[#98950] Strange behaviour of Strings in Range — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>
Hi,
Hi,
[#98965] Don't understand hashing... — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>
Hi,
[#98975] Why no Proc##[]=() ? Why no Proc##replace() ? — Jean-Hugues ROBERT <jean_hugues_robert@...>
Hi,
I'm not sure what your proposal means.
About class Proc; def []=(*args); self[*args] end end and the value of
I understand the concept of an lvalue in assignment. I just don't think it
About hypothetical class Proc; def []=(*args) self[*args] end end
On Monday 03 May 2004 7:54 am, Jean-Hugues ROBERT wrote:
Warning: I believe this thread of msgs is rather academic. Because I
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 05:18:09PM +0900, Jean-Hugues ROBERT wrote:
At 22:10 02/05/2004 +0900, you wrote:
[#98980] Ruby Newbie (ooh, that rhymes!) - When do I use do/end, when {}? — glenn_m_smith@... (Glenn)
Hello all
Mark Hubbart wrote:
Jim Weirich wrote:
On Sunday, May 2, 2004, 9:53:40 AM, James wrote:
Gavin Sinclair wrote:
Hi --
Hi David, Robert & all...
[#99023] ruby 1.8 differences? — glenn_m_smith@... (Glenn)
Can anybody point me at a list of what's changed in Ruby
[#99045] ANNOUNCE: vflow 0.1 beta — jm <jm@...>
Module: vflow
[#99053] print <<XXX parses some text in scope ending with XXX -- Why? — "Richard Lionheart" <NoOne@...>
As I read Thomas&Hunt p. 205, Ruby should build a quoted string with the
[#99062] Re: rubygem BUG — "Mehr, Assaph (Assaph)" <assaph@...>
[#99102] model for my problem (network simulator) — Gergely Kontra <kgergely@...>
Hello!
[#99105] What do you use Ruby for? — glenn_m_smith@... (Glenn)
OK, the more I read about Ruby (currently on page 29 of the FAQ,
Glenn wrote:
[#99113] $SAFE = 3.5? — Guillaume Marcais <guslist@...>
Is there anyway to have the same restriction that $SAFE=4 would give
il Tue, 4 May 2004 04:14:06 +0900, Guillaume Marcais <guslist@free.fr>
Mark Hubbart wrote:
Hi,
>>>>> "H" == Hidetoshi NAGAI <nagai@ai.kyutech.ac.jp> writes:
Hi,
>>>>> "H" == Hidetoshi NAGAI <nagai@ai.kyutech.ac.jp> writes:
[#99119] YAML vs. Marshal — dejaspam@... (Bill Atkins)
Is there any reason to use Marshal instead of YAML? Is there anything
Bill Atkins wrote:
Joel VanderWerf wrote:
why the lucky stiff wrote:
Hal Fulton wrote:
On Wednesday, May 5, 2004, 3:35:08 AM, why wrote:
Gavin Sinclair wrote:
On Wed, 5 May 2004, Joel VanderWerf wrote:
[#99134] rubygems implementation question — Charles Comstock <cc1@...>
I was curious why the code in installer.rb in ruby gems was setup like this?
[#99136] IO::write — Charles Comstock <cc1@...>
Why is there only an IO::read, and no equivalent IO::write that takes a
Hi,
[#99173] Can a program be made to drop into irb? — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>
I'd like to be able to write a program that, halfway through
On Tue, 4 May 2004, Gavin Sinclair wrote:
[#99181] Re: Strange behaviour of Strings in Range — "Martin Elzen" <martinelzen@...>
Hi everyone.
[#99183] One class per file — "rolo" <rohitlodha@...>
Hi
[#99189] Using TkTree - Desperately need help — dejaspam@... (Bill Atkins)
Can anyone give me a step-by-step method of using TkTree on Win32? I
[#99196] madeleine gem problem (or rubygem one) — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com>
Hi gurus and nubys,
[#99204] What so special about PostgreSQL and other RDBMS? — "Sarah Tanembaum" <sarah.tanembaum@...>
Beside its an opensource and supported by community, what's the fundamental
"Daniel Morgan" <damorgan@x.washington.edu> wrote
[#99205] Gnome2 panel applets? — Jamis Buck <jgb3@...>
Is it possible to create panel applets for Gnome2 using the ruby-gnome2
[#99244] Re: RubyGem behind an authenticating proxy — "Mehr, Assaph (Assaph)" <assaph@...>
> I can't offer any real help; I can only say that RubyGems' proxy
[#99270] Is Ruby Top 1 of Programming Languages that are Loved? — "Park Heesob" <phasis68@...>
Hi all,
In article <c7b98v$4b7$1@orkan.itea.ntnu.no>,
Mark Hubbart <discord@mac.com> wrote:
In article <83173408.0405051506.5db85fe6@posting.google.com>,
* Phil Tomson <ptkwt@aracnet.com> [0554 02:54]:
On Thu, 6 May 2004, Dick Davies wrote:
il Fri, 7 May 2004 00:05:03 +0900, "Curt Hibbs" <curt@hibbs.com> ha
Ummm, folks, this is getting a bit tedious. You're "preaching to the
Matt Lawrence wrote:
On Fri, 7 May 2004, Curt Hibbs wrote:
[#99288] signaling another thread — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>
[#99294] 0.0 sign — Elias Athanasopoulos <elathan@...>
Hello!
[#99324] REXML bug? — Makoto Kuwata <kwa@...>
[#99326] RAA error - can't dup NilClass — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>
When I try to enter my project page
Hi,
Hi, again,
"NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nahi@keynauts.com> wrote:
Hi,
Hi!
I'm not familiar with rubygems, but raa is the ruby equiv of cpan
[#99334] vim and make — Doug Kearns <djkea2@...>
We're having a bit of a discussion over on vim-ruby-devel about the
[#99352] iterator-0.7 — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>
homepage:
[#99354] readlines — Martin Uruz <udlduz@...>
hi
[#99399] DRb Connection Closed Error?!?!?!? — "Ken Hilton" <kenosis@...>
Greetings,
[#99403] mod_ruby: Consequences of shared interpreter — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>
After more than two years, I'm looking at mod_ruby again.
[#99438] What is Borges? — dejaspam@... (Bill Atkins)
Can someone please explain to me what Borges does? Its home page
* Bill Atkins <dejaspam@batkins.com> [0534 01:34]:
On Fri, 7 May 2004 19:58:29 +0900, Dick Davies wrote
* Kirk Haines <khaines@enigo.com> [0526 15:26]:
On Sat, 8 May 2004 05:56:09 +0900, Dick Davies wrote
Kirk Haines (khaines@enigo.com) wrote:
Dick Davies wrote:
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Kaspar Schiess wrote:
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[#99456] ruby replacement for net::patricia needed — jm <jm@...>
I'm looking for the ruby equivalent of the perl Net::Patricia module
[#99477] Encoding with TCPSocket — Michael Mueller <mueller@...>
Hello!
[#99498] test unit & singleton — Guillaume Marcais <guslist@...>
How do you get a fresh copy of a singleton between 2 unit test? It
That's why you want to avoid singletons as much as possible when it
[#99515] DBI, OCI8 and the 'tables' method — djberg96@... (Daniel Berger)
Hi all,
[#99527] Ruby Installer for Windows: use of Win32OLE bug causes crash — Jos Backus <jos@...>
This is with the latest Ruby Installer for Windows, 181-13-rc2.
[#99583] Ruby Installer for Windows 1.8.1-13 final — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...>
The Ruby Installer 1.8.1-13 (final) for Windows has been released and
I'm pleased to announce the kickoff of RubyForge project called "Why Ruby?"
> I'm pleased to announce the kickoff of RubyForge project called "Why
Curt Hibbs wrote:
I have uploaded a release candidate for Ruby Installer that was built using
The original release candidate that I posted earlier today did not include
RC3 adds back the missing support for OpenGL. There were no other changes,
> RC3 adds back the missing support for OpenGL. There were no other changes,
Hello Curt,
Hi,
Hi,
nobu.nokada@softhome.net wrote:
Hi,
il Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:46:30 +0900, "Curt Hibbs" <curt@hibbs.com> ha
Hello Curt,
Lothar Scholz wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 04:45:43 +0900, Curt Hibbs <curt@hibbs.com> wrote:
Lyle Johnson wrote:
[#99597] How to get the last 5 elements of an array? — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>
Hi,
Hi --
[#99636] Can't build with Panther — Jim Freeze <jim@...>
Hi
[#99644] My favorite RCRs... — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>
This is just to stir things up a little. Go to rcrchive.net and vote
[#99647] Code for a transparent proxy? — Michael Vondung <mvondung@...>
I'm dabbling in something that I have little to no understanding of
[#99660] interface 0.1.0 — djberg96@... (Daniel Berger)
Hi all,
[#99680] rubygarden homepage hacks — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>
On daily basis the homepage at rubygarden is being edited.
On Mon, 10 May 2004 07:24:03 +0900, Simon Strandgaard
Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@adslhome.dk> wrote:
On Mon, 10 May 2004 17:55:44 +0900, Jean-Hugues ROBERT wrote:
On Mon, 10 May 2004, Kristof Bastiaensen wrote:
On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 01:13:16AM +0900, Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng wrote:
[#99681] Roundup of new RubyGems features — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>
Hi folks,
Gavin Sinclair wrote:
[#99686] running gem — Paul Vudmaska <paul@...>
I'm testing a new host. All is not so great. It is bsd. I'm kind of new
[#99734] in search of a compelling reason to use ruby.... — Ryan Paul <segphault@...>
i'm a python programmer, and I have recently been hearing a lot about
In article <pan.2004.05.10.10.37.41.800624@sbcglobal.net>,
[#99738] redcloth and dynamic content — Dick Davies <rasputnik@...>
[#99764] safe eval? — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>
Ara.T.Howard wrote:
>>>>> "F" == Florian Gross <flgr@ccan.de> writes:
ts wrote:
>>>>> "F" == Florian Gross <flgr@ccan.de> writes:
ts wrote:
>>>>> "F" == Florian Gross <flgr@ccan.de> writes:
[#99775] RCR: Unique Object for Each source file — dejaspam@... (Bill Atkins)
Each Ruby .rb file is currently executed within the class Object. So
[#99816] Web, Cookies and Sessions — "Dmitry V. Sabanin" <sdmitry@...>
Hi,
"Kirk Haines" <khaines@enigo.com> writes:
On Wednesday 12 May 2004 03:03, Eric Schwartz wrote:
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 10:52:12AM +0900, Dmitry V. Sabanin wrote:
[#99850] Break points IN ruby code? — "Ken Hilton" <kenosis@...>
I've been having trouble setting break points in certain ruby constructs
[#99851] SciTE and Scintilla — Kaspar Schiess <eule@...>
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[#99854] Proposal: Object#send(nil) -> self — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>
A quick one. I see some sense in Object#send accepting 'nil' as the
[#99879] Strange regexp behaviour in gsub — Kristof Bastiaensen <kristof@...>
Hi,
On Wed, 12 May 2004 08:15:28 +0900, Joel VanderWerf wrote:
[#99889] Ruby on AIX 4.3.3 — Matt Lawrence <matt@...>
I just built Ruby 1.8.1 on an AIX 4.3.3 box using gcc. When I try to run
On Wed, 12 May 2004, Mark Hubbart wrote:
Hi Matt,
On Wed, 12 May 2004, Zane Dodson wrote:
[#99892] popen3 on windows — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...>
[#99898] wikiwiki and authentication — jm <jm@...>
Looking a ruwiki (and others) it seems there is a great range of wikis
[#99910] Pure Ruby FastCGI performance bug? — Zev Blut <rubyzbibd@...>
Hello,
[#99945] Recommendations (Ruby making my head swim) — Mike Rhodes <rhodes553@...>
I recently bought "Programming Ruby" and set out to learn the language
On Wed, 12 May 2004 10:10:19 -0400, Mike Rhodes wrote:
[#99960] PStore vs. YAML::Store — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>
Ara.T.Howard wrote:
[#99966] Major Addition Bug? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...>
Doing this:
I guess, you guys are missing the point,
Mohammad Khan wrote:
>>>>> "S" == Sean O'Dell <sean@celsoft.com> writes:
On Wednesday 12 May 2004 09:53, ts wrote:
Sean O'Dell wrote:
Hal Fulton wrote:
[#100032] are there any ruby IDEs? — Ryan Paul <segphault@...>
I use vim most of the time, but i'm curious if there are any
Stephan K舂per <Stephan.Kaemper@Schleswig-Holstein.de> writes:
il Wed, 12 May 2004 21:06:22 GMT, Ryan Paul <segphault@sbcglobal.net>
il Thu, 13 May 2004 10:15:29 +0200, "E.-R. Bruecklmeier"
[#100051] 100000th ruby-talk post! — David Alan Black <dblack@...>
Hi --
[#100058] nasty regexp problem — sera@... (Francis Hwang)
Hi all,
[#100093] How to make combinations of an array to produce all possible expressions? — Erik Terpstra <erik@...>
I have an array 'conds', which contains some sub-expressions for an
[#100136] Ruby's Best -- Please Help — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...>
On the "Why Ruby?" project wiki (http://whyruby.rubyforge.org/), I am trying
If you were an early visitor to:
[#100137] First Presentation Posted to Why Ruby! — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...>
Assaph Mehr just posted the first presentation to Why Ruby
In article <EAENKKNOJPMNCDMLDOMLKEHHEFAA.curt@hibbs.com>,
> If I were a Ruby Newbie just coming into the language and community I
Phil Tomson wrote:
[#100147] Ruby productivity question — "Its Me" <itsme213@...>
After a moderate amount of quite enjoyable time working with Ruby, I find
[#100182] C++ Exception compatibility idea — Asfand Yar Qazi <im_not_giving_it_here@..._hate_spam.com>
Hi,
In article <40A3E539.2010204@hypermetrics.com>,
On Fri, 14 May 2004 08:23:51 +0900, Phil Tomson <ptkwt@aracnet.com> wrote:
I'm trying to install Ruby's readline module on OS X and am having the
On Friday, 14 May 2004 at 8:23:51 +0900, Phil Tomson wrote:
Jim Freeze wrote:
On Fri, 14 May 2004 08:23:51 +0900
[#100192] mahoro-0.1 — Shu-yu Guo <shu@...>
Mahoro is a (very) simple and straightforward interface to the libmagic
[#100193] subclasses of string as hash keys — Matthias Georgi <matti_g@...>
Hi,
[#100220] Exploratory testing with Ruby — Brian Marick <marick@...>
I wrote an article introducing testers to Ruby by way of showing how
[#100251] ruby and gnome-canvas — Ryan Paul <segphault@...>
I have been experimenting with the ruby gnome bindings, and I have found a
[#100273] Regexp Error? — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...>
What's wrong here?
[#100295] Re: Regexp Error? — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...>
ts wrote:
>>>>> "M" == Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@yahoo.com> writes:
ts <decoux@moulon.inra.fr> wrote:
>>>>> "S" == Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@adslhome.dk> writes:
On Fri, 14 May 2004 23:21:27 +0900
[#100325] Re: Please revisit Ruby's Best and vote for additions — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...>
James Britt wrote:
On Sat, 15 May 2004 05:58:43 +0900, Sascha Ebach wrote:
Curt Hibbs wrote:
[#100333] getc windows != linux — Roeland Moors <roelandmoors@...>
I'm trying to communicate with a program (gnucap) using ruby.
[#100382] profiling ruby extensions — Elias Athanasopoulos <elathan@...>
Hello!
[#100395] Need Help Selecting a GUI — dejaspam@... (Bill Atkins)
As anyone can tell by looking at the topics of my recent posts, I'm
[#100411] GET-parameters an local vars — Dirk Einecke <dirk.einecke@...>
Hi.
[#100431] error in reg ex parser of 1.6.3 and 1.8.1? — "Christian Kaiser" <chk@...>
I would assume this to be an error:
[#100452] Singleton classes — "rolo" <rohitlodha@...>
Hi
[#100461] Ruby on Rails — Matt Lawrence <matt@...>
Very neat presentation, it kept me up way too late last night watching it.
> One thought that occurred to me while I was watching the video is that
Hi David,
On Saturday, 22 May 2004 at 23:15:38 +0900, David Heinemeier Hansson wrote:
[#100463] Spam attack on Ruby-Garden — Carsten Eckelmann <careck@...42.com>
Hi everybody,
[#100469] Is Ruby the Language for Me? — n.koren@... (Nathan Koren)
Greetings!
[#100497] Why do #dup and #clone behave differently with respect to instance methods — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...>
>> class Foo;end
[#100500] RCR: More enumerator functionality — Kristof Bastiaensen <kristof@...>
Hi,
[#100502] Method overloading — imodev@...
Hi all,
[#100510] Object#copy [rcr?] — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>
[#100511] How to duck type? - the psychology of static typing in Ruby — Tim Bates <tim@...>
Hi all,
Broken record time:
Robert Klemme wrote:
"Robert Klemme" <bob.news@gmx.net> wrote in message news:<2gs1pcF65u2uU1@uni-berlin.de>...
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Tim Bates wrote:
John Carter wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2004, Tim Bates wrote:
John Carter wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:56:52 +0900, Dave Thomas wrote:
On Thu, 20 May 2004 03:43:22 +0900, Dave Thomas wrote:
Marek Janukowicz wrote:
Hal Fulton wrote:
[#100526] How to a copy a file ? — "Florent 'flure' C." <flurePASDESPAM@...>
Hello
[#100573] Highlighting for unit testing output (console) — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...>
I'll personally award three kudos points to anyone who implements a patch
[#100579] Re: CSV bug? — "Pe, Botp" <botp@...>
Nahi aka NAKAMURA, Hiroshi [mailto:nahi@keynauts.com] humbly replied:
[#100589] writable — paul@... (paul vudmaska)
Thanks to the help of a kind rubyist i'm able to write a script for
[#100613] FoX: removing widgets — Yuri Leikind <y.leikind@...>
Hello all,
Yuri Leikind wrote:
On Wed, 19 May 2004 08:43:49 +0900
Yuri Leikind wrote:
I won't ask which is better, since I've just read some of the colorful
[#100621] Problem using YAML — Carol Almquist <calmquist@...>
I am using ruby 1.8.1 and yaml to store data records. After a few minutes I
[#100629] Newbie installation problem: libraries? — Paul Emmons <pemmons@...>
I have recently installed ruby-1.8.1 on my Mandrake Linux system.
[#100640] Sprites in RUDL — glenn_m_smith@... (Glenn)
My attempt at writing PACMAN was going smoothly but now I've stalled.
[#100649] Windows desktop app w/ simple db; how? — "Kirk Haines" <khaines@...>
Imagine that you had a very simple web based application. It queries some
>
[#100653] Zero is true ... whoda thunk? — "Richard Lionheart" <NoOne@...>
Hi,
Richard Lionheart wrote:
On Wed, 19 May 2004 06:34:54 +0900, Mark Sparshatt wrote:
Jamis Buck <jgb3@email.byu.edu> writes:
Claus Spitzer wrote:
[#100676] RMagick jp2 problem — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>
[#100677] RCR: UNIX credentials — Guillaume Marcais <guslist@...>
To get a feel before submitting a real RCR:
Hi,
[#100678] Re: CSV bug? — "Pe, Botp" <botp@...>
Gavin Sinclair [mailto:gsinclair@soyabean.com.au] happily wrote:
[#100690] Re: Zero is true ... whoda thunk? — David Naseby <david.naseby@...>
>-----Original Message-----
[#100691] Re: Zero is true ... whoda thunk? — David Naseby <david.naseby@...>
>-----Original Message-----
David Naseby (david.naseby@eonesolutions.com.au) wrote:
nonzero? returned nil instead of false for me. Shouldn't it return false?
[#100699] IronPython: A fast Python implementation for .NET and Mono — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)
Hey
[#100721] irb or xterm crash with UTF-8 — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>
server> irb
[#100735] UDP Asynchrone connection problems — <greg.burri@...2000.ch>
Hi all !
[#100793] Fortran Format? — qubert@... (Qubert)
OK, I have an algorithm that I created to format a series of numbers
[#100808] bad maths — Martin larsson <morg@...>
Hi
[#100817] Re: How to duck type? - the psychology of static typing in Ruby — David Naseby <david.naseby@...>
>-----Original Message-----
[#100837] Re: ODBC connection string for MS-Access — Shashank Date <shanko_date@...>
That worked ... thanks a million Joao !!!
[#100839] Where to download FXRuby library; where to put it; RUBYLIB, RUBYPATH env. vars — "Richard Lionheart" <NoOne@...>
Hi,
[#100857] Multicasting with Ruby? — Daemon Le <dle@...>
Hi,
[#100862] Ruby's builtin Datastructures — Brian Schroeder <spam0504@...>
Hello all,
Thanks for your answer. I should have looked in the raa by myself. Just a
Brian Schroeder wrote:
On Thu, May 20, 2004 at 09:45:12PM +0900, Simon Strandgaard wrote:
[#100863] Ruby/DBI 0.0.23 — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>
Hi,
[#100867] seraching backward in files — Patrick Gundlach <clr1.10.randomuser@...>
Dear ruby hackers,
[#100886] Files ugly clone — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>
I want to clone a filedescriptor, but no matter
[#100892] Re: Zero is true ... whoda thunk? — "Mills Thomas (app1tam)" <app1tam@...>
-> -----Original Message-----
[#100893] Include into class after instance is created — Brian Schroeder <spam0504@...>
Hello,
[#100910] make File#dup intuitive — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>
position is not copied.. try this example for yourself
Hi,
nobu.nokada@softhome.net wrote:
Hi,
[#100922] vuby - VM for Ruby — "rolo" <rohitlodha@...>
Hi all,
[#100924] Re: vuby - VM for Ruby — "Gavri Savio Fernandez" <Gavri_F@...>
> From: rolo [mailto:rohitlodha@hotwireindia.com]
[#100926] Overriding "", [], and {} — dejaspam@... (Bill Atkins)
Is there any way to cause "", [], and {} to have different behaviors.
[#100962] Re: CSV bug? — "Pe, Botp" <botp@...>
Nahi aka NAKAMURA, Hiroshi [mailto:nahi@keynauts.com] wrote:
Hi,
I have begun work on a version of the One-Click Ruby Installer for Mac
[#101001] ISAAC Random Number Generator — "Kirk Haines" <khaines@...>
Iowa includes a class, Iowa::ISAAC, which is a pure ruby implementation of
[#101017] Is it possible to call functions from different scripts in a Ruby script ? — Axel Etzold <aetzold@...>
Dear experienced Rubyists,
[#101019] begging for a hint in app design — Benny <linux@...>
dear list,
[#101038] more mysql drivel — Paul Vudmaska <paul@...>
so if you are not interested delete please.
[#101070] Instiki markup — "Dave Burt" <burtdav@...>
I'm not bagging Instiki. It's cool. RedCloth, BlueCloth or RDoc are all very
[#101071] Concerning version numbers... — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>
A few people in recent weeks have been bemoaning the fact that software
Trailing decimal places would serve the same purpose.
Nicholas Van Weerdenburg wrote:
On Sunday, May 23, 2004, 1:37:26 PM, Hal wrote:
What about those who use both?
This is an interesting discussion, as it's something that I have vacillated
[#101086] Segfault with win32ole, WMI and structs — djberg96@... (Daniel Berger)
Hi all,
[#101094] separate a HTML-tag in a hash — Dirk Einecke <dirk.einecke@...>
Hi.
Dirk Einecke said:
Hi.
[#101096] Mailinglist — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>
Hi,
[#101104] Emacs Ruby-Mode — Charles Comstock <cc1@...>
Was something changed recently in emacs ruby mode in the way it parses lines
[#101110] Ruby for educational purposes and localization — Laurent Julliard <laurent__no__@__spam__moldus.org>
All,
il Sun, 23 May 2004 13:53:59 +0200, Laurent Julliard
gabriele renzi wrote:
On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 01:41:35AM +0900, Hal Fulton wrote:
[#101144] compiling mmap? — Mark Hubbart <discord@...>
Hi,
>>>>> "M" == Mark Hubbart <discord@mac.com> writes:
>>>>> "M" == Mark Hubbart <discord@mac.com> writes:
>>>>> "M" == Mark Hubbart <discord@mac.com> writes:
[#101146] mysql-ruby or ruby-mysql? — Randy Lawrence <jm@...>
We're currently using:
[#101151] Deutschsprachige Mailingliste — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>
Hallo,
[#101160] an idea regarding map — Ryan Paul <segphault@...>
just some syntactic nitpicking:
[#101165] make faster Richards benchmark — dlissett0@... (Duncan Lissett)
I'd appreciate any suggestions on how to make a faster Ruby
[#101170] Which free windows debugger? — glenn_m_smith@... (Glenn)
Am I right in thinking FreeRIDE doesn't support 1.8.1 for debugging,
[#101174] mysql-ruby please help!!!!!! — Martin Uruz <udlduz@...>
hi
[#101176] Latest Ruby Stable Snapshot — Charles Comstock <cc1@...>
On the latest stable snapshot I got this error running the test suite. I
[#101198] YAML Segmentation fault while parsing 2M EUC file. — "Zev Blut" <rubyzbibd@...>
Hello,
>>>>> "Z" == Zev Blut <rubyzbibd@ubit.com> writes:
On Mon, 24 May 2004 23:56:35 +0900, ts <decoux@moulon.inra.fr> wrote:
[#101214] Why have a Symbol class? — "rolo" <rohitlodha@...>
Hi
On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 01:01:25AM +0900, rolo wrote:
I am having a small dillema. In a program I and a friend are writing I am
[#101226] Concerning package names — djberg96@... (Daniel Berger)
All,
Daniel Berger wrote:
I think perhaps the point being for in the Ruby-centric repositories
Interesting topic.
[#101228] Ruby on Rails questions — Carl Youngblood <carl@...>
I'm really interested in seeing Ruby on Rails. As far as I can tell it
[#101230] FXRuby widget suggesttion anybody? — Phil Roberts <philrob@...>
I'm looking to create a simple info grid such as the one shown in the
[#101249] How to pp-enable a class? — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>
Are there good docs or even a tutorial on how to enable a class
[#101250] Webrick & HOWTO type docs? — "Kirk Haines" <khaines@...>
I think I know the answer to this already, but....
Kirk Haines (khaines@enigo.com) wrote:
[#101253] RCR? change Proc#inspect to show start..end lines — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...>
[#101274] pp and (my) sstruct — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>
OK, I've narrowed the problem down a little further.
Hi --
David Alan Black wrote:
In article <40B29029.4080108@hypermetrics.com>,
Tanaka Akira wrote:
[#101282] mod_ruby/eruby for mswin32 for Ruby 1.8.1/Apache2.0.49 — Phil Wilson <canuckdba@...>
Does anybody have a solution for mod_ruby/eruby binaries for
[#101291] Ruby ftp class help — "Greg Brondo" <greg@...>
Ok. I seem to be the one to use the "not-so-well-written" classes in the
[#101292] Numeric#of — "Ara.T.Howard" <ahoward@...>
Hi --
On May 25, 2004, at 5:08 AM, David Alan Black wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, 25 May 2004, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
Hi,
Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
Hal Fulton wrote:
il Wed, 26 May 2004 06:28:32 +0900, Harry Ohlsen <harryo@zip.com.au>
[#101329] separating ruby-talk from comp.lang.ruby? — David Alan Black <dblack@...>
Hi --
David Alan Black <dblack@wobblini.net> wrote:
In article <m3brkcda7g.fsf@wobblini.net>,
Hi --
Wrote "David A. Black" <dblack@wobblini.net>, on Wed, May 26, 2004 at 03:15:03AM +0900:
Hi --
On Wednesday 26 May 2004 09:55, David A. Black wrote:
Sean O'Dell wrote:
On Wednesday 26 May 2004 11:42, Hal Fulton wrote:
Sean O'Dell wrote:
[#101360] ruby-dev summary 23459-23562 — Minero Aoki <aamine@...>
Hi all,
* Multiple assignment takes care of only Values objects.
Minero Aoki wrote:
>>>>> "F" == Florian Gross <flgr@ccan.de> writes:
On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 05:52:02PM +0900, ts wrote:
>>>>> "P" == Paul Brannan <pbrannan@atdesk.com> writes:
On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 10:54:32PM +0900, ts wrote:
>>>>> "P" == Paul Brannan <pbrannan@atdesk.com> writes:
On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 11:07:27PM +0900, ts wrote:
[#101369] defining condititions — Florian Weber <csshsh@...>
hi!
On Wed, 26 May 2004, Florian Weber wrote:
[#101382] Enumerable#group_by — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>
Hi,
[#101387] rb_frame_last_func() — Elias Athanasopoulos <elathan@...>
Hello!
[#101424] 3 yaml questions... — Martin Pirker <crf@...>
Hi.... I need help :-/
[#101437] net::imap non RFC compliance? — Dany Cayouette <danyc@...>
Greetings,
[#101457] Checking that an URL exists — "Imobach Gonz疝ez Sosa" <imodev@...>
Hi all,
[#101513] ot -bday (was RE: [RCR] Numeric#of) — "Pe, Botp" <botp@...>
Simon Strandgaard [mailto:neoneye@adslhome.dk] wrote:
"Pe, Botp" <botp@delmonte-phil.com> wrote:
[#101522] WEBrick and FastCGI response — Jim Freeze <jim@...>
Reply-To:
Hi Jim,
[#101527] Limiting Memory consumed by Ruby — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>
Hi,
[#101530] RubySharp and MorphR — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>
Hi,
[#101545] Mutex re-entrancy — "Martin Hart" <martin@...>
Hi all,
[#101558] Web APIs — Aredridel <aredridel@...>
I've been working with web programming for a while now, and I've yet to
[#101560] Re: separating ruby-talk from comp.lang.ruby? — "Mills Thomas (app1tam)" <app1tam@...>
Here, here, hear, hear. No NNTP here.
Hi --
Hi --
Hi --
Sorry everyone, testing again.... small meaningless tweak to
>>>>> "D" == David A Black <dblack@wobblini.net> writes:
Hi --
David A. Black wrote:
Hi --
[#101572] true.respond_to?("clone") — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...>
TrueClass responds to "clone" but when you call it, the method just throws an
[#101582] Re: true.respond_to?("clone") — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...>
On Thursday 27 May 2004 15:05, David A. Black wrote:
[#101591] Calling global method — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...>
How do you call a global method from a module method where there is another
[#101635] Visitor Pattern in Ruby — Charles Comstock <cc1@...>
I recently wrote a small compiler in java in which we used the visitor
[#101650] TkMenubar + Keyboard Shortcut — mhm26@... (matt)
Is there any easy way to do keyboard short cuts with tkmenubar /
[#101674] Andreas' practical language comparison — "Georgy" <no.mail@...>
Hi all!
I'll volunteer for some of the GUI stuff....Any specific timeframe we are
Zach Dennis wrote:
I've never used wxRuby. I'll print off some of it's documentation before I
[#101690] http://www.ruby-lang.org down? — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>
[#101701] enviroment variable for extensions — Elias Athanasopoulos <elathan@...>
Hello!
[#101713] segfault with rb_eval_string() — Elias Athanasopoulos <elathan@...>
Hello!
Hi,
[#101715] Re: Calling global method — "Austin Ziegler" <Austin.Ziegler@...>
>>S> There really should be a module called global, or
On Friday 28 May 2004 11:56, Austin Ziegler wrote:
[#101740] Metaobjects in Ruby — Claus Spitzer <DocBoobenstein@...>
I'm working on a paper for a class on Meta Programming Languages,
[#101745] Test::Unit: assert_follows_spec() (or something like that) — David Garamond <lists@...6.isreserved.com>
For deterministic functions/methods, the same set of inputs should
David Garamond wrote:
David Garamond (lists@zara.6.isreserved.com) wrote:
Jean-Hugues ROBERT wrote:
[#101747] helium.ruby-lang.org was cracked — Shugo Maeda <shugo@...>
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[#101749] eruby vs php/jsp... — "Shannon Fang" <xrfang@...>
Hi All,
[#101767] Re: eruby vs php/jsp... — "Shannon Fang" <xrfang@...>
Thanks. I will check the template system while RAA returns operation. My
[#101784] comp.lang.ruby FAQ (DE): Rich Text Format (RTF) — "Josef 'Jupp' Schugt" <jupp@...>
Hi!
[#101787] Using TclTkAqua on Mac OS X? — Paul Sanchez <paul@...>
I know of and admire RubyCocoa, but I'm interested in being able to use
[#101813] Re: eruby vs php/jsp... — "Shannon Fang" <xrfang@...>
Thanks for all the comments and suggestions. A bit more information about
[#101821] yaml - ruby 1.8.1 (2003-12-25) [i686-linux] — Paul Vudmaska <paul@...>
Hello,
[#101823] gsub!, replace with \' — Patrick Gundlach <clr1.10.randomuser@...>
Dear Ruby-hackers,
[#101830] Behavior of application changes when adding non-relevant puts — felix.nawothnig@... (Felix Nawothnig)
Hi.
Felix Nawothnig wrote:
[#101852] String#split returns extra empty string — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>
While extending my own regexp-engine with a split method,
[#101853] mysql-ruby — Paul Vudmaska <paul@...>
%$@#%$ i know i've abused this list with more questions than answers but
* Paul Vudmaska <paul@vudmaska.com> [0501 09:01]:
[#101855] elegant way to say "try this thing, one at a time, until condition is met" — David Garamond <lists@...6.isreserved.com>
Example: I need to unmount /usr and /usr2, but currently I can't because
Hi,
nobu.nokada@softhome.net wrote:
[#101885] variable -- set value — orbit@... (orbit)
Whot can I set value for variable which name cosist ather variable?
orbit@klientsky.ru (orbit) wrote in message news:<734420e9.0405310551.2526ea0@posting.google.com>...
[#101899] RMagick available on Windows — Tim Hunter <cyclists@...>
Thanks to Kaspar Schiess, RMagick for Windows is now available at
Question: I'm not too familiar with the way RubyGems works, but I was
On Tuesday, June 1, 2004, 4:19:40 AM, Carl wrote:
[#101923] Distributed wiki idea (was blank--resending) — Carl Youngblood <carl@...>
For a while now I've been really excited about using wikis to store my
> Though I haven't used it, I'm told that this is the idea behind GNU
Re: What so special about PostgreSQL and other RDBMS?
[Oracle and Sybase groups removed] > > > > Realy, care to quote the part of the Contract that Gaurantees you any > > > > rights? > > > > http://oracle.com/support/index.html?policies.html > > > > I asked you to QUOTE the part of the Contract that Guarantees you any > > rights, not post a link to a description of support options and what > > they cost. > That IS the licence agreement. Once again, what I asked Volker was to quote the part of the contract that Gaurantees him any rights, he was of course unable too, this his ugly equivication. > > "Oracle may provide additional releases or versions of its programs > > in the form of an Update as part of our technical support services. It > > may become necessary as a part of Oracle's product lifecycle to > > desupport the programs and, therefore, Oracle reserves the right to > > desupport its programs." > So? That's what desupport notices are for. The good thing is that > you find out beforehand, not after you start asking around because > the latest ftp download is from 1996. Again, trying to imply that free sofwtare is likely to not have been updated since '1996' is another Fallacy, as is usual form the closed-source zealots, since a lot of free software is frequently updated, especialy popular packages, just as many closed-source software is not updated until you pay for a new version, the 'Desupport' notice is in this case simply a gun pointed at your head, to force you to upgrade, I have no idea why the likes of Volker find comfort in these. > > If my application required a cucumber, I wouldn't sign a deal with a > > cucumber vendor that insisted I could only buy cucumbers from them, > > for ever, even if their cucumbers no longer work for me, while they > > could stop providing cucumbers any time they feel like it and still > > forbid me to use my own, proprietary cucumber dependant, application. > > I would, at least, make my application work with any cucumber. > But what if you required a cucumber with special properties, like a monsanto > engineered one which contains some drug you want to sell? I would avoid depenending on, let alone eating monsanto cucumbers. > > This converation has gotten ridiculous, can it be that you really > > don't know the difference between a cucumber and an application > > dependency? > It's a buying decision. You invest money and get a ware. Open source > is only different in that you can go behind the stall and see whether you > can make something of the stuff they dropped. No, in the econonic sence, open source means perfect competion, the consumer wins, closed source means a protected market, the consumer should beware. > > Yet in this case, you could have purchaced gcc support from another > > company, however, without source, you would not have this option. > No, I couldn't because no one else was selling it. Yes, there are plenty of people who will fix a bug in GCC for you, check the GCC contributors list for a starting point. GCC is very widely, and successfully used and many projects large and small, that Volker's company was too stupid to use it, tells you much more about them, than it. > And this after I just detailed how a migration is made way more difficult by > all the other bits that change and that the underlying database is really the > least of Volker can not seem to understand that many applications are different than his, than in many cases the application does not change. In anycase, if the application is abstracted, migrating is at least a little easier, regardless of how much else there is to do, at least the code that needs to change is issolated. > > Worth posting what? Your great advice that developers should *NOT* > > abstract their code? > That they should think before they abstract. They should think in every case. This was never in dispute. They should also think before not abstracting, before chosing a closed-source product, before keeping archives in a format that might be inaccessable later, thus my good advice. > > Too bad you have no actual argument to repeat, you are merely > > repeating your empty rhetoric and unsubstantiated bunk. > That seems so to you because you can't read back more than one quote. No, it is because Volker doesn't have, and have never had a clear argument, whereas my argument has been consisted, and every point defended since my first post. > > > The right to the source code does not mean > > > anything useful, see the part you quoted below. > > > > Yes it does, it's too bad you don't understand it. > > > > If I have the source code, I know I can relly on a product for ever, > > and never talk to the original developer again if I so chose. Withouth > > source, the developer holds all the cards. > You know what, you do that. Use any open source database, and > ten years after the project has been abandoned you go and port > it to another platform, and try to get customers to use it okay? Then > we'll talk again about "forever". Once again, Volker promtes the fallacious belief that open source products will automaticaly have a shorter life span than closed source products, and once again, since their is no logical argument that can made to support such a wacky belief, he resorts to rhetorical pretentions. The truth is that popular products will have a longer lifespan than unpopular products, and since there are popular open source products and unppoular closed source products, his argument is nonsencical. > > Let's take a simple case, say you hired a consultant to write you a > > simple > > application, say a specialized contact manager. > > > > When the project was over, would you let the consultant leave your > > office, only turning over a compiled binary of the application? Or > > would you insist that he provide the source? > Depends on how simple and how frequent my requirements change. Once again, Volker does not understand the need to recompile the programm, even when it has not changed, like for a new cpu, a new OS of because of security update. Again, I guess I should not expect much more from unskilled labour. > If he's the only guy that understands it I'd insist on maintenance > and a customizing possibility (like ActiveX or an integrated tcl interpreter). > If the requirements are volatile I'd do a long term contract detailing what > money he has to pay for getting out of it. And when he gets hit by a bus? > > By the way, we did a bit of chip design before and had a tool made by a small > company situated here near Augsburg. Great tool. There we did what I > said (with the customizing) and we also got the source code. Good. clearly, someone in the company has more brains than Volker. > And you know what? > It was much too much bother even to get it to compile, much less change. > It was always cheaper to let those guys do the work. And what do you think > would have happened if we had wanted them to support code *we* modified? Having source means the *right* and *ability* to have it modified, it does not mean that *need to* or *should* modify it. > > - If a Dead Database means your application is also dead, if > > migration is impossible; having source code can save the day. > My customers won't want a dead database so I'd have do > migrate or die anyway. A free databse is not more likely to become a dead database that a closed-source database. In fact, bacuese it can survive the death of the copyright holding firm, it is less likely to become a dead database. Yet, if the database is dead, at least with source you can go on, if needed, without you can not. > > - If migration is possible, migrating is easier with abstraction. > Weakening the case for the rights ot the source code. No, not at all, making a different case to protetc yourself in a different, complementary way. > > - If you have source *AND* you have abstracted, whoa nelly, you are > > in *really* good shape. > As I said before, database migration isn't hard. Changing a few lines of code in one place is easier than chaniging it out throught a large application. > > - If your data is archived in a self contained, self describing, > > human readable format, why, you are all but invincable. > Another case on not reading what I write. Why does Volker assume I only talking about him and his company, what he is qouting is my repeating my original advice, trying to give him some context of my original suggestions, that he is, for some inexplicable reason, trying to dispute, because he feels my advice is not needed for his obscure application. > > And closed-source applications have never been abondoned??? > Which database do you have in mind? The statement asks where "closed-source applications have never been abondoned" what makes Volker think I have any particular one one mind. > > Another simple question: If your application is abandoned, are you in > > better shape with, or without source code? > I assume, you mean if my database is abandoned. > It doesn't matter because I'll be migrating anyway. And again, my advice including abstraction, makes migrating easier. > > Yeah, what about them? > They are dead. So are most of Volker's brain cells, evidently. > > If you are dependent on them, at least you always have the source code > > and can thus continue to use the product, > I can do that with oracle. With closed source applications you can not continue to use it, because you can not recompile it for your new CPU, your new OS, or for the latest security updates of it's libraries. > > even have it modified if you > > need to. > I can't because it's unmaintainable. Of couse, the intlegent reader will not that you can and all Volker has done is call something 'unmaintainable' with out explaining why. > > Reminder: I am an the one advocating Abstraction, which would make it > > easier to migrate to another database. What the hell are you talking > > about? > No, you are the one talking rights to the source code. Abstraction is > just a side tracking because the right to the source code should, in your > world nullify the need to abstract. No, abstracting, having source code are two good things, having your archives in self-contained, self-describing, human readable files is thr third suggestion I made, all these are good, all of them complimentary. Abstraction is, of course, made more important if you do not have source code. > > And If, for some reason, you *must* repair the database, say the bug > > is simple and is easier to fix than to migrate a large working > > implemtation, at least with the source, you can, without the source > > you can not. > If the program is fixable it wouldn't get abandoned. Another fallacy, a program might be abondoned for many different reasons. > > Leaving the customer stranded because your application is hosed by an > > obsoleted dependency is even a harder sell. > So, we need the original maintainer org to do the maintenance because only in > that case you can get one consistent version hosting all apps, right? No, many orgs can contribute to an open source project, and even maintain there own forks when needed. > And if the db is dead *all* apps would be dead too, right? Only if the case of a close-source db. An open source db can be braugh back to life, or in anycase, kept alive in the one production environment your applucation needs it, until migration is completed. > Where's the difference to a commercial app then? When your closed source db dies, all applications are one security update or server upgrade away from dying with it. > > Without source > > code you can not fix a program. > I can fix a program by telling the vendor to fix it, remember? In the case of closed source application, the vendor can ignore you. > > You can do what you want, my advice is just that, advice, many people > > are in different situtations from you, and have a different point of > > view. > Typically they sit at universities and have access to plenty of cheap and > skilled labour. This is idiotic, and outdated characterisation, and of course, another fallacy, since it does not respond to the quoted statement. > Sometimes I still envy the TeX group at my old university. I am sure the envy is not recipricated. > > > Do you develop for platforms other than linux? > > > > Yes, I have and do develop for many platforms, but *I* am not the > > topic of this thread, despite your desperation. Once again, you only > > attack the arguer because you have no argument. > So, if windows or MacOs is among them I guess you will be dependent > on some libraries and kernel properties that you don't have access to, > right? No, an application may support certain envoronments with being dependent on them. > > In many cases you can aquire a support contract from corporations that > > have the original developers working for them. > Right. At which we are back to the point where open source doesn't give > me an advantage. The only point is that VOlker is unable to understand the advantage, it seems though that he has a bone to pick and does not really want to understand. If any others have further questions, I will be happy to respond, but clearly Volker is just wasting my time and his own. > > > And even if I buy some incident based support contract, there is still > > > no difference from an incident based support contract with oracle. > > > > Yes there is, since you value the original developers so highly, we'll > > try this example. > > > > The best original developer of Oracle, the one with the greatest > > knowledge of the system and code, quits Oracle and goes to work for > > Databases-R-Us, since you have no source, you must continue to deal > > with Oracle, the copyright holder, and can not hire Databases-R-Us, > > who employ the developer. > You are mixing something up here. Oracle doesn't depend on > a single freak but on a well maintained turnover process. Oracle, like any company, does depend on a few highly skilled people who would be difficult to replace, and whole army of unskilled labour to take care of the ruitine stuff. > What you mean is what open source software is famous for. Good, popular, Open source products, of couse also have a good, and quite transperent turnover process, can keep their highly skilled contributers throughout there careers, and are aided by a world wide user community in taking care of the routine stuff. Volker is attempting to portray all free software as being small, hobby, projects, but this is hardly the case at all. PHP, Apache, MySQL are but a few examples of well organized projects that one can certainly relly one. > So, PostgreSQL Inc would be the one we'd be dealing with. > I didn't find Nusphere of Cybertec on PostgreSQL Inc's homepage, > at least not in the partner section. Can't be much love then that's lost > between them. PostgresSQL Inc, BTW way is not PostgreSQL Org, but rather a support company that is but one contributer to PostgreSQL Org. > > However when Oracle lets you talk to a programmer, that is just who > > they let you talk to, some average programmer they picked off the > > street, the good programmers in their organisations to not work in the > > support department, but rather on new features for new versions and > > products to sell. > Actually, that depends on how long the bug stays unresolved. > they escalate bugs. Of course the first guy is there to make sure you've > read the manual but then you get the development guys. Volker, being unskilled labour, easyly thinks that the next line of support os a 'development guy' - -this is not true, you will never get a real developer doing support. > > Or instead of IBM they could have been bought by CA, and fucked up > > royaly. Or just been allowed to disapear. > Databases have customers which are worth a lot. Do you think IBM > bought them for their marvellous technology? No, for there hostages, I agree. > Who is CA? Computer Associates. Be filled with dread if your platform is baught by them. [remaining crap snipped -- I have no more time for this, if I have neglecting to respond to a real argument somewhere in it, please bring it up again] Regards,