[#84651] The new allocation scheme and extensions — Shu-yu Guo <shu@...>
In 1.6, when writing an extension which required Data_Wrap_Struct, the
Hi,
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 06:43:14AM +0900, Shu-yu Guo wrote:
Hello All,
Thomas Adam (thomas_adam16@yahoo.com) wrote:
[#84654] How can I marshall File::Stat, and do file tests? — Sam Roberts <sroberts@...>
Basically, I'm building a Hash of paths to their File::Stat, and
Seems to be a long-standing oddity, discussed in ruby-talk #74175 and
Does nobody really care that this doesn't work? Is it that its fixed in
[#84655] Ruby language reference — Afan Shah <afan_shah@...>
> I have just started using Ruby but I am still unfamiliar with the
The Ruby User's Guide is also helpful:
David D'Andrea wrote:
[#84664] CGI uses file size to distinguish between regular values and files — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>
I've been having a ton of problems handling file uploads with CGI.rb
Hi David,
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 02:29:08PM +0900, Simon Kitching wrote:
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:12:06 +0900, Dmitry Borodaenko wrote:
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 11:40:48PM +0900, Austin Ziegler wrote:
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 04:37:19 +0900, Dmitry Borodaenko wrote:
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 10:29, Austin Ziegler wrote:
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 06:51:43 +0900, Simon Kitching wrote:
Hi,
In article <1067898096.626601.19785.nullmailer@picachu.netlab.jp>,
Hi,
[#84679] 64-bit Ruby on Solaris - solved — "Berger, Daniel" <djberge@...>
All,
[#84681] Re: CGI uses file size to distinguish between regular values and files — "Jesper Olsen" <Jesper@...>
I'm using the CGI module for file upload - I think it works,
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 00:43:49 +0900, Jesper Olsen wrote:
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 01:25:31AM +0900, Austin Ziegler wrote:
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 04:44:50 +0900, Dmitry Borodaenko wrote:
[#84686] Ruby bindings — Elias Athanasopoulos <elathan@...>
Hello!
[#84695] Opening Net::HTTP from mod_ruby script — Dmitry Borodaenko <d.borodaenko@...>
Did anyone try that? While implementing Pingback client[1], I've stuck
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 05:30:31PM +0900, Minero Aoki wrote:
[#84705] exceptions — Simon Kitching <simon@...>
Hi,
[#84735] Managing metadata about attribute types — Simon Kitching <simon@...>
Hi,
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:38:16 +0900, Simon Kitching wrote:
On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 17:09, Austin Ziegler wrote:
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:27:05 +0900, Simon Kitching wrote:
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:13:37 +0900
What a vigorous discussion I seem to have triggered :-)
Hi --
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:45:39 +0900
Ryan Pavlik <rpav@mephle.com> wrote in message news:<20031107184353.002a2059.rpav@mephle.com>...
Ryan,
On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 09:45:24 +0900
Ryan Pavlik wrote:
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 08:11:26 +0900
[#84788] Re: Updating path in windows — "Berger, Daniel" <djberge@...>
> -----Original Message-----
Berger, Daniel wrote:
[#84824] rlex and ryacc — "Luke A. Kanies" <luke@...>
Hi all,
[#84835] Trying to RDoc Ruby 1.8.0 — Jonas Lindstr <jonas.li@...>
Hi all,
Version 0.6.0 of FreeRIDE has been released and is available for download!
[#84845] Power of Interpreted Languages — "T. Onoma" <transami@...>
Some general questiosn concerning interpreted lanaguages (and their JIT couterparts).
[#84847] Long-running daemon acquiring giant memory footprint — Jason DiCioccio <jd@...>
I have written a long-running daemon in ruby to handle dynamic DNS updates.
On Sat, 8 Nov 2003, Jason DiCioccio wrote:
Jason DiCioccio wrote:
[#84854] Segfault in Ruby/ODBC — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...>
My program is causing a segfault under load, and while I'm going to dig in
[#84855] process .wav file? — mike re-v <mrmrmr50@...>
I would like to play a very short sound effect( .wav
[#84900] Antwort: Re: Power of Interpreted Languages — Robert.Koepferl@...
> But, would you implement a game with ruby?
Received: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:21:15 +0900
On Monday 10 November 2003 09:28 am, Gregory Millam wrote:
Hi,
Hi,
If you'll forgive another newbie question:
I think that is a good question!!
I'm having bind problems with TkRoot. I want to detect a window resize. Here
It's late I think I am thinking off base at the moment. Thanks for your help
Things aren't going so well with Ruby's 1.8.1 source and VisualStudio6. Once
Hi,
Ok, I moved over to Borland( because it's free ) and I can't get the
[#84901] Power of Interpreted Languages — "T. Onoma" <transami@...>
> But, would you implement a game with ruby?
[#84904] compiling ruby 1.8.1 (mingw) — KONTRA Gergely <kgergely@...>
Hi!
[#84912] Gateway News-ML is still broken — "Christoph" <chr_news@...>
Hi,
[#84918] debugging ruby extensions — Elias Athanasopoulos <elathan@...>
Hello!
[#84925] IO.readlines bug? (1.6.8 vs 1.8.1) — Daniel Berger <djberge@...>
Hi all,
[#84926] Humorous link — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>
Why isn't Matz here? :)
[#84932] macros — "T. Onoma" <transami@...>
has anyone given any thought to having macros in ruby?
* Tim Hunter; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:00:39 GMT
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 10:27:53AM +0900, Josef 'Jupp' Schugt wrote:
[#84943] Patch for lib/test/unit/ui/gtk/testrunner.rb — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>
Hi,
Michael Neumann [mailto:mneumann@ntecs.de] wrote:
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 11:58:50PM +0900, Nathaniel Talbott wrote:
[#84973] Array#slice oddity... — Matthew Berg <galt@...>
It appears that if you use slice or slice! with a length argument, it
Matthew Berg wrote:
[#84979] Backslash substitution question — "Ron Coutts" <rcoutts@...>
I'm having trouble with backslashes and I don't know what is wrong. I
[#84994] Ruby/OpenSSL bug? — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...>
The following program hangs indefinitely, blocking the whole script. I would
[#85009] problems with rb_str_split() — Ian Macdonald <ian@...>
>>>>> "I" == Ian Macdonald <ian@caliban.org> writes:
On Wed 12 Nov 2003 at 20:02:33 +0900, ts wrote:
>>>>> "I" == Ian Macdonald <ian@caliban.org> writes:
On Thu 13 Nov 2003 at 18:17:27 +0900, ts wrote:
[#85017] There's a RubyForge IRC channel now... — Tom Copeland <tom@...>
...thanks to Harry Vangberg for the suggestion. It's on
On Thursday, November 13, 2003, 3:16:56 AM, Tom wrote:
[#85045] ruby-lang web site & ie — "Christoph" <chr_news@...>
Hi,
So you are suggesting that we put up a link to the Mozilla website?
Daniel Carrera wrote:
[#85068] Re: Need some addition in Ruby/Tk — Ferenc Engard <ferenc@...>
Hello,
[#85082] Singletons and Marshalling — Charles Hixson <charleshixsn@...>
Does anyone know how singleton's and marshalling interact?
[#85097] substring: to the end of the string — KONTRA Gergely <kgergely@...>
Hi!
[#85104] Microsoft's C/C++ compiler freely available — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...>
Thought this might be interesting to those stuck on win32...
Question:
Daniel Carrera [mailto:dcarrera@math.umd.edu] wrote:
[#85111] def — "T. Onoma" <transami@...>
what is this def?
[#85113] array -> list — Wybo Dekker <wybo@...>
Is there a way to convert an array to a (parameter-)list?
[#85121] Re: def — "T. Onoma" <transami@...>
i ask b/c i was thinking it would be good if def actually returned a value, i.e. the symbol of the method being defined.
[#85129] eRuby and URL rewriting — "Orion Hunter" <orion2480@...>
I am in the process of doing some web page authoring using eRuby.
[#85146] Local Variable Scope in Ruby2 — "Gavri Savio Fernandez" <Gavri_F@...>
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 03:08:26AM +0900, Gavri Savio Fernandez wrote:
[#85148] Ruby Extension/DLL Help — "Andy Pelzer" <Andy.Pelzer@...>
Hi,
[#85170] multi line comments in ruby — Artur Merke <merke@...>
Hi,
[#85195] Old style assignment — Michael Thomas <mthomas1234@...>
I got the following warning. Can anyone tell me what the new style is?
[#85205] to_i — Artur Merke <merke@...>
Hi,
[#85218] Access ftp-server through proxy — Kristian Sensen <ks@...>
[#85283] newbie: cgi,read URI — "Robby Jansch" <r.jansch@...>
Hello Newsgroup,
[#85307] Reason #642 to use Ruby instead of C++ -Carpal Tunnel Syndrome — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)
Hi!
[#85330] Yet Another Rite Thought: method combination — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com>
I just looked at matz' slides and I don't have a clear understanding
>>>>> "R" == Robert Klemme <bob.news@gmx.net> writes:
ts wrote:
>>>>> "C" == Christoph <chr_mail@gmx.net> writes:
[#85341] Michael Granger's RDoc template — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>
Hi -talk,
Gavin Sinclair wrote:
On Monday, November 17, 2003, 11:24:25 PM, Peter wrote:
Hi!
* Josef 'Jupp' SCHUGT <jupp@gmx.de> [Nov, 17 2003 22:50]:
Hi!
[#85344] Fileutils.cp bug? — Chad Fowler <chad@...>
I'm experiencing the following behavior in the latest CVS copy of ruby on
Hi,
[#85410] Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311171402340.1133-100000@ool-4355dfae.dyn.optonline.net> — Thien Vuong <tvuong@...>
[#85421] Again, Rite explanation needed (keyword args and new hash syntax) — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com>
Hi gurus and nubys,
[#85423] Anyone runs tdiary 1.5.6? — Gour <gour@...>
Hi!
[#85434] testing argument type and duck typing, newbie question — Raphael Bauduin <raphael.bauduin@...>
Hi,
[#85465] File#rewind, File#syswrite, File#pos on Cygwin build — Alan Davies <NOSPAMcs96and@...>
On the cygwin build of ruby v1.8.0, I have encountered a strange bug
[#85488] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) )<Pine.LNX.4.44.0311171402340.1133-100000@ool-435 5dfae.dyn.optonline.net> — "Weirich, James" <James.Weirich@...>
David Black (dblack@wobblini.net) wrote:
On Wed, 2003-11-19 at 10:30, Weirich, James wrote:
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 07:06:24AM +0900, Simon Kitching wrote:
On Tuesday 18 November 2003 02:06 pm, Simon Kitching wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:08:25 +0900, Sean O'Dell wrote:
On Tuesday 18 November 2003 10:30 pm, Austin Ziegler wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 02:43:31 +0900, Sean O'Dell wrote:
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 12:04 pm, Austin Ziegler wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:48:37 +0900, Sean O'Dell wrote:
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 03:00 pm, Austin Ziegler wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:19:08 +0900, Sean O'Dell wrote:
On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 14:06, Austin Ziegler wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:52:17 +0900, Thien Vuong wrote:
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 10:47 pm, Austin Ziegler wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 02:20:04 +0900, Sean O'Dell wrote:
On Thursday 20 November 2003 10:54 am, Austin Ziegler wrote:
Hi --
Hi,
On Thursday 20 November 2003 02:04 pm, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
Hi,
On Thursday 20 November 2003 06:47 pm, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
Hi,
On Thursday 20 November 2003 07:58 pm, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
Hi,
On Friday 21 November 2003 11:20 am, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
My own views on interface crystallization:
On Friday 21 November 2003 02:20 am, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
Hi,
On Saturday, November 22, 2003, 10:53:39 AM, Yukihiro wrote:
>>>>> "G" == Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@soyabean.com.au> writes:
On Saturday, November 22, 2003, 11:47:50 PM, ts wrote:
>>>>> "G" == Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@soyabean.com.au> writes:
ts wrote:
>>>>> "C" == Christoph <chr_mail@gmx.net> writes:
ts wrote:
ts wrote:
On Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 11:15:04PM +0900, Christoph wrote:
On Sunday, November 23, 2003, 1:15:04 AM, Christoph wrote:
>>>>> "G" == Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@soyabean.com.au> writes:
On Sunday, November 23, 2003, 1:56:57 AM, ts wrote:
>>>>> "G" == Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@soyabean.com.au> writes:
On Thursday 20 November 2003 02:40 pm, Chad Fowler wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Sean O'Dell wrote:
Hi Sean,
On Thursday 20 November 2003 05:51 pm, Peter wrote:
> I am not sure exactly how Haskell works, but it sounds like perhaps
On Friday 21 November 2003 02:28 am, Peter wrote:
Hi --
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 10:33 am, David A. Black wrote:
Hi,
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 11:14 am, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 04:45:56 +0900, Sean O'Dell wrote:
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 12:29 pm, Austin Ziegler wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 06:02:05 +0900, Sean O'Dell wrote:
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 01:45 pm, Austin Ziegler wrote:
[#85503] String startswith/endswith in Ruby? — Dave Benjamin <ramen@...>
Hi all,
il Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:03:54 +0900, Harry Ohlsen
[#85518] Multi-dimensioned sparse array ? — Charles Hixson <charleshixsn@...>
Does anyone have an implementation of a multi-dimensioned sparse array?
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:21:19 +0900, Charles Hixson wrote:
[#85526] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) )<Pine.LNX.4.44.0311171402340.1133-100000@ool-4355dfae.dyn.optonline.net> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311181524130.2236-100000@ool-4355dfae.dyn.optonline.net> — Thien Vuong <tvuong@...>
[Apologies to anyone whose threading is getting messed up by the
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 03:55 am, dblack@wobblini.net wrote:
Hi --
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 10:27 am, David A. Black wrote:
Hi,
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 11:05 am, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
Hi,
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 12:47 pm, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Sean O'Dell wrote:
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 11:46 am, Chad Fowler wrote:
Sean O'Dell wrote:
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 12:42 pm, Maik Schmidt wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 06:08:30 +0900, Sean O'Dell wrote:
"Sean O'Dell" <sean@celsoft.com> writes:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Sean O'Dell wrote:
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 01:01 pm, Chad Fowler wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 03:52:30 +0900, Sean O'Dell wrote:
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 01:03 pm, Austin Ziegler wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 06:29:12 +0900, Sean O'Dell wrote:
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 03:48 pm, Austin Ziegler wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:53:21 +0900, Sean O'Dell wrote:
qyyOn Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Sean O'Dell wrote:
On Thursday 20 November 2003 08:58 am, Chad Fowler wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 02:35:05 +0900, Sean O'Dell wrote:
On Thursday 20 November 2003 11:15 am, Austin Ziegler wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 02:51:02 +0900, Sean O'Dell wrote:
[#85536] Encoding in ruby/tk internals — Nikolay Ponomarenko <ts@...>
Hello ruby-talk peoples,
[#85543] Re: $& write-protected? — ts <decoux@...>
>>>>> "S" == Simon Strandgaard <none> writes:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:49:27 +0100, ts wrote:
[#85547] x.f! RCR — Greg McIntyre <greg@...>
It bugs me that some methods have a ! on the end and some don't. It
Maik Schmidt <contact@maik-schmidt.de> wrote:
Greg McIntyre wrote:
[#85570] break in yield/block — mhm26@... (matt)
Is there any reason that break acts differently in a block passed to a
[#85574] Ruby and RRDTool — "David Douthitt" <DDouthitt@...>
Does anyone have a ruby library or whatever that makes it easy to use RRDTool?
[#85575] Re: Duck Type System? ( was: stereotyping...er...way too long :) — "David Douthitt" <DDouthitt@...>
Speaking of funny.....
[#85606] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) — "Weirich, James" <James.Weirich@...>
> But again, that flexibility is LOST when you have to pass an
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 11:47 am, Weirich, James wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:17:10 +0900, Sean O'Dell wrote:
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 01:25 pm, Austin Ziegler wrote:
[#85616] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — "Weirich, James" <James.Weirich@...>
From: Austin Ziegler [mailto:austin@halostatue.ca]
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 12:37 pm, Weirich, James wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 06:05:21 +0900, Sean O'Dell wrote:
[#85698] Re: "stereotyping" — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...>
Sean O'Dell wrote:
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 07:01 pm, Michael Campbell wrote:
Sean O'Dell wrote:
Michael campbell wrote:
Clifford Heath wrote:
Julian Fitzell wrote:
Clifford Heath wrote:
Julian Fitzell wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:33:39 +0900, Clifford Heath wrote:
Austin Ziegler wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:13:36 +0900, Clifford Heath wrote:
[#85710] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) — "T. Onoma" <transami@...>
Simon:
[#85713] Re: [ANN] win32-clipboard 0.1.0 — Daniel Berger <djberg96@...>
Oops - forgot the link:
You know what I would use this for? If I ever got around to it? :)
Hal Fulton wrote:
Harry Ohlsen wrote:
> Well, why don't we knock it out, then? What's your GUI of choice?
Harry Ohlsen wrote:
[#85719] "stereotyping" thread — Wesley J Landaker <wjl@...>
Why not just use empty modules for all this type-checking? This isn't
Hi --
[#85766] learning the "Ruby way" — mark.wirdnam@... (Mark Wirdnam)
**Hobby-programmer alarm**
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Mark Wirdnam wrote:
"Zachary P. Landau" <kapheine@hypa.net> wrote:
[#85785] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — "T. Onoma" <transami@...>
Guy:
>>>>> "T" == T Onoma <transami@runbox.com> writes:
[#85794] Re: retry does not work — "T. Onoma" <transami@...>
matz:
[#85803] behaviour change of String#gsub(pattern) {|m| ... } for ruby 1.9/ruby2? — David Garamond <lists@...6.isreserved.com>
String#gsub(pattern) {|m| ... }
Hi,
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:57:58 +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
[#85807] — "Jesper Olsen" <jolsen@...2world.com>
I am currently using ruby's mysql extention.
[#85821] iterator 0.1 — Simon Strandgaard <qj5nd7l02@...>
homepage:
[#85870] Re: "stereotyping" — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...>
Sean O'Dell wrote:
On Thursday 20 November 2003 11:07 am, Michael Campbell wrote:
* Sean O'Dell <sean@celsoft.com> [1144 19:44]:
> From: Rasputin [mailto:rasputin@idoru.mine.nu]
[#85886] Partial Euphoric Type Checking — "T. Onoma" <transami@...>
Greetings all Type Checkers!
quack! quack! I added duck typing capability to my euphoric type checking
Now some for some rally crazy cross thought. First a complete interface
for some cross rally some thought crazy. ( read: i need a type system for my
> you see we have a problem here. it doesn't matter what methods are
> > you see we have a problem here. it doesn't matter what methods are
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:53:49 +0900, Peter wrote:
[#85888] New Type Checking System Idea — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...>
Taking comments into consideration, a totally new approach strikes me
I like your idea, Sean, but it's too much effort! If it is onerous then
On Thursday 20 November 2003 04:37 pm, Greg McIntyre wrote:
[#85910] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — "Weirich, James" <James.Weirich@...>
> In sean's case, class and/or module were sufficient to define
[#85947] RubyConf 2003 Presentations Posted — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...>
In absolute record time (5 days compared to 3 months), rubyconf 2003
[#85989] Ripper (Ruby Language Parser) to be imported in the standard library? — surrender_it@... (gabriele renzi @ google)
Hi gurus and nubys,
Hi,
[#86007] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — "Weirich, James" <James.Weirich@...>
> This is a wonderful idea. Let me restate it to make sure I
[#86011] Re: "stereotyping" (was: Re: Strong Typing (Re: Managing metadata about attribute types) ) — "Weirich, James" <James.Weirich@...>
> It seems that you could only pre-assert that objects going in
[#86072] Thread issues with ruby 1.8.0 on OpenBSD 3.3 — Rick Nooner <rick@...>
I'm seeing problems with threading using ruby 1.8.0 on OpenBSD 3.3.
>>>>> "R" == Rick Nooner <rick@nooner.net> writes:
[#86088] Invoking method with a block in C extension — "Dmitry V. Sabanin" <sdmitry@...>
Hi.
[#86119] HTML Generation (Next Generation CGI) — "John W. Long" <ng@...>
Hi,
[#86127] Ruby classes for MP3 de-/encoding — Dennis Oelkers <dennis@...>
Hello folks,
On Sat, 2003-11-22 at 13:07, Dennis Oelkers wrote:
In article <20031122191549.GB3071@tachyon.bsdgeek.net>,
On Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 06:22:16AM +0900, Phil Tomson wrote:
[#86128] 'with' proposal — Elias Athanasopoulos <elathan@...>
Hello!
[#86147] Standard Library Docs online at ruby-doc.org — "jbritt@..." <jbritt@...>
The HTML output from the RDoc comments from Gavin Sinclair's stdlib-doc
[#86158] Ruby - C++ extension — Elias Athanasopoulos <elathan@...>
Hello!
[#86162] 64bit timestamp library — David Garamond <lists@...6.isreserved.com>
I'm looking for a 64bit timestamp definition/standard with suitable
[#86169] Re: Using Vruby instead of VB ? — "Berger, Daniel" <djberge@...>
> -----Original Message-----
[#86183] "wrong argument type nil (expected String)" from Dir.chdir — Tim Kynerd <vxbrw58s02@...>
I'm running Ruby 1.6.8.
[#86189] Time#succ ? — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>
Should this be added? It would enable the creation
[#86202] Message "Insecure world writable dir ..." — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>
When File.popen() is passed an executable whose path contains a world writable directory, it produces a warning message.
Hi,
Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
> Hi Matz,
On Nov 24, 2003, at 17:18, Harry Ohlsen wrote:
Thien Vuong wrote:
[#86215] Library path relative to current .rb file — zoranlazarevic@... (Zoran Lazarevic)
One of the most irritating (missing) features of Ruby is inability to
On Monday, November 24, 2003, 8:02:12 PM, Zoran wrote:
On Tuesday, November 25, 2003, 8:09:36 AM, Andrew wrote:
On Tuesday 25 Nov 2003 9:21 am, Gavin Sinclair wrote:
On Wednesday, November 26, 2003, 5:59:45 AM, Andrew wrote:
On Tuesday 25 Nov 2003 8:53 pm, Gavin Sinclair wrote:
[#86222] redirect stdout — "T. Onoma" <transami@...>
I need to temporarily redirect standard output to nowhere. Not sure how to do.
T. Onoma (transami@runbox.com) wrote:
[#86227] using variables in regular expressions — Damphyr <damphyr@...>
Being lazy, forgetful and generally very bad with regular expressions
[#86237] YAML self reference issue — Steve Tuckner <STUCKNER@...>
I wonder if anyone has an explanation for the behavior of my yamltest.rb
On Monday 24 November 2003 05:40 pm, Steve Tuckner wrote:
[#86259] Exit status on cmd executed via popen() — Garance A Drosihn <drosih@...>
Sometimes I write ruby scripts to filter the output of some
[#86265] raise unless RUBY_VERSION[%r/^\s*\d+\.\d+/o].to_f >= 1.8 — "Ara.T.Howard" <ahoward@...>
Moin!
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Florian Gross wrote:
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 08:32:14AM +0900, Ara.T.Howard wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Paul Brannan wrote:
[#86309] ThreadError w/WEBrick — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...>
I have a WEBrick server that runs fine for over three days, and then starts
[#86310] Range does not take an Range object. — Tomoyuki Kosimizu <greentea@...2.so-net.ne.jp>
Range#include? does not take a Range object. It is strange for me.
[#86320] For science fiction fans... — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>
For those who care about such things, I have a short story
[#86326] exceptions in tk after procs? — Ferenc Engard <ferenc@...>
Hello,
[#86343] Backtrace without skips needed — Tobias Peters <tpeters@...>
Is there a way to tell ruby that it must never skip levels in the
[#86344] Re: Controlled block variables — "T. Onoma" <transami@...>
On Wednesday 26 November 2003 09:10 am, Guy Decoux wrote:
I actually have wondered in the past why there isn't an #eval that takes
On Wednesday 26 November 2003 03:57 pm, Dan Doel wrote:
T. Onoma wrote:
On Wednesday 26 November 2003 10:24 pm, Dan Doel wrote:
From T. Onama:
On Friday 28 November 2003 02:40 am, Gavin Sinclair wrote:
From T. Onama:
On Friday 28 November 2003 04:59 am, Gavin Sinclair wrote:
>>>>> "T" == T Onoma <transami@runbox.com> writes:
On Wednesday 26 November 2003 09:56 am, ts wrote:
Hi T,
On Wednesday 26 November 2003 12:05 pm, Pit Capitain wrote:
From T. Onama:
Hi T.
On Friday 28 November 2003 11:49 pm, Pit Capitain wrote:
On Wednesday 26 November 2003 09:56 am, ts wrote:
>>>>> "T" == T Onoma <transami@runbox.com> writes:
On Wednesday 26 November 2003 04:11 pm, ts wrote:
[#86360] turning a string into array of ASCII bytes — David Garamond <lists@...6.isreserved.com>
What is the shortest, most straightforward way (without temporary
On 2003-11-26 14:39:45, David Garamond wrote:
On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 04:14:43PM +0100, Stefan Scholl wrote:
[#86391] Method wrapping — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>
I've come late into the thread on this, and I haven't read all
>>>>> "H" == Hal Fulton <hal9000@hypermetrics.com> writes:
ts wrote:
I've got a class called Email and right now i have:
Hi,
Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
Hi,
On Thursday 27 November 2003 07:07 am, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
On Thursday, November 27, 2003, 5:56:13 PM, T. wrote:
On Thursday 27 November 2003 08:22 am, Gavin Sinclair wrote:
Hi,
On Thursday 27 November 2003 10:22 am, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
> I have asked the same this question as well and I really wish
From: Peter wrote:
> This sound all good and well however this does not change the
Peter wrote:
> You realize that you on are speculative grounds claiming that
Peter wrote:
> |2. If they do stack, is it possible to redefine a method as we
[#86395] TCP/IP in Ruby — BCoish@... (Brad)
All:
[#86431] Ruby advertisement article [Computerwoche] — Armin Roehrl <armin@...>
Hi all,
Hi,
[#86497] Re: Access MS SQL Server 2000? — Lennie DeVilliers <Lennie@...>
Hello,
[#86534] Installing Docs (Was Re: Library directory structure on windows) — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>
On Friday, November 28, 2003, 2:11:34 AM, Gavri wrote:
[#86550] pre/post question/idea — "David A. Black" <dblack@...>
Hello --
On Friday 28 November 2003 03:32 am, David A. Black wrote:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2003, David A. Black wrote:
> which to me has a bit of a "spliced onto the language" feel (which
On Friday 28 November 2003 10:32 am, Robert Klemme wrote:
[#86552] Re: pre/post question/idea — David Naseby <david.naseby@...>
>-----Original Message-----
[#86555] State of JRuby? — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>
Does anyone know the current state of JRuby? From the web page it seems
On 11/27/2003 10:13 PM, Daniel Carrera wrote:
Joey Gibson wrote:
[#86574] Baker — "T. Onoma" <transami@...>
I would like to tell you about a project I started called Baker:
[#86577] bug in ruby/tk in ruby 1.8.0 ? — "Alexander Neundorf" <a.neundorf-work@...>
Hi,
[#86601] gtk/testrunner.rb:375: undefined superclass `ListItem' ??? — Lucian Suciu <Lucian.Suciu@...>
Hi All,
[#86610] gtk2/testrunner.rb:231:in `test_progress_bar': undefined method `[]' — Lucian Suciu <Lucian.Suciu@...>
>
[#86616] Need library for parsing configuration files — "Gavri Savio Fernandez" <Gavri_F@...>
hi,
On Friday 28 November 2003 06:48 pm, Gavri Savio Fernandez wrote:
[#86625] ruby-dev summary: 21928-22011 — Masayoshi Takahashi <maki@...>
Hello all,
[#86634] selfassignment and close — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>
I would like to overload the '+=' operator. But it doesn't seems to be
[#86646] Underpinnings of Method Wrapping — "T. Onoma" <transami@...>
Its important that we clearly seperate the issue of "surface" syntax from the
> Thoughts?
On Saturday 29 November 2003 12:44 am, Peter wrote:
> I originally had a small paragraph touching on this, but I took it out b/c I
On Saturday 29 November 2003 04:26 pm, Peter wrote:
> The join-points are the only thing required to facilitate all of this. So I
On Sunday 30 November 2003 01:01 am, Peter wrote:
On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 11:53:25AM +0900, T. Onoma wrote:
On Sunday 30 November 2003 10:38 am, Mauricio Fern疣dez wrote:
> How would they know? ;-)
On Sunday 30 November 2003 03:57 pm, Peter wrote:
> > I like the proper separation, but why pre and post for extrinsic and def
On Sunday 30 November 2003 09:39 pm, Peter wrote:
> You're absolutely right. Hmm...Granted this is acting in accordance to an
On Monday 01 December 2003 12:25 am, Peter wrote:
> I was thinking about the terms. To really distinguish these two types of wraps
On Monday 01 December 2003 06:58 pm, Peter wrote:
> OK as in so-so, or OK as in yes? If just so-so we'll find something better. I
Peter:
[snip]
On Wednesday 03 December 2003 03:21 am, Peter wrote:
Here is an intereseting problem that I'm currently facing and which is related
> As always, I may be over looking the obvious. But if anyone has a current
On Sunday 07 December 2003 08:02 pm, Peter wrote:
Hi Tom,
On Tuesday 09 December 2003 01:05 am, Peter wrote:
> QUICK SIDE NOTE: might be nice to have something for all those dang ends. How
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 05:16 am, Peter wrote:
> Mine too! But I was joking :) Well, half way. It would be nice to have a good
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 05:55 pm, Peter wrote:
> Well, I thought of using the underscores to allow one to indent as needed to
T. Onoma <transami@runbox.com>:
On Thursday 11 December 2003 04:04 am, Peter wrote:
> Some people...I tell you. Hey, I know! How about I put in an RCR for 'alias e
On Thursday 11 December 2003 06:43 pm, Peter wrote:
> They do make sense, very good sense. And you make a good point. The problem is
Sorry, about the delay. Been working on sandboxing program compiling/
[#86651] re-raising an exception with the original backtrace — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...>
[#86655] anything disappearing from Ruby for 2.0? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...>
Hi --
Hi,
Hi!
Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
Hi,
> |Ack, no more:
Hi,
Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
On Sunday 30 November 2003 03:34 am, Florian Gross wrote:
> Candidates are:
Hi!
[#86661] rdoc included in standard distribution? — Chad Fowler <chad@...>
I've seen various plans for this dating back more than a year. Is it
Hi,
Hi,
On Sunday, November 30, 2003, 9:51:38 PM, Yukihiro wrote:
[#86669] Class-level readers and writers — Carl Youngblood <carl@...>
I've been working with the class attribute shortcuts that Hal introduced
Hi --
> (Just as a footnote, you can also use "normal" accessor shortcuts at
Hi --
David A. Black wrote:
On Sunday, November 30, 2003, 8:59:15 AM, Christoph wrote:
Hi --
On Saturday 29 November 2003 10:59 pm, Christoph wrote:
Hello --
On Sunday 30 November 2003 12:11 pm, David A. Black wrote:
Hi --
>>>>> "D" == David A Black <dblack@wobblini.net> writes:
Hi --
David A. Black wrote:
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Christoph wrote:
David A. Black wrote:
Hi --
David A. Black wrote:
Hi --
>>>>> "D" == David A Black <dblack@wobblini.net> writes:
Hi --
[#86673] New to ruby--trouble with initializing arrays — vanjac12@... (Van Jacques)
I am writing a practice program; the Game of Life. Naturally I am having troubles.
[#86674] Where should people who are new to ruby go for help? — vanjac12@... (Van Jacques)
Is this the place for people who are new to ruby to post for help?
[#86676] regexp splitting problem — Brett S Hallett <dragoncity@...>
Hi,
[#86683] ruby game of life program — vanjac12@... (Van Jacques)
Finally its right. It seems so obvious now. I thought I could
[#86685] rake task library — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...>
Is there any effort underway to compile a rake task library, the way ant
[#86717] Ruby vs Python (IMHO) — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>
Hi all,
In article <20031129184817.GA1426@math.umd.edu>,
DC = Daniel Carrera
[#86731] TCPSocket -> Wrong error on Windows? — Stephan K舂per <Stephan.Kaemper@...>
Hi all,
[#86751] class << x — Greg McIntyre <greg@...>
[ruby-talk:86745] reminded me of something I was going to ask.
[#86775] File::Stat and file flags — Manfred Lotz <manfred.lotz@...>
In the UFS file system of FreeBSD a file can have special flags.
Hi,
[#86784] Re: anything disappearing from Ruby for 2.0? — "Gavri Savio Fernandez" <Gavri_F@...>
> From: Chris Uppal [mailto:chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org]
Gavri Savio Fernandez wrote:
Chris Uppal wrote:
[#86802] Working with Ring/Rinda — "Shashank Date" <sdate@...>
I need some help in understanding the Ring API (even if it is "unstable" per
Re: Managing metadata about attribute types
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:27:43 +0900
Austin Ziegler <austin@halostatue.ca> wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:08:04 +0900, Ryan Pavlik wrote:
<snip>
> > This is demonstrably wrong.
>
> Actually, it's demonstrably correct. It's exactly to the point and
> perfectly accurate regarding how one should deal with data in a
> dynamically typed language such as Ruby. In Text::Format, I have a
> method #hyphenator= which accepts any object that responds to
> #hyphenate_to with an arity of 2 or 3. I explicitly reject any other
> object. In documentation, I make it clear that #hyphenate_to should
> return an array of two objects. In this way, I don't care what
> *class* an object is, I just care that it's type is a hyphenator (as
> defined above).
This is a specific case that does not generalize.
> > An object cannot validate and transform its own data in this
> > context in any reasonably general manner.
>
> Your StrongTyping module doesn't help with this, either, Ryan. It's
> not a conversion module.
Actually it does, but not the way you think. The point in using the
ST module is not the type verification; many ruby people get too hung
up on the type checking bit.
The real area of interest is the fact it _documents_ what you want;
you can ask it what type it is expecting with the various query
functions the ST module provides.
> > It's simple when you're addressing a few basic types... String,
> > Float, Integer, Hash and Array.
>
> Not really. If I were to do the following:
<big typechecking examples snipped>
> If you know you're going to be doing something that could leave
> things in an intermediate state, ensure that they don't get left in
> such a state. The bridge is closed when you pass "m" as a string.
Again, this misses the point. The original question was "how do I ask
what a particular thing wants?" My answer was to use the ST module,
because you do exactly that:
class Foo
def foo=(x); expect(x, Numeric); @x=x; end
end
Or more conveniently:
class Foo
attr_accessor_typed Numeric, :foo
end
Now you can simple say:
foo = Foo.new
t = get_arg_types(foo.method(:foo=)) # => [[Numeric]]
Now, how is this useful? We can do "third-party" input processing,
where it properly belongs. Having this code in either the source
class (String) or the destination class (for the XML) is wrong, since
it results in unnecessary coupling, and thus limits extensibility.
As a third party, we can have an interface for extending the input
processing from any position.
> > * We just don't allow it. This does no good for us.
>
> But this is *exactly* what StrongTyping does, Ryan. It doesn't allow
> types that it doesn't know how to deal with.
No, Austin, this isn't what it's about. This is not about type
checking arguments passed to a method---that's just a handy side
effect in this case. It's about querying beforehand.
<snip>
> > Using #to_* methods are the ruby equivalent of type casting. The
> > point in this case is not to _convert_ types, it's to provide the
> > right type in the first place. Instead of giving the attribute a
> > string and expecting it to be parsed, we want to create the
> > desired type and hand that off.
>
> Oh, bollocks. Item's @cost is expected to work as a float. Not an
> integer, a float. If I want to ensure that it works as a float,
> Item#cost= should attempt to *make* the provided parameter into a
> float. If someone is going to pass me something that can't be
> converted to what I expect, they're going to get an error. If I'm
> expecting a Foo, though, then I should probably do something like:
>
> def foo=(x)
> @x = Foo(x)
> end
Er, that works in C++, but not ruby, unless you define a Foo()
function. I'm not sure ruby will allow both a Foo class and a Foo
function, but either way it's not any sort of working standard.
However, given Foo(x) makes a Foo out of x, this is definitely not a
good solution. We want a Foo. Any Foo should work...
class Bar < Foo
:
end
...even if it's a Bar. Inheritence is one of the big three of OOP;
doing the sort of re-creation you have here defeats the point. Even
C++ typecasting preserves the identity of a thing.
> That's *if* a Foo can be converted from other types. Or, maybe, I'm
> just looking for a particular method call, in which case I can
> defensively program as I did with Text::Format. Can it still be
> bitten by someone who accepts the parameters in a different order or
> expects different things? Sure. But that's not exactly something
> that I can program against in any case ... unless I'm using strong
> typing, and IMO that does the wrong thing.
I'm not sure what you mean by "the wrong thing"; since you've been
focusing solely on strict type checking, that may be it. I fail to
see how this is "the wrong thing", though.
In any case, you could conceivably use ST to handle this case. I've
been contemplating a module that augments this and provides call
context and semantics in addition to types. Duck typing people may
like this more, since it would do implicit type conversions. You
wouldn't care what arguments a method took; you'd provide it with the
data at hand, coupled with its semantic documentation:
def foo(*args)
x, y = find_in_context([:x, Float, :point],
[:y, Float, :point])
:
end
We could call it in a number of ways:
# Specify semantics explicitly:
foo(:x => 1, :y => 2)
# "Point" would have semantic tagging for :point, :x, and :y:
point = Point.new(1, 2)
foo(point)
# Have one in context:
context_push Point.new(0, 0)
Circle.new # Both gather their point
foo # from the existing context
Ambiguity and insufficient data would both raise exceptions.
Conceivably these could raise to the user level, and have the user
provide discernment or additional data.
Programming with a context pool is exceedingly useful in a number of
areas, but I'm straying far from the original point. One of the bits
of information here is still type, and for the _same_reason_ I
discussed above: so a third party can query and handle things.
> Note that I've done much the same thing with Ruwiki recently -- I've
> abstracted out what a Ruwiki::Wiki::Token needs to know into a
> Handler. It responds to certain methods. As the needs for what a
> Wiki Token needs to know increase, the Handler will increase as
> well. I'm not even checking to see if the token handler is a
> specific class. I just expect that it will respond to those methods.
I tried a similar thing once (actually it was quite a bit different in
application, but similar in form), but found it leads to far too much
information redundancy. I should be able to say, once, "this is what
this means, this is what this wants, this is what it does". I
shouldn't have to write it again for every class. Granted, if you
only have one class (Ruwiki::Wiki::Token), then it's not much of a
problem.
But the ability to query the type it wants lets you solve the problem
in a general manner, so you don't have to do it again for _any_ class,
and you can extend the general case with a minimal amount of
additional code.
Basically, when I have 200 classes, I don't want another 200 classes
to do interpretation. It makes the idea of writing that 201st class
not seem very pleasant.
> As Rich Kilmer said, are you checking for behaviour or namespace?
OK, let's look at it this way. Say we write things in a duck-typed
manner. We could provide something similar to ST for efficient
checking:
def foo(h)
expect_duck h, :[], :[]=
:
h["something"] = ...
:
end
Right? We treat it not by type, but what it acts like. It provides
us with #[] and #[]=, so (ignoring any semantic issues) it's enough of
a duck for us.
Now, this may begin to get tedious:
def foo(a, b)
expect_duck a, [:first, :last, :[], :each],
b, [:first, :last, :[], :each]
:
end
So, after a time, we start defining common sets so we don't have to do
that every time:
ARRAY_DUCK = [:first, :last, :[], :each]
def foo(a, b)
expect_duck a, ARRAY_DUCK, b, ARRAY_DUCK
:
end
Now, you probably see where I'm going with this. Where I've already
gone, actually. This is a simple reinvention of classes, just lacking
important semantic information.
You can also treat a class (or module) itself as the behavioral
specification, and with it you gain the important semantic
differentiation between the proverbial ducks and platypuses.
You can simply ask, "is this a Foo?", and know that it will act like
you want. When you make a thing that acts like a Foo, you can
subclass or include Foo, to show what you mean.
> > It has nothing to do with the #attr= function. Strict type
> > checking at that point is merely a convenience. It's all about
> > getting the input into a useful format without writing n^2
> > functions (for n classes). This is the primary reason I wrote
> > StrongTyping in fact; the strict checking has merely helped with
> > debugging a whole lot.
>
> It has *everything* to do with the #attr= function in the case given.
> The OP is dealing with an XML document, which means that everything
> is a string and #to_f works.
Austin, as above, not every type may be a simple string, float,
integer, array, or hash. There are no other standard #to_* functions.
(Even array and hash are pushing that one.) It would require either
String know how to interpret every type, or the procs you write
know how to interpret every type. Eventually you're going to want to
add more types, and this method doesn't really allow for inheritence,
and it's not otherwise very extensible.
<snip>
> The problem here is ultimately that your objects have to know what
> they expect and how they are expected to be used *in general*. If
> you've got Item#cost, you can expect that it will be used in
> mathematic operations. You'll probably do such operations yourself.
> So, why not do some sort of conversion on the data to make it into
> what you expect it will be when you're defining your attribute
> accessor?
The question is where it should be done. This is a perfect example.
Money should never (ever!) be done with Floats. People don't like it
when they lose money due to lack of precision.
I've had to write a Currency module which uses integers, but provides
various currency formats and manipulations. If we had Item#cost, we
could not solve the problem with #to_* conversions:
class Item
attr_accessor proc { |x| x.to_?? } :cost
end
What do we convert to? What we want is Currency---it doesn't matter
what type. It could be USD, Euros, Yen, or whatever. There is no
general #to_currency, and we can't just convert it to an integer,
because we lose what the integer means (200 USD is not Y200). We
don't really have anything to demand that it responds to; currency is
more or less a number like anything else, it just has a unit attached.
With StrongTyping, it's easy:
class Item
attr_accessor Currency, :cost
end
Now, _before_ we take "$200.05" and assign it to cost, the ST module
allows us to ask what it wants, and we can, as a third party, know how
to convert input type (a String) to the desired type (Currency).
(In this case, for a general solution, I'd recommend something like
the conversion table I discussed in [ruby-talk:74206].)
> A lot of people coming from strict typing backgrounds forget that
> this is done implicitly by the compiler ... or rather, because the
> type is strictly specified it isn't necessary to do such
> conversions. They're done automatically when the types can be
> converted.
Yes, but they're both standard and extensible. In C++ I can do:
operator int() {
return (int)this->something;
}
and when I "(int)thing", that routine gets called. OTOH, I don't
think this is really the right solution, as this sort of thing is too
coupled with static typing, and static typing and OOP have no business
being in the same language.
> P.S. It was suggested that:
> attr_accessor proc { |x| x.to_f }, :cost
> is overkill. Thus, the version I attached last night includes:
> attr_accessor [:cost] => :to_f
> I may add other enhancements to that mechanism (as providing
> multiple method symbols in an array and chaining them).
<snip>
Now, with all I've said above, I haven't really addressed
attr-with-proc stuff. Actually, I think it'd be a pretty neat idea to
be able to tag extra code onto attributes without having to do a
full-out def.
I don't think it's the right solution to this problem, though.
--
Ryan Pavlik <rpav@mephle.com>
"Do not question wizards, for they are quick to
turn you into a toad." - 8BT