso wrote:

[#151400] Re: event driven framework for ruby — Yohanes Santoso <ysantoso-rubytalk@...> 2005/08/09

James Edward Gray II <james@grayproductions.net> writes:

[#151405] Re: event driven framework for ruby — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/08/09

On Aug 9, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Yohanes Santoso wrote:

[#151445] Re: event driven framework for ruby — Tanaka Akira <akr@...17n.org> 2005/08/10

In article <84D5D729-3674-4084-A092-2359932E2FF4@grayproductions.net>,

[#151414] NitroHQ been vandalised? — John Carter <john.carter@...>

I went looking for the Nitro homepage to give it a mention to our

13 messages 2005/08/09

[#151441] NEWBIE QUESTION: pattern with nil — "basi" <basi_lio@...>

Hello,

33 messages 2005/08/10
[#151465] Re: NEWBIE QUESTION: pattern with nil — BearItAll <bearitall@...> 2005/08/10

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:44:15 +0900, John Carter wrote:

[#151480] Re: NEWBIE QUESTION: pattern with nil — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/08/10

On 8/10/05, BearItAll <bearitall@rassler.co.uk> wrote:

[#151605] Re: NEWBIE QUESTION: pattern with nil — John Carter <john.carter@...> 2005/08/10

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#151517] Threading on Win32 - at an impasse — Bill Atkins <batkins57@...>

I'm working on a project that would have to run several TCPServer's in

15 messages 2005/08/10
[#151526] Re: Threading on Win32 - at an impasse — david@... 2005/08/10

Cit疸 Bill Atkins <batkins57@gmail.com>:

[#151627] Ruby report generation tool — "Greg Brown" <greg7224@...>

For as long as I can remember the end of the summer meant slaving over

20 messages 2005/08/11

[#151653] cartesian product - next to last version — "walter a kehowski" <wkehowski@...>

Hello,

12 messages 2005/08/11

[#151657] Performance Ruby — "Goel" <spam@...>

Hi,

26 messages 2005/08/11

[#151692] Re: Ruby report generation tool — "Berger, Daniel" <Daniel.Berger@...>

> -----Original Message-----

14 messages 2005/08/11

[#151723] Problems with Net::HTTP.get — Marek Kubica <pythonmailing@...>

Hello!

13 messages 2005/08/11

[#151735] Dear RubyGems: Perhaps a better way to override require... — "Trans" <transfire@...>

I may have found a much better way to override Kernel#require. Here's

16 messages 2005/08/11
[#151743] Re: Dear RubyGems: Perhaps a better way to override require... — Chad Fowler <chadfowler@...> 2005/08/11

On 8/11/05, Trans <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

[#151768] Re: Dear RubyGems: Perhaps a better way to override require... — "Trans" <transfire@...> 2005/08/11

Hi Chad,

[#151774] Re: Dear RubyGems: Perhaps a better way to override require... — Chad Fowler <chadfowler@...> 2005/08/11

On 8/11/05, Trans <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

[#151783] Re: Dear RubyGems: Perhaps a better way to override require... — "Ryan Leavengood" <mrcode@...> 2005/08/11

Chad Fowler said:

[#151758] Setting up Eclipse for Ruby — "francisrammeloo@..." <francisrammeloo@...>

Hi all,

14 messages 2005/08/11

[#151877] Another newbie question — "len" <lsumnler@...>

I am trying to write a small little program that will currently run in

20 messages 2005/08/12

[#151897] Ruby Performance — Bradley Kite <bradley.kite@...>

Hi all,

88 messages 2005/08/12
[#151909] Re: Ruby Performance — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2005/08/12

Bradley Kite wrote:

[#151914] Re: Ruby Performance — Bradley Kite <bradley.kite@...> 2005/08/12

Those idioms are around 21 seconds each in Ruby.

[#152316] Re: Ruby Performance — "Isaac Gouy" <igouy@...> 2005/08/16

Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#152149] RubyGems or any HTTP on XP NOT working — mycallidus@...

I tried to start learning Ruby by installing Ruby & Rails on XP, and it

13 messages 2005/08/14

[#152151] hacker logo — "walter a kehowski" <wkehowski@...>

http://paulgraham.com/index.html -> http://reddit.com/ ->

15 messages 2005/08/14
[#152155] Re: hacker logo — Nikolai Weibull <mailing-lists.ruby-talk@...> 2005/08/15

walter a kehowski wrote:

[#152186] Troubles with the installation of RAILS — Jan Meskens <janmeskens@...>

Hello,

16 messages 2005/08/15

[#152208] Building a REPL for Ruby — Shalev NessAiver <shalev@...>

Yes, I know ruby already has irb, but I have a friend who keeps

19 messages 2005/08/15

[#152290] New site built using Ruby on Rails — David Teare <dteare@...>

Hi all,

23 messages 2005/08/15

[#152375] Ruby for my new business? — Jared Nuzzolillo <onceuponapriori@...>

Hello list. I am in the process of starting a new business venture in South

30 messages 2005/08/16

[#152434] Ruby on Unix vs. Windows — Rick Nooner <rick@...>

Yesterday at work we took an analysis program written in ruby that we had been

13 messages 2005/08/16

[#152451] Generic Parsing Library — "Adam Sanderson" <netghost@...>

I was wondering if anyone would be interested in, or knows of a generic

16 messages 2005/08/16

[#152535] Newbie question — "len" <lsumnler@...>

Is there some difference in the code I'm not seeing or is one better

18 messages 2005/08/17

[#152556] Prototype-based / Ruby question — "zimba.tm@..." <zimba.tm@...>

I just stumbled across this page[1] on RubyGarden. The writer tells

20 messages 2005/08/17
[#152578] Re: Prototype-based / Ruby question — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...> 2005/08/17

On Aug 17, 2005, at 2:21 AM, zimba.tm@gmail.com wrote:

[#152585] Re: Prototype-based / Ruby question — Lyndon Samson <lyndon.samson@...> 2005/08/17

I'd say prototype means no classes, that is create an Object from another (

[#152666] Novice Q: What's the difference between /\s*/ and /(\s)*/? — "Mike Meng" <meng.yan@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2005/08/18

[#152723] Idiomatic ruby version of this code? — Brock Weaver <brockweaver@...>

Showing off ruby to a coworker, and I want to emphasize how succinct yet

17 messages 2005/08/18

[#152740] Ruby Specifications — Brian Mitchell <binary42@...>

Over the past few days I've been working on implementing my own (yet

14 messages 2005/08/18

[#152772] Protecting commercial ruby code with public/private key encryption — "John Wells" <lists@...>

I was speaking with a co-worker today about the disappointment we feel

30 messages 2005/08/18

[#152776] Python vs Ruby! — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...>

Which is better, Python or Ruby?

45 messages 2005/08/18
[#152828] Re: Python vs Ruby! — Jamey Cribbs <jcribbs@...> 2005/08/19

Joe Van Dyk wrote:

[#152777] New to Ruby! — Seth Thomas Rasmussen <sethrasmussen@...>

Hi all,

16 messages 2005/08/18

[#152780] AIX and Ruby issues (still) — ober <ober@...>

I know this is a thorn to bring up every so often.

15 messages 2005/08/18

[#152843] RedCloth .... PILES of warnings when I require it ... — Jeff Wood <jeff.darklight@...>

I've downloaded and have the Gem for RedCloth 3.0.3 installed.

11 messages 2005/08/19

[#152892] Sodoku Solver (#43) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

43 messages 2005/08/19
[#153016] Re: [QUIZ] Sodoku Solver (#43) — Karl von Laudermann <karlvonl@...> 2005/08/20

In article

[#153292] Re: [QUIZ] Sodoku Solver (#43) — Adam Shelly <adam.shelly@...> 2005/08/23

Hi. This is my first attempt at a ruby quiz, and my first post to ruby-talk.

[#153297] Re: [QUIZ] Sodoku Solver (#43) — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/08/23

On Aug 22, 2005, at 9:08 PM, Adam Shelly wrote:

[#153314] Re: [QUIZ] Sodoku Solver (#43) — Adam Shelly <adam.shelly@...> 2005/08/23

Ok, I've updated my version to resort to guessing when it can't deduce

[#153348] Re: [QUIZ] Sodoku Solver (#43) — "Dominik Bathon" <dbatml@...> 2005/08/23

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:54:25 +0200, Adam Shelly <adam.shelly@gmail.com>

[#153353] Re: [QUIZ] Sodoku Solver (#43) — Adam Shelly <adam.shelly@...> 2005/08/23

On 8/23/05, Dominik Bathon <dbatml@gmx.de> wrote:

[#153374] Re: [QUIZ] Sodoku Solver (#43) — David Brady <ruby_talk@...> 2005/08/24

Adam Shelly wrote:

[#153067] Still looking for a Ruby MUD client — Sy <sy1234@...>

I'm still looking for a Ruby-scriptable Telnet/MUD client. Does

52 messages 2005/08/20
[#154216] Re: Still looking for a Ruby MUD client — "Dave Burt" <dave@...> 2005/08/30

Jon wrote:

[#154219] Re: Still looking for a Ruby MUD client — Reyn Vlietstra <reyn.vlietstra@...> 2005/08/30

Have a look at my mud,

[#154246] Re: Still looking for a Ruby MUD client — Sy <sy1234@...> 2005/08/30

I look for months for a ruby mud client or at least something that can

[#154258] Re: Still looking for a Ruby MUD client — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/08/30

On Aug 30, 2005, at 7:47 AM, Sy wrote:

[#154293] Re: Still looking for a Ruby MUD client — Sy <sy1234@...> 2005/08/30

On 8/30/05, James Edward Gray II <james@grayproductions.net> wrote:

[#154514] Re: Still looking for a Ruby MUD client — <agemoagemo@...> 2005/08/31

--- Sy <sy1234@gmail.com> wrote:

[#154535] Re: Still looking for a Ruby MUD client — Sy <sy1234@...> 2005/08/31

On 8/31/05, agemoagemo@yahoo.com <agemoagemo@yahoo.com> wrote:

[#154541] Re: Still looking for a Ruby MUD client — Greg Millam <ruby-talk@...> 2005/08/31

> > The main reason that I, at least, am using net/telnet

[#154579] Re: Still looking for a Ruby MUD client — <agemoagemo@...> 2005/09/01

--- Greg Millam <ruby-talk@lethalcode.net> wrote:

[#153101] www.ruby.net — Daniel Schierbeck <daniel.schierbeck@...>

I don't know if this has been discussed before (didn't find any messages

46 messages 2005/08/21
[#153110] Re: www.ruby.net — nobu.nokada@... 2005/08/21

Hi,

[#153112] Re: www.ruby.net — Daniel Schierbeck <daniel.schierbeck@...> 2005/08/21

nobu.nokada@softhome.net wrote:

[#153113] Re: www.ruby.net — Paul van Tilburg <paul@...> 2005/08/21

On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 09:36:17PM +0900, Daniel Schierbeck wrote:

[#153380] The Chainsaw Infanticide Logger Manuever — "Zed A. Shaw" <zedshaw@...>

One of the things that's really great about agile languages is they give you the power to do anything. One of the most horrible things about agile languages is they give every other idiot the same power to stab you in the back with a rusty pitchfork.

37 messages 2005/08/24
[#153439] Re: The Chainsaw Infanticide Logger Manuever — "Bill Kelly" <billk@...> 2005/08/24

From: "Zed A. Shaw" <zedshaw@zedshaw.com>

[#153445] Re: The Chainsaw Infanticide Logger Manuever — Jeff Wood <jeff.darklight@...> 2005/08/24

My feelings are in-line with the review of Dave's session as OSCON @

[#153414] determining the attribute names of an object — Mark Volkmann <r.mark.volkmann@...>

The way to determine the names of the attributes of objects created

16 messages 2005/08/24
[#153417] Re: determining the attribute names of an object — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/08/24

Hi --

[#153419] Re: determining the attribute names of an object — Mark Volkmann <r.mark.volkmann@...> 2005/08/24

On 8/24/05, David A. Black <dblack@wobblini.net> wrote:

[#153422] Good cross-platform IDE / multiple document text editor for ruby / rails? — Brock Weaver <brockweaver@...>

I apologize for the cross-post, but I thought it would spur a good

55 messages 2005/08/24
[#153426] Re: Good cross-platform IDE / multiple document text editor for ruby / rails? — Aaron Kulbe <akulbe@...> 2005/08/24

What about vim?

[#153548] Re: Good cross-platform IDE / multiple document text editor for ruby / rails? — tony summerfelt <snowzone5@...> 2005/08/25

Brock Weaver wrote on 8/24/2005 10:51 AM:

[#153570] Re: Good cross-platform IDE / multiple document text editor for ruby / rails? — Randy Kramer <rhkramer@...> 2005/08/25

On Thursday 25 August 2005 08:15 am, tony summerfelt wrote:

[#153793] Re: Good cross-platform IDE / multiple document text editor for ruby / rails? — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2005/08/26

Hello Randy,

[#153842] Re: Good cross-platform IDE / multiple document text editor for ruby / rails? — Randy Kramer <rhkramer@...> 2005/08/27

On Friday 26 August 2005 07:56 pm, Lothar Scholz wrote:

[#153869] Re: Good cross-platform IDE / multiple document text editor for ruby / rails? — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2005/08/28

Hello Randy,

[#153456] ruby way for piece of code — Alexandru Popescu <the.mindstorm.mailinglist@...>

Hi!

10 messages 2005/08/24

[#153513] Bokeo 0.25 - The initial release of an FXRuby interface to RubyGems — Richard Lyman <lymans@...>

I'm pleased to announce the initial release of Bokeo, an FXRuby

9 messages 2005/08/24

[#153562] idea: klass.from_s(str) — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...>

I was thinking how in seems a little asymmetric that many

18 messages 2005/08/25
[#153574] Re: idea: klass.from_s(str) — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/08/25

Hi --

[#153566] EventLoop 0.0.20050825.1600 — Daniel Brockman <daniel@...>

Hi list,

40 messages 2005/08/25

[#153656] rmagick question — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...>

I'm trying to set the pixels of an image:

31 messages 2005/08/26
[#153673] Re: rmagick question — Brian Schrer <ruby.brian@...> 2005/08/26

On 26/08/05, Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@gmail.com> wrote:

[#153714] Re: rmagick question — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...> 2005/08/26

On 8/26/05, Brian Schrer <ruby.brian@gmail.com> wrote:

[#153746] Re: rmagick question — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...> 2005/08/26

On 8/26/05, Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@gmail.com> wrote:

[#153747] Re: rmagick question — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...> 2005/08/26

On 8/26/05, Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@gmail.com> wrote:

[#153750] Re: rmagick question — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...> 2005/08/26

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, Joe Van Dyk wrote:

[#153752] Re: rmagick question — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...> 2005/08/26

On 8/26/05, Ara.T.Howard <Ara.T.Howard@noaa.gov> wrote:

[#153942] Re: rmagick question — Timothy Hunter <cyclists@...> 2005/08/28

Joe Van Dyk wrote:

[#153947] Re: rmagick question — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...> 2005/08/28

On 8/28/05, Timothy Hunter <cyclists@nc.rr.com> wrote:

[#153971] Re: rmagick question — Timothy Hunter <cyclists@...> 2005/08/29

Joe Van Dyk wrote:

[#154011] Re: rmagick question — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...> 2005/08/29

On 8/28/05, Timothy Hunter <cyclists@nc.rr.com> wrote:

[#154034] Re: rmagick question — Timothy Hunter <cyclists@...> 2005/08/29

Joe Van Dyk wrote:

[#154163] Re: rmagick question — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...> 2005/08/29

On 8/29/05, Timothy Hunter <cyclists@nc.rr.com> wrote:

[#153662] DRb functions disappearing? — Kevin Brown <blargity@...>

I will start by admitting I'm new to Ruby, but am generally a quick learner.

18 messages 2005/08/26
[#153667] Re: DRb functions disappearing? — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2005/08/26

On 25 Aug 2005, at 21:49, Kevin Brown wrote:

[#153668] Re: DRb functions disappearing? — Kevin Brown <blargity@...> 2005/08/26

On Friday 26 August 2005 01:14, Eric Hodel wrote:

[#153670] Re: DRb functions disappearing? — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2005/08/26

On 26 Aug 2005, at 00:32, Kevin Brown wrote:

[#153671] Re: DRb functions disappearing? — Kevin Brown <blargity@...> 2005/08/26

On Friday 26 August 2005 02:08, Eric Hodel wrote:

[#153672] Method behaves differently when called using #send — Ron M <rm_rails@...>

I'm having difficulty using #send to call methods in

117 messages 2005/08/26
[#153723] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — calamitas@... 2005/08/26

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Ron M wrote:

[#153828] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/27

Hi,

[#153833] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/08/27

Hi --

[#153938] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — "daz" <dooby@...10.karoo.co.uk> 2005/08/28

[#153963] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/08/28

Hi --

[#154105] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/29

Hi,

[#154107] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/08/29

Hi --

[#154110] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/29

Hi,

[#154204] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/30

Hi,

[#154210] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — "Trans" <transfire@...> 2005/08/30

[#154213] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/30

Hi,

[#154247] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...> 2005/08/30

--- Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:

[#154151] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — Daryl Richter <daryl@...> 2005/08/29

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#154161] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/08/29

Hi --

[#153695] Word Chains (#44) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

40 messages 2005/08/26

[#153722] vim user switch to emacs? — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...>

Hi,

38 messages 2005/08/26

[#153780] Introducing ruSH — Reyn Vlietstra <reyn.vlietstra@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2005/08/26
[#153788] Re: Introducing ruSH — Sy <sy1234@...> 2005/08/26

I've been waiting for something like this to come along.. but I'm

[#153789] Re: Introducing ruSH — Reyn Vlietstra <reyn.vlietstra@...> 2005/08/26

You have to have

[#153863] how do you describe '#!' in written english? — "SHIGETOMI, Takuhiko" <tshiget1@...>

quick question.

16 messages 2005/08/28

[#153927] Help needed with rexml — Michael <invalid@...>

I've been struggling to properly parse some XML with rexml. I will fully

15 messages 2005/08/28

[#153979] catching segmentation faults from Ruby — Iain Dooley <idoo4002@...>

hello, i've got ruby embedded into an application, and i've built a code

14 messages 2005/08/29
[#154028] Re: catching segmentation faults from Ruby — ts <decoux@...> 2005/08/29

>>>>> "I" == Iain Dooley <idoo4002@mail.usyd.edu.au> writes:

[#153980] how to unflatten a flat-array — "SHIGETOMI, Takuhiko" <tshiget1@...>

dear guys,

38 messages 2005/08/29
[#154014] Re: [Q] how to unflatten a flat-array — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2005/08/29

2005/8/29, SHIGETOMI, Takuhiko <tshiget1@gw.nsw.co.jp>:

[#154025] Re: [Q] how to unflatten a flat-array — "SHIGETOMI, Takuhiko" <tshiget1@...> 2005/08/29

greetings, Robert. thank you, it does make sense to me.

[#154056] Re: [Q] how to unflatten a flat-array — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2005/08/29

SHIGETOMI, Takuhiko wrote:

[#154013] I think that French verb conjugation is as simple as, if not simpler than, that of English (no kidding!) - see www.sixpourcent.com — pan6pourcent@163.com

Dear friends,

11 messages 2005/08/29

[#154108] Thread.list confusion — "Andrew S. Townley" <andrew.townley@...>

12 messages 2005/08/29
[#154132] Re: Thread.list confusion — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2005/08/29

On 29 Aug 2005, at 08:57, Andrew S. Townley wrote:

[#154238] ThreadPool (was: Re: Thread.list confusion) — "Andrew S. Townley" <andrew.townley@...> 2005/08/30

[#154143] New to Ruby — "Steve" <sdouglas949@...>

I'm new to ruby and programming (although I did dabble in BASIC with my

15 messages 2005/08/29

[#154188] Aesthetics of while ... do ... end versus while ...: ... end — Nikolai Weibull <mailing-lists.ruby-talk@...>

OK, this is really quite lame, but what do you people prefer:

10 messages 2005/08/29

[#154344] MInimal Ruby Distribution with app — bww00amdahl@...

I'm looking for a minimal distribution of Ruby to distribute my app

12 messages 2005/08/30

[#154363] Nano Methods & Mega Modules — "Trans" <transfire@...>

19 messages 2005/08/30

[#154380] Ruby on Linux & Windows — Tim Ferrell <Tim.Ferrell@...0nspark.com>

I'm not trying to start anything here but I'd like some feedback from those of

18 messages 2005/08/30

[#154542] nano & mega — Jeff Wood <jeff.darklight@...>

What's up with the funky names ... AND, is there an easy way to just require

30 messages 2005/08/31
[#154592] Re: nano & mega — "Dave Burt" <dave@...> 2005/09/01

Jeff Wood wrote:

[#154624] Re: nano & mega — =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Florian_Gro=DF?= <florgro@...> 2005/09/01

Dave Burt wrote:

[#154626] Re: nano & mega — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/09/01

On Sep 1, 2005, at 8:59 AM, Florian Growrote:

Re: What's so special about operators, built-in classes and modules?

From: Ben Giddings <bg-rubytalk@...>
Date: 2005-08-08 22:32:50 UTC
List: ruby-talk #151292
On Jul 27, 2005, at 12:07, Ara.T.Howard wrote:
> this is a similar 'argument':
>
>   in c most people think that a definition like
>
>     int foobar (const char * string);
>
>   will prevent people from modifiying string.  it won't.  for that  
> one needs
>
>     int foobar (const char * const string);
>
>   why not unify them?
>
> the answer is obvious: because they are differnet.  a focus on  
> clarifying
> doccumentation might be wiser in this case.  and, in the end,  
> certain people
> are simply going to have to be told to rtfm - not everything can be  
> intuitive
> AND powerful.

Actually, the first example will prevent people from modifying the  
string, at least directly.  Adding the second const only prevents  
them from reassigning the "string" variable within the function.

The biggest problem here is that in C strings don't exist.  People go  
to great lengths to pretend that they do, but really, they don't.   
There are only arrays of characters terminated by a null character.   
If people would quit believing that strings actually exist, then the  
problems with strings and C would go away.

What makes the problem worse is that C makes it really easy to  
believe that strings exist.  Having constructs like "Hello World!\n"  
makes people think that there is such a thing as a string, but the  
compiler sees that as being identical to {'H', 'e', 'l', 'l', 'o', '  
', 'W', 'o', 'r', 'l', 'd', '!', '\n', '\0'}.

Now you could argue that strings actually *do* exist, and that they  
*are* arrays of characters terminated by a null.  I don't buy it  
though.  Why not?  Because *anything* can be a string of characters  
terminated by a null.  C may be statically typed, but try declaring  
an array of characters and then calling strlen(the_array).  It may  
give you a length, or maybe a segfault, but it will never say "hey!   
that's not a string!"

Aside from the issue of C strings, I'd say the way const is used in  
functions is b0rken in C.  Take int foo(const int bar);  Since bar is  
passed by value, any modifications of it in the body of the function  
are only local to the function.  In my experience good C coders treat  
every parameter passed by value as "const", otherwise they lose a  
record of what parameters the function was supplied.  Because of  
this, "const" is only really useful when applied to pointers.  And  
the syntax for that is really confusing -- generally the syntax for  
pointers is really confusing in C as a general rule.  The concept of  
a pointer is pretty simple -- it's an address in memory, the only  
thing that makes it difficult is the syntax.

In this bit of code, you can change the variable a, which is a  
pointer, making it point at something else, but you can't change the  
value it points at.  As for b, you can change the value it points at,  
but you can't change the variable itself.

int bar(const int *a, int *const b, const int c)
{
     int d, e;
     //*a = 3;
     *b = 4;
     a = &d;
     //b = &e;
     //c = 5;
}

The "const char* string" works the same way, preventing you from  
modifying the contents of the string, but letting you reassign the  
variable.  The way to read it (I believe) is "if you dereference  
'string' you will get a constant character".

Anyhow, bringing this back to Ruby...

I think Modules and Classes should be separate, but I think there's a  
lot of confusion there.

Classes are pretty straightforward, but modules are not.  I'd say  
most of the confusion comes from the fact that modules can either be  
groups of functions that are mixed in to other things, or they can be  
namespaces.  That dual use gets confusing.  Oh, and it's also  
confusing that a Class is a Module in the inheritance tree.

I agree that it's confusing that including a module doesn't hide  
functions that a class defines on its own.  IMHO it isn't clear that  
"include FooModule" is similar to inheritance.  It looks like it's  
similar to "attr_accessor", not like class Foo < Bar.

Adding documentation would help a bit with this issue, but it doesn't  
seem like the ideal approach to me.  Instead of documenting a  
confusing issue, why not understand why it's confusing and fix it?

I'd suggest that for one thing, modules-as-namespaces should  
disappear, there should simply be a "namespace" keyword so "Math::PI"  
is in the Math namespace, not the Math module.  Then, I'd say "mixin"  
instead of "module".  Finally to address the issue of it not  
overriding methods that already exist, maybe a second parameter to  
"include" named "override" that defaults to false?  Sure, that could  
break things when you mix something in that clobbers a "helper  
method", but just having that option there makes people realize that  
it doesn't always override things.

As for multiple inheritance vs. single inheritance, I think the  
problem isn't a technical one, it's a human one.  As Adam P Jenkins  
pointed out:

   By your logic, C++ and Python don't have the diamond problem  
either. Both
   of those languages have well defined ways in which the method to  
call is
   chosen, which have to do with the order in which the programmer  
writes things.

So the question becomes "What is going to provide the most  
flexibility with the least confusion?"  I think that rules out  
multiple inheritance.  Ruby is a really flexible language.  Even  
without resorting to "eval" you can do some pretty astounding  
things.  But in general the approach seems to be "unless you're  
trying to do something tricky, things generally behave as they  
should".  I would say that having multiple inheritance adds a lot of  
potential for confusion without a lot of benefit.  Crafty programmers  
can get all(?) the benefits of MI from Ruby today, as long as they're  
willing to be sneaky about it.  Less crafty programmers don't have to  
worry about the diamond problem.  Doesn't that seem like the way  
things should be?

Ben


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