[#77638] DBI-PG problems — culley harrelson <culley@...>
I am having trouble with DBI-Pg on os X (ruby 1.6.7). I installed it
I had problems like this after installing DBD-Pg on Linux & on Cygwin
I'm not sure but I don't think you would have made it through the
[#77647] Test::Unit leaving phanthom objects in ObjectSpace? — james_b <james_b@...>
I have some code that examines the objects in ObjectSpace and returns a
[#77652] ANN: debugprint — Ben Giddings <ben@...>
Hi everybody,
Hello,
[#77662] A bundle of newbie queries — Gawnsoft <xlucid@...>
I've finally overcome my newbie embarrassment enough to post about
[#77692] cgi error 1.8.p4 — gm@... (George Moschovitis)
Hi there, i got the following error using preview4:
[#77701] ruby 1.8.0 preview7 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)
Hello,
[#77705] BigDecimal from CVS — Holden Glova <dsafari@...>
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
[#77707] Re: is rubyforge down ? — "Tom Copeland" <tom@...>
> On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 13:53:05 +0200, Simon Strandgaard wrote:
On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 23:28:16 +0900, Tom Copeland wrote:
> Right now I cannot get in touch with Rubyforge.. ISP problems
----- Original Message -----
[#77710] Ruby — Markus Blasl <blasl@...>
>
[#77721] OT: Nice — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...>
http://nice.sourceforge.net
[#77757] RDoc now does constants — Dave Thomas <dave@...>
I've added experimental support for documenting constants to RDoc. Right
[#77782] 1.8.0-preview7 (bccwin32 build) make install problem — "daz" <dooby@...10.karoo.co.uk>
[#77791] Anonymous, single instance class creation — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...>
I find myself doing the following in tests a lot:
On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 06:13:55PM +0900, Nathaniel Talbott wrote:
Brian Candler [mailto:B.Candler@pobox.com] wrote:
[#77794] 1.8.0-previewX rb_sys_fail() on socket instead of an Exception. — Kero van Gelder <kero@...>
Hi all,
>>>>> "K" == Kero van Gelder <kero@chello.single-dot.nl> writes:
On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 08:53:03PM +0900, ts wrote:
>>>>> "B" == Brian Candler <B.Candler@pobox.com> writes:
[#77806] Indentation Style — Nikolai Weibull <lone-star@...>
I've been meaning to ask this for quite some time. Why is and
* Nikolai Weibull (lone-star@home.se) wrote:
On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:02:08 +0900
On Sat August 2 2003 1:01 pm, Seth Kurtzberg wrote:
There is no need for any additional code or info for emacs to strip
On Sat August 2 2003 2:09 pm, Seth Kurtzberg wrote:
Vim can do this too of course. In a large development group (like open
[#77833] Home grown continuations — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...>
DISCLAIMER: It has been said that continuations can cause brain damage... I
[#77849] Ruby 1.8.0 and Mac OS X and Tcl/Tk 8.4 Aqua (not!) — Mike Hall <mghall@...>
[#77888] Lafcadio: An object-relational mapping layer for Ruby — sera@... (Francis Hwang)
Hi everybody,
[#77896] Too bad I've found about Ruby — "wit" <wit7777bezspamu@...>
Hi.
----- Original Message -----
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 04:00:31AM +0900, Hal E. Fulton wrote:
WxRuby is close to an initial (very early) Alpha release. It will be
[#77928] Take a Fantasy Cruise with Me! — "Katrina" <katrina@...>
Hi again,
Is it me, or is spam getting really hard to catch these days?
[#77939] preview7 tarball size — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...>
I notice there was a substantial size jump between p6 and p7:
[#77946] ruby 1.8.0 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)
Hello,
Hi,
On Monday, Aug 4, 2003, at 04:23 America/Denver, Yukihiro Matsumoto
[#77962] Problem building mysql-ruby under 1.8.0 — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...>
$ pwd
>>>>> "B" == Brian Candler <B.Candler@pobox.com> writes:
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 10:59:05PM +0900, ts wrote:
[#77971] Can't find header files for Ruby — ot <ot@...>
Hi,
[#77984] Incompatible changes to cgi.rb in 1.8.0 — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...>
Hmm, something has changed in CGI which has broken an application - sorry I
[#77991] A PLEA FOR HELP — "BINTA BEDIE" <pleasures@...>
From Binta konan Bedie
[#77992] clearing a parameter in Ruby? — Roy Patrick Tan <rtan@...>
Hi,
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 02:36:32 +0900, Roy Patrick Tan wrote:
[#77998] change in class << for 1.8.0? — "Brett H. Williams" <brett_williams@...>
Consider this:
[#78011] When Pragmatic Programmers installer for 1.8.0? — "Volkmann, Mark" <Mark.Volkmann@...>
Any guesses as to how soon a Pragmatic Programmers Windows installer for
[#78023] Parrot SMOP benchmark — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>
I was just reading Dan Sugalski's slides from RubyConf 2002 and noticed the benchmarks relating to something called "SMOP" at the end of the article.
At 8:22 AM +0900 8/5/03, Harry Ohlsen wrote:
[#78032] What's New and Shiny in Ruby 1.8.0? — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>
Since there were a number of requests around for a more detailed
why the lucky stiff wrote:
Hi,
[#78054] Log4r and Ruby 1.8.0 in Singleton problems — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>
Somethings rotten...
>>>>> "D" == David Heinemeier Hansson <david@loudthinking.com> writes:
> D> irb(main):001:0> require 'Singleton'
>>>>> "D" == David Heinemeier Hansson <david@loudthinking.com> writes:
> For ruby
ts wrote:
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 11:09:19PM +0900, Dave Thomas wrote:
On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 10:35 AM, Marko Schulz wrote:
[#78074] Problem with ruby-dbi-all-0.0.20 and/or ruby-1.8.0 — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...>
The following test program works correctly with ruby-dbi-all-0.0.18 under
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 10:40:06PM +0900, Brian Candler wrote:
>>>>> "B" == Brian Candler <B.Candler@pobox.com> writes:
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 11:35:19PM +0900, ts wrote:
[#78089] format number with comma separators? — Chris Morris <chrismo@...>
I'm brain dead and just trying to get formatted numbers in a task that's
On Tuesday 05 August 2003 16:55, Chris Morris wrote:
[#78110] ThreadGroup#enclose — Dave Thomas <dave@...>
I'm probably being very dense, but could someone explain a practical use
[#78129] User-defined class coercion? — "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...>
I would like to define my own class that works as a number when
[#78140] Class variables, module inclusion and instance_eval — Tim Bates <tim@...>
Hi all,
[#78145] cygwin-provided ruby 1.6.8's map/chomp can't remove dos newlines?! — Justin Honold <jhonold@...>
user@HOST ~/julia/proj
[#78151] Why does Ruby have callcc? — Jim Bob <invalid@...>
I understand, in a woozy sort of way, what callcc does. What I
Jim Bob wrote:
I have been interested in these continuation-thingys for a while now, so now
At 7:27 AM +0900 8/7/03, Ben Giddings wrote:
On Wed August 6 2003 6:45 pm, Dan Sugalski wrote:
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 08:38:25PM +0900, Harry Ohlsen wrote:
Jim Bob <invalid@invalid.com> writes:
[#78165] newbie question from a smalltalker — "Adriano Volpones" <adriano.volpones@...>
Dear all,
Adriano Volpones wrote:
On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, 11:22:21 PM, Lyle wrote:
Gavin Sinclair wrote:
Lyle Johnson wrote:
Dave Thomas wrote:
Michael Garriss wrote:
Adriano Volpones wrote:
On Aug 7, Dave Thomas wrote:
[#78175] Ruby installation problem on UNIX — "Ihab Mentiady" <ihabmen@...>
Hi;
[#78234] $: - where does it get its initial values? — Tuan Bui <tuanbui@...>
Howdy,
They are figured out during Ruby build by configure and then hardcoded into
[#78251] More on DRB & OpenSSL — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...>
OK, I've tracked down my problem with DRb and OpenSSL a bit more; perhaps
Nathaniel Talbott wrote:
> I've noticed that there is always a strange silence on DRb questions. I
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Aredridel wrote:
Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng [mailto:hgs@dmu.ac.uk] wrote:
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Nathaniel Talbott wrote:
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 06:49:32PM +0900, Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng wrote:
Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng [mailto:hgs@dmu.ac.uk] wrote:
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Nathaniel Talbott wrote:
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 12:03:01AM +0900, Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng wrote:
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Brian Candler wrote:
[#78258] $stdout.sync on windows — "meinrad.recheis" <my.name.here@...>
hi, i don't know wether this was discussed before:
[#78274] Re: Why does Ruby have callcc? — Dan Doel <djd15@...>
As for why callcc takes a block (I didn't see this in any of the replies
On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 08:32 PM, Dan Doel wrote:
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 00:42, Ben Giddings wrote:
On Thu August 7 2003 3:03 am, Jim Weirich wrote:
On Thu August 7 2003 10:31 pm, Dan Doel wrote:
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 22:04, Ben Giddings wrote:
[#78282] Re: [Devculture] ruby question - try Python also (fwd) — Pat Eyler <pate@...>
hmmm, this doesn't mesh terribly well with my experience. Anyone else car
* Pat Eyler <pate@eylerfamily.org> [0811 04:11]:
[#78292] Ruby Query — srijit@...
Ruby is a nice and expressive language. Now my favourite Ruby site is
[#78314] How to provide other content-type than text/html with modruby and eruby? — Erik Terpstra <erik@...>
Is it possible to provide a content-type other than text/html using
[#78321] C's static equivalent — KONTRA Gergely <kgergely@...>
Hi!
[#78328] Elegant solution for a loop-break problem — KONTRA Gergely <kgergely@...>
Hi!
Scripsit ille 斬rian Candlerォ <B.Candler@pobox.com>:
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:17:13PM +0900, KONTRA Gergely wrote:
[#78352] Using DRb to implement object database — Steve Tuckner <STUCKNER@...>
Hello all,
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 12:26:19AM +0900, Steve Tuckner wrote:
[#78369] Mail delivery to non-mbox? — "Josef 'Jupp' Schugt" <jupp@...>
Saluton!
[#78393] Apple recognizes Ruby on the Xserve product page — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>
I just spotted these two snippets of Ruby recognition on the Apple
David Heinemeier Hansson graced us by uttering:
[#78401] Ducktype, right? — "Mills Thomas (app1tam)" <app1tam@...>
I checked out some of the new Ruby features at theluckystiff.net and saw
[#78419] Distributing Ruby applications — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>
Hello Rubyists,
Daniel Carrera wrote:
Daniel Carrera [mailto:dcarrera@math.umd.edu] wrote:
[#78465] TestCase human-readable name — "Dmitry V. Sabanin" <sdmitry@...>
Hello!
[#78487] Re: Ducktype, right? — "Mills Thomas (app1tam)" <app1tam@...>
> -----Original Message-----
Mills Thomas (app1tam) wrote:
On Fri August 8 2003 1:25 pm, Dave Thomas wrote:
Ben Giddings wrote:
On Fri August 8 2003 2:36 pm, Chris Morris wrote:
[#78503] Catching thread exceptions — Steve Tuckner <STUCKNER@...>
Recently I was helping a colleague who was new to Ruby with a program
[#78525] A question about Circular References — Scott Thompson <easco@...>
Hello folks,
Scott Thompson wrote:
>
[#78528] =~ obsolete? — "meinrad.recheis" <my.name.here@...>
hi,
In article <oprtlut5x0edtuaz@news.tuwien.ac.at>,
[#78534] Rjudy & Ruby 1.8.0; — Armin Roehrl <armin@...>
Hi,
[#78550] WeakRef and caches — Tim Bates <tim@...>
Hi all,
[#78569] Ruby and OOP-design (question of an old "procedural person" ;) — Meino Christian Cramer <mccramer@...>
Hi !
On 2003-08-09 16:47:10 +0900, Meino Christian Cramer wrote:
Hi, :)
Kent Dahl <kentda+news@stud.ntnu.no> wrote:
Hi --
dblack@superlink.net wrote:
Scripsit ille 斬rian Candlerォ <B.Candler@pobox.com>:
Rudolf Polzer wrote:
Mike Campbell wrote:
Florian Frank <flori@nixe.ping.de> wrote:
Dan Doel <djd15@po.cwru.edu> wrote:
Martin DeMello wrote:
>>>>> "D" == Dan Doel <djd15@po.cwru.edu> writes:
[#78594] Problems with the Ruby MySQL Interface 2.4.4a and Ruby 1.8.0 on OS X — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>
Hola.
[#78608] irb and 1.8.0 — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...>
On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 05:56:25AM +0900, Joel VanderWerf wrote:
[#78624] CVS add — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...>
Just learning my way around CVS - is this missing anything? It seems to
[#78651] Ruby docstrings — William Webber <wew@...>
Hi all!
[#78664] rbbr-0.3.1 — Masao Mutoh <mutoh@...>
Hi,
On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 10:10:41PM +0900, Masao Mutoh wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 10:50:56PM +0900, Masao Mutoh wrote:
I downloaded the latest source and built ruby under cygwin. make, make test,
Masao Mutoh wrote:
Gennady wrote:
[#78682] How to build a distributable Solaris binary for Ruby 1.8? — google-venkatp@... (Venkat)
Hello all:
[#78699] ruby 1.8.0 and =~ — Mark Probert <probertm@..._acm.org>
[#78702] readline.dll missing in 1.8 final? — Chris Morris <chrismo@...>
1.8p3 was missing readline.dll ... 1.8 final seems to be missing it as
Hi,
Hi,
[#78736] Ruby vs Python? — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>
Hi all,
Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@math.umd.edu> wrote in message news:<20030811231735.GA2238@math.umd.edu>...
----- Original Message -----
[#78754] using case with classes — Michael Garriss <mgarriss@...>
Ok, this did not work like I expected (because I know too little about
[#78755] NaN and Inifinity — Scott Thompson <easco@...>
If I do something like
In article <B0D86431-CC65-11D7-AFAD-000393803090@mac.com>,
I was able to do:
[#78804] hash default value — Emmanuel Touzery <emmanuel.touzery@...>
Hello,
[#78810] UTF-8 question — Nikolai Weibull <lone-star@...>
I've finally switched to UTF-8. It's awesome. Now, if I can only find
Hi,
* Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> [Aug, 12 2003 18:10]:
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 08:56:34AM +0900, nobu.nokada@softhome.net wrote:
* Mark J. Reed <markjreed@mail.com> [Aug, 13 2003 03:10]:
Hi,
[#78813] Nested class/module namespace — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...>
The new ability to declare a class nested in another module (or class)
Nathaniel Talbott wrote:
Kent Dahl [mailto:kentda+news@stud.ntnu.no] wrote:
Nathaniel Talbott wrote:
Nathaniel Talbott wrote:
Hi,
Yukihiro Matsumoto [mailto:matz@ruby-lang.org] wrote:
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:08:19 +0900, Nathaniel Talbott wrote:
Austin Ziegler [mailto:austin@halostatue.ca] wrote:
Hi,
[#78815] Windows Installer for Ruby 1.8.0 Final — Andrew Hunt <andy@...>
Thanks for your patience
Nice haiku /\ndy
Andrew Hunt wrote:
On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 12:31, Jon Newton wrote:
Hi Andy,
[#78822] Re: Windows Installer for Ruby 1.8.0 Final — "jrh" <jrh@...>
Thank you for finding the time to fit doing this into your busy schedule.
[#78828] Re: $SAFE = 5 and Safe Ruby Misleading? — djd15@...
I've not really played around with $SAFE or security
[#78836] AW: [ann] AEditor 0.10, folding added — "Recheis Meinrad" <Meinrad.Recheis@...>
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:56:48 +0900, Recheis Meinrad wrote:
Hello Simon,
On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 14:03, Lothar Scholz wrote:
A difference between smalltalk and ruby...smalltalk is image based
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 04:03:51 +0900, Lothar Scholz wrote:
[#78837] common constructor idioms — Scott Thompson <easco@...>
In C++ one often declares a constructor that accepts another instance
[#78856] Read character from keyboard — "=?ISO-8859-15?B?QW5kcukgV2FnbmVy?=" <andre@...>
Hello,
[#78880] Stop Being Lazy! — Nikolai Weibull <lone-star@...>
OK. A lot of the time you will see new threads being spawned off old
[#78900] Exposing C "enums" through extensions — Scott Thompson <easco@...>
I'm allowing Ruby to access a C based library through an extension.
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:01:03 +0900, Brian Candler wrote:
[#78905] ruby curses documentation ? — MENON Jean-Francois <jean-francois.menon@...>
hello,
[#78923] Module methods in nested modules with 1.8.0 — Papp Zoltan <padre@...>
On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, 9:40:06 PM, Papp wrote:
Hi,
[#78957] File.basename, dirname and split changed in 1.8.0! — thomass@... (Thomas)
Why did the behaviour of File.basename, File.dirname and File.split
[#78961] Java/Ruby communication — Nigel Gilbert <n.gilbert@...>
I am planning to write a Java program and and a Ruby program and have
On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 12:23:11AM +0900, Nigel Gilbert wrote:
ruby opens TCPServer
[#78993] Disabling NOTICE messages when using ruby-postgres — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...>
Does anyone know if there's a way to disable the NOTICE messages when using
[#78999] Ruby listens IPv6 — Scott Thompson <easco@...>
Please forgive me if this sounds a bit juvenile. I'm not as well
[#79001] Overloading () — Dan Doel <djd15@...>
Hi,
"Yukihiro Matsumoto" <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote in message
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 03:10:21 +0900, Dave Benjamin wrote:
[#79047] ruby-dev summary 21134-21191 — Minero Aoki <aamine@...>
Hi all,
[#79057] gtk2 : window inside an other window ? — oxman <newsgroup@...>
Hello,
[#79060] Ruby & Windows-world; IDEs — Armin Roehrl <armin@...>
Hi all,
Hi Armin,
Thanks a lot for the speedy answers.
Armin Roehrl wrote:
Thank Markus,
On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 06:12:03PM +0900, Armin Roehrl wrote:
We've Moved!
[#79109] Main page for RDoc — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...>
OK, I'm probably being stupid here, but I'd appreciate being put right.
Brian Candler wrote:
On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 11:12:53PM +0900, Lyle Johnson wrote:
[#79120] Help with IO Code — Ged Byrne <gedb01@...>
I'm working through "Programming Ruby - The Pragmatic
[#79142] list of Ruby capable text editors? — Martin Pirker <crf@...>
Hi...
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:36:42 +0000, Martin Pirker wrote:
Martin Pirker wrote:
[#79165] postgres — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...>
I'm trying to access a PostgreSQL database on my machine, however, I get
On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 11:34:58AM +0900, Kurt M. Dresner wrote:
Here's pg_hba.conf:
[#79184] Re: [ANN] The FreeRIDE Project Wiki has moved to RubyForge — "Tom Copeland" <tom@...>
> > What is the backup strategy on RubyForge?
[#79192] Newbie Q: Data encapsulation with Ruby — Meino Christian Cramer <mccramer@...>
Hi,
Hi --
dblack@superlink.net wrote:
On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 01:02:45AM +0900, Dan Doel wrote:
[#79216] spawning a process — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...>
Hi,
[#79226] opengl: What happened to GetString? — Henon <mail.in.the@...>
hi, on ruby173 and previous this worked:
[#79229] Dir.recurse — Jim Bob <invalid@...>
I think it'd be useful (and worthwhile) to have a Dir.recurse method.
[#79240] fork and modifying variables inside the new process — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...>
irb(main):001:0> a = true
Kurt M. Dresner wrote:
[#79250] Rite/Ruby2.0 & Ruby vs OCaml — <prosys@...>
Hi All,
----- Original Message -----
OCaml is a fine language, but it certainly is not as fun as ruby... unless
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 02:23:56PM +0900, Jason Watkins wrote:
On Monday 25 Aug 2003 4:10 pm, Brian Candler wrote:
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 12:40:45AM +0900, mark wrote:
On Tuesday, 26 August 2003 at 1:35:56 +0900, Brian Candler wrote:
Thank you all so much for your informative comments. I saved a
I have no formal programming background - so my experience won't be the case
Rich wrote:
On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 11:30:09AM +0900, prosys@chartermi.net wrote:
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 07:27:23AM +0900, Andreas Hauser wrote:
[#79276] CGI:Session and security — volker_grabsch@... (Volker Grabsch)
Hello Folks,
[#79280] Wish: Python-style indenting — Jon_Aquino@... (Jonathan Aquino)
I wish Ruby had Python's use of whitespace to indicate blocks. Then I
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 07:19:22AM +0900, Jonathan Aquino wrote:
[#79283] Bug when rerouting String#gsub with a block using $1? — Florian Gross <flgr@...>
Moin!
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 07:38:52AM +0900, Florian Gross wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 02:43:00PM +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
[#79292] Ruby for 3D graphics? — "Brandon J. Van Every" <vanevery@3DProgrammer.com>
Ok, I'm sick to death of C++. I'm moving on to a higher level language of
----- Original Message -----
[#79297] Quick self-intro/comment II (WebObjects) — "dhtapp" <dhtapp@...>
Oops, I meant to include this in the other message: While browsing the
[#79302] uninitialized constant Myclass (NameError) — Dalibor Sramek <dali@...>
Hi.
>>>>> "D" == Dalibor Sramek <dali@insula.cz> writes:
[#79315] Tk: non-default font 16 x slower — Wybo Dekker <wybo@...>
When I use the default fonts in my Ruby-Tk application it takes
[#79319] Question: immutable strings as design goal? — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>
-talkers,
Hi,
Gavin Sinclair wrote:
[#79322] @@newimpl and @newimpl in Net — Ged Byrne <gedb01@...>
Hi,
[#79328] Python indentation for Ruby under Emacs — Xavier Noria <fxn@...>
If instead of hiding "end"s using a special font, which anyway leaves
[#79337] Re: Question: immutable strings as design goal? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>
Am I correct in thinking that as long as you avoid the
Robert Feldt <feldt@ce.chalmers.se> wrote in message news:<oprt3sncb0oglyup@mail1.telia.com>...
On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, 3:21:32 AM, Hannu wrote:
While we're still on the subject of Python and Guido Von Rossum's blog
[#79407] How to open a file in windows — Nicolas Galler <beanie@...>
Hello,
[#79412] Why did you switch from Python to Ruby? — "Brandon J. Van Every" <vanevery@3DProgrammer.com>
This question is only meant to apply to people who used to use Python, but
I may not be the best qualified to answer this, because I looked at
Sean O'Dell wrote:
On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 04:05 PM, Brandon J. Van Every wrote:
I can't quite match the subject line in practice, because inevitably I'm
Michael Granger wrote:
Sean O'Dell wrote:
Peter Hickman wrote:
Dan Doel wrote:
Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng wrote:
Brandon J. Van Every wrote:
Doug Kearns <djkea2@mugca.its.monash.edu.au> wrote:
On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 04:40 AM, Martin DeMello wrote:
Gennady <bystr@mac.com> wrote:
On Sunday 24 August 2003 4:21 am, Sabby and Tabby wrote:
First off, I would like to say that Ruby is the simplest language to
jcb@iteris.com (MetalOne) wrote:
[#79414] $VERBOSE=true returns warnings from standard library — thomass@... (Thomas)
I normally write my ruby code with $VERBOSE=true. When I do this in
Hi,
On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, 12:02:24 AM, Dave wrote:
[#79433] Re: What's TOTALLY COMPELLING about Ruby over Python? — phlip_cpp@... (Phlip)
> I don't know either. I do know of several posters on the XP
> If you were to instrument my physical responses and typing rate while
"Michael Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Hi --
Hi --
dblack@superlink.net wrote:
Hi --
[#79481] Re: Why did you switch from Python to Ruby? — "Gavri Savio Fernandez" <Gavri_F@...>
Misleading statistics!! :-) Nobody really uses 'switched from'
[#79497] Newbie Q: Getting character codes — Tim Rowe <tim@..._if_not_spam.digitig.co.uk>
I need to get at the character code used to represent a character. I
[#79510] Numerical/Scientific programming ruby group — Gordon James Miller <gmiller@...>
Hello all,
[#79533] What attracts me to Ruby — Ged Byrne <gedb01@...>
As a newbie moving over from Python, the recent posts
[#79564] socket emergency — Xiangrong Fang <xrfang@...>
Hi,
[#79577] ParseDate and Time — Jason Williams <jason@...>
Why don't ParseDate and Time play nicely together?
[#79587] At least one nasty person in your community — "Brandon J. Van Every" <vanevery@3DProgrammer.com>
Ok, I was going to say that although you're not as wonderfully welcoming as
[#79613] for/in loop — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
I have been thinking about "for" and "in"
----- Original Message -----
hi Hal,
Hi,
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 11:59:31AM +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
[#79655] Punctuation as noise — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
I've been thinking for a day or so about
> I have noticed an odd effect already, though. The
"Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@hypermetrics.com> writes:
[#79658] StringIO#binmode: bug in cgi.rb and yaml.rb — Dmitry Borodaenko <d.borodaenko@...>
Sorry if Ruby 1.6 is an ancient history for some, but I still see a
[#79673] Trollassassin — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...>
So, I had this idea, but I couldn't think of anywhere better to post it.
[#79678] How do I handle an HTML form from ruby? — Ludwigi Beethoven <aix_tech@...>
I am trying to learn how to manipulate HTML files with
[#79735] One Module for one Class? — Jeremy Whetzel <jeremy@...>
Hello all!
[#79749] Regular expression question — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>
I'm sure this is trivial, but I don't have my Mastering Regular Expressions handy (and I haven't put sufficient effort into getting through it!).
[#79754] Class variables - a surprising result — Jason Williams <jason@...>
class Sup
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 06:33:09PM +0900, Jason Williams wrote:
> Class variable allocation is per class scope, not per subclass scope.
Hi,
[#79773] Re: Class variables - a surprising result — Ged Byrne <gedb01@...>
class Sup
[#79788] Re: Class variables - a surprising result — "Bennett, Patrick" <Patrick.Bennett@...>
Obviously there's some confusion though Matz.
Hi,
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 03:47:33AM +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
----- Original Message -----
[#79792] Learning from the standard library — Ben Giddings <ben@...>
There are a lot of good ways to learn how to do things in Ruby. I
[#79794] Integrated Webserver? — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...>
The HTML form thread made me wonder if we shouldn't have some equivalent
il Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:44:19 GMT, Martin DeMello
[#79818] Re: How do I handle an HTML form from ruby? — "Mills Thomas (app1tam)" <app1tam@...>
Having Ruby start a browser with the correct form.html file is easy enough.
Thank you Nathaniel.
il Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:01:51 +0900, David Corbin
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 04:28:31AM +0900, gabriele renzi wrote:
I am not sure what the AIX comment is all about, but
--- Ludwigi Beethoven <aix_tech@yahoo.com> wrote:
Michael Campbell wrote:
> >>I am not sure what the AIX comment is all about, but
> --- Ludwigi Beethoven <aix_tech@yahoo.com> wrote:
[#79819] Re: Class variables - a surprising result — "Bennett, Patrick" <Patrick.Bennett@...>
My point was that many programmar's mistake Ruby's 'class' variables as
Hi,
> Hi,
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:32:12 +0900
Ryan Pavlik wrote:
Patrick Bennett wrote:
Dan Doel wrote:
It would be good if there was a cleaner way to do
[#79833] Wrapping ENV — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
I just wrote a little piece of code. Is it useful to anyone but
[#79849] POLS and names of mathematical functions — "Josef 'Jupp' Schugt" <jupp@...>
Saluton!
Hi,
[#79936] Ruth 0.10 — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>
Here is a new version of ruth. Please
[#79942] irb regexp strangeness — Martin Stannard <martins@...>
I've noticed the following behaviour when playing with irb:
[#79959] Getting html page fields with webrick — JK <j.khaldi@...>
Hi All,
[#79963] Line wrapping — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...>
Hello,
[#79974] 1.8.0 build, Solaris and socket — Mark Probert <probertm@..._acm.org>
Hi, rubyists.
[#79981] Aspect oriented Everything? — letterbox1001@... (New_aspect)
Hello,
Jason Williams <jason@jasonandali.org.uk> wrote in message news:<slrnbkot3p.1d5.jason@kotu.jasonandalishouse.org.uk>...
Unless I'm missing something, using blocks in Ruby gets around most of this:
Steven Ketcham <stedak@charter.net> wrote in message
[#79998] proper name for one who uses ruby — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...>
I've seen two: Rubyist and Rubicon.
[#80038] Ruby & Perl — David Corbin <dcorbin@...>
Has anyone considered some way to make Perl modules callable from Ruby?
David Corbin <dcorbin@machturtle.com> writes:
On Sunday, August 24, 2003, 6:16:22 AM, David wrote:
[#80076] Ruby newbie Q: Do I have a damaged copy of PickAxe — Meino Christian Cramer <Meino.Cramer@...>
Hi Meino!
[#80090] fxRuby and errors — Fredrik Jagenheim <fredde@...>
Hi,
[#80112] ANN: wxRuby 0.1.0 Alpha has been released! — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...>
http://rubyforge.org/project/showfiles.php?group_id=35&release_id=46
[#80128] autoconf for 1.8.0 — Jim Freeze <jim@...>
While trying to install the stable version of Ruby
[#80135] Specification of Ruby regex? — Ronald Pijnacker <rhp@...>
Hi all,
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:15:38 +0900, Ronald Pijnacker wrote:
Hello!
On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, 10:18:24 PM, Emmanuel wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:28:07 +0900, Gavin Sinclair wrote:
Apparently, Austin Ziegler recently wrote:
Pickaxe is your best friend (ideally, the hardcopy). Some information may be
> > Hi all,
[#80141] Re: Aspect oriented Everything? — "Volkmann, Mark" <Mark.Volkmann@...>
I think a key point that many people miss about AOP is that it makes classes
[#80157] Ruby launching system apps? — "Dan" <falseflyboy@...>
I have a UNIX machine and I want a ruby app that can launch UNIX commands
On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 01:25 PM, Dan wrote:
[#80174] 1.8.0 pb — thierry wilmot <wilmot@...>
hello,
[#80185] Email and smtp.sendmail security vulnerabilities? — "John W. Long" <ng@...>
Hi,
[#80217] Another Ruby-powered site — Thomas Hurst <tom.hurst@...>
http://qurl.net/ -- a couple of hours with Ruby and FastCGI.
il Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:58:21 +0900, Thomas Hurst <tom.hurst@clara.net>
--- gabriele renzi <surrender_it@rc1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com> wrote:
Michael Campbell wrote:
--- Michael Vondung <mvondung@gmx.net> wrote:
Pax vobiscum,
Josef 'Jupp' Schugt wrote:
Michael Vondung wrote:
[#80235] Incorrect TCPSocket errors — Alan Davies <NOSPAMcs96and@...>
Hello
Sorry, I managed to hit ctrl+enter before I'd finished typing this.
[#80238] profilier issues??? — walter@...
Hi everyone.
Welcome to the world of "proof-of-concept" ruby tools.
Lothar Scholz wrote:
[#80242] Array#uniq! — mgarriss <mgarriss@...>
Anyone know why Array#uniq returns an array in every case and
[#80257] Readline history, and general binary module doc — "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...>
Where can I find documentation for standard library modules
[#80266] Re: Array#uniq! — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...>
[#80268] Re: Email and smtp.sendmail security vulnerabilities? — John Long <JLong@...>
Hi,
[#80296] You know what I want? — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...>
I want a Perl CGI script that will run a Ruby CGI script. The admins of
[#80309] ri — "maillist@..." <maillist@...>
Hi,
[#80316] errors compiling Ruby under Solaris — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...>
I'm trying to compile Ruby under Solaris. I suck at C, so I don't know
Hi,
Hi,
I am using 3.0.3.
Hi,
> Instead, send ext/socket/mkmf.log.
Hi,
> What headers do you need to compile sys/socket.h?
Hi,
It turns out that the thing I sent before was from a Solaris 9 machine,
>>>>> "K" == Kurt M Dresner <kdresner@cs.utexas.edu> writes:
> What is strange is that you don't have the flag -DHAVE_SOCKADDR_STORAGE
>>>>> "K" == Kurt M Dresner <kdresner@cs.utexas.edu> writes:
Here it is.
>>>>> "K" == Kurt M Dresner <kdresner@cs.utexas.edu> writes:
[#80333] QuiXML 0.0.0 —
Announcing the first public release of QuiXML 0.0.0
[#80342] Newbie question — "Useko Netsumi" <REMOVE_THISusenets@...>
What's the difference between the ActiveScriptRuby and MSWIN32 from The
[#80346] Re: Blocks, eval and named parameters — "Berger, Daniel" <djberge@...>
> -----Original Message-----
[#80354] Mac OS X and ruby-postgres again — Thomas Yager-Madden <tym@...>
Hello,
How did you install postgresql? I had to specify the location of the
Thanks for the reply
> I have tried specifying library path when invoking extconf.rb, using
[#80393] sorting on hash contents — Mark Probert <probertm@..._acm.org>
[#80399] os x / mysql : install 1.8 : ruby = nil — paul@... (paul vudmaska)
I'm trying to install ruby/eruby and mysql to learn ruby for web stuff
When Apple installs ruby, they install it in /usr/bin and put the
> You could create a symbolic link in /usr/bin:
[#80435] Additional info regarding ruby-talk:66239 — Idan Sofer <idan@...>
I have recently encountered similiar problem as described on that thread, i.e., rb_bug
Hi,
Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
[#80457] #collect with block modifying receiver — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>
Hello, all...
On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 4:48 pm, Hal Fulton wrote:
mark wrote:
Hi,
So it's undefined behaviour, but "Don't modify the receiver while you
[#80488] Log4r with Ruby 1.8 — Stephan K舂per <Stephan.Kaemper@...>
Hi all,
[#80497] Python vs. Ruby — Fred <fred@...>
Can anyone give me a good reason why I would want to use Ruby over Python?
In article <cxu3b.289101$uu5.63844@sccrnsc04>,
> : Can anyone give me a good reason why I would want to use Ruby over
Careful, boys,
"jbritt@ruby-doc.org" <jbritt@ruby-doc.org> wrote in message news:<3F519252.3090408@ruby-doc.org>...
On Monday 01 Sep 2003 9:47 am, Hannu Kankaanp粐 wrote:
mark wrote:
Sean O'Dell wrote:
james_b wrote:
Sean O'Dell wrote:
I'm sometimes interested in "varying flavors" of OOP. The one
Hal Fulton wrote:
[#80536] Can I rehash during execution ? — mail@... (Andreas Habel)
Hi there,
[#80542] multiply all array with array — ibotty <me@...>
before i spent to many words describing something so simple:
[#80559] Quoted string problem — Meino Christian Cramer <Meino.Cramer@...>
Hi,
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Meino Christian Cramer wrote:
From: Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@dmu.ac.uk>
[#80580] Bug? (1.8.0) — "Erik Veenstra" <pan@...>
[#80601] How to end script execution mid-script? — Kurt Euler <keuler@...>
All
[#80610] FXRuby and clipboard contents — sgcjr@... (Steve)
I'm experimenting with FXRuby, and would like to grab the contents of
Hal Fulton <hal9000@hypermetrics.com> wrote in message news:<3F512090.60105@hypermetrics.com>...
[#80625] Beginning to use FxRuby - help, please — Gawnsoft <xlucid@...>
I've just installed FxRuby
[#80677] ruby for IBM terminal emulation — { vidya } <vidu108@...>
hi,
[#80711] Holding a reference to a ruby object outside the interpreter — thomass@... (Thomas)
How can I hold a reference to a ruby object outside the interpreter?
[#80714] Errors with a Ruby CGI script — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...>
Okay, so I got Ruby installed on that Solaris 8 machine and everything
> So it seems that smtp.rb is having a hard time loading digest/md5.
I can't. I'm not root. However, I can go into smtp.rb and comment out
[#80715] `echo %!(*` — Tom Felker <tcfelker@...>
Hello all,
Story of B
====================================================================== Subject: Ruby for 3D graphics? Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:32:42 -0700 Ok, I'm sick to death of C++. I'm moving on to a higher level language of some kind. But, my lower level 3D graphics problems are not going to go away. Why is Ruby exciting to a 3D graphics optimization jock? ---- Subject: Re: Why would you abandon Ruby? (was) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:04:03 -0700 Ok, good at scripting, not good at embedded. How about large systems programming? ---- Subject: Evaluating Ruby objectively (not exactly) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:37:22 -0700 I'd like to know how appropriate people think it is as a systems programming language. Someone else said, scripting is good, embedded is bad. What about huge honking piles of code? What happens as you scale up? ---- Subject: Re: This is a newsgroup, not a mailing list (was) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:50:28 -0700 Truthfully, I'm not looking for 3D graphics solutions right now. I'm looking for: 1) a way to make money 2) a way to implement 2D games quickly in a cross-platform manner ====================================================================== Subject: Why did you switch from Python to Ruby? Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:52:58 -0700 This question is only meant to apply to people who used to use Python, but switched to Ruby. Why did you do so? ---- Subject: Evaluating Ruby objectively (not exactly) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:37:22 -0700 But I think it's probably going to be awhile before I know or care what the difference between dynamism in Python and Ruby is. ---- Subject: social engineering (was) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 03:03:53 -0700 The important point that I recalled from discussion, is Python isn't as backwards as the Ruby FAQ would have you believe. It keeps improving and a lot of the issues go away over time. ---- Subject: Re: Why would you abandon Ruby? (was) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:22:33 -0700 Well, the Python crowd recognizes and has all of these dilemmas. But the reaction of the community isn't to sit there and say, "Oh, we can't win, marketing is futile." They start a marketing-python list and deal with the problem. They don't duck it, or handwave it away as unimportant. This is the main way that Python is more advanced than Ruby. It is more advanced in terms of community organization, tools and library support, marketing, mindshare, etc. All that boring industrial stuff. The stuff it takes to make a high flying language actually usable in an industrial context. ---- Subject: Re: Why would you abandon Ruby? (was) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:25:29 -0700 > Now, to address your original question a little: What compelling > reason is there to choose Ruby over Python? (I'm paraphrasing; > forgive me if I distorted your meaning.) You have distorted the meaning. I asked, "Why would you abandon Ruby?" Has nothing to do with Python. ====================================================================== Subject: Re: Why would you abandon Ruby? (was) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:25:29 -0700 I'm bored with all kinds of things in computers. It comes from having experience. ---- Subject: Evaluating Ruby objectively (not exactly) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:37:22 -0700 For the most part I dislike programming, ---- Subject: the mindshare of Ruby (was) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 03:34:51 -0700 > And, learning a new language is always beneficial. No it is not. Learning a new language is a time sink ---- Subject: Re: the mindshare of Ruby (was) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 05:54:41 -0700 > Learning languages is fun, I'd do it even if it were useless. I consider it pain and suffering. ====================================================================== Subject: Re: Why would you abandon Ruby? (was) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:59:32 -0700 Your attitudes are deeply ugly. ---- Subject: Re: Why would you abandon Ruby? (was) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:39:23 -0700 I think you define "informed view" according to your own prejudices. ---- Subject: Re: Why would you abandon Ruby? (was) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:11:50 -0700 Let me point out what you don't like. ---- Subject: Re: Why would you abandon Ruby? (was) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:22:33 -0700 Recognize that if that's your attitude, people *won't* come. ---- Subject: Re: At least one nasty person in your community Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:33:05 -0700 You have a problem child. ---- Subject: social engineering (was) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 03:03:53 -0700 People fixate on what they want to have happen, rather than what's going to happen. So they implement dysfunctional policies that don't get them what they want. They iterate in endless loops because they lack imagination. ---- Subject: Re: At least one nasty person in your community Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:46:23 -0700 IMO, certain people should accept blame for being hostile to me in the first place. ====================================================================== Subject: Re: Why would you abandon Ruby? (was) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:59:32 -0700 Well, this is Usenet, and it ain't your show. ---- Subject: This is a newsgroup, not a mailing list (was) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:04:43 -0700 When you gate your mailing list to a USENET newsgroup, you are agreeing to the standards of USENET. The gate is a convenience for you, not a right, let alone an abrogation of general USENET standards. Your newsgroup has a Charter. ---- Subject: Re: At least one nasty person in your community Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:46:23 -0700 IMO, the other thing you should do as a community, is start recognizing that you're on a newsgroup, not a mailing list. ---- Subject: Re: Old guard FAQ culture Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:41:50 -0700 > You're a stranger marching into a party beating a drum and > demanding attention, See, that's how you see your community. Something private. Something to be protected. Others see a newsgroup as a space of global public discourse. With rules and mores common to all unmoderated newsgroups. ---- Subject: Re: Old guard FAQ culture Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:41:50 -0700 It doesn't matter what you were before. You signed on to Usenet. There are rules on Usenet for unmoderated newsgroups. ---- Subject: Re: Old guard FAQ culture Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:44:33 -0700 > (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html) > 3.1.1 General Guidelines for mailing lists and NetNews > - Read both mailing lists and newsgroups for one to two months > before you post anything. This helps you to get an > understanding of the culture of the group. Well, that's ridiculous. ---- Subject: Re: Old guard FAQ culture Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:41:50 -0700 I don't have time for "hunt the FAQ." Your FAQ was not in my newsfeed when I signed on. ---- Subject: Old guard FAQ culture Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:22:54 -0700 > That's because, contrary to common guidelines of Usenet etiquette - > which you'll no doubt declare are of no interest to you personally > right now - you have not spent any time lurking to get the feel of the > group. I don't believe in lurking "to get the feel," and never have. It is a luxury for people with all the time in the world. ---- Subject: Brandon's personal style (was) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:28:20 -0700 > I've found that it often pays > to lurk on a list for a while, read the archives, and get a sense of > things before posting. That way, you avoid asking frequently asked > questions, bring up unrelated discussions. But those are benefits to the Ruby community, not to me. Why am I supposed to do things only for your community's benefit? ====================================================================== Subject: Old guard FAQ culture Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:22:54 -0700 I don't believe in lurking "to get the feel," and never have. It is a luxury for people with all the time in the world. ---- Subject: Re: Old guard FAQ culture Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:41:50 -0700 I don't have time for "hunt the FAQ." Your FAQ was not in my newsfeed when I signed on. ---- Subject: Old guard FAQ culture Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:22:54 -0700 Nobody has the time. This is 2003. Things to do. Places to be. ---- bard@prism:/var/spool/news/comp/lang/ruby$ du -hc `grep -l 'From: "Brandon J. Van Every' *` | grep total 212k total bard@prism:/var/spool/news/comp/lang/ruby$ grep -l 'From: "Brandon J. Van Every' * | xargs grep ^Date: 17133:Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:32:42 -0700 17248:Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:48:58 -0700 17249:Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:52:58 -0700 17279:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:05:56 +0900 17313:Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:44:28 -0700 17328:Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:01:52 -0700 17346:Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:20:10 -0700 17347:Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:32:20 -0700 17348:Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:50:43 -0700 17352:Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:04:03 -0700 17355:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:38:20 +0900 17360:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:53:04 -0700 17361:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:59:32 -0700 17362:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:07:14 -0700 17365:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:25:29 -0700 17366:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:39:23 -0700 17370:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:11:50 -0700 17375:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:37:22 -0700 17376:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:38:28 -0700 17378:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 03:03:53 -0700 17382:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 03:34:51 -0700 17391:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 05:37:25 -0700 17392:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 05:41:29 -0700 17396:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 05:54:41 -0700 17398:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 06:16:42 -0700 17402:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 06:29:21 -0700 17404:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 06:39:22 -0700 17419:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:03:49 -0700 17420:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:04:43 -0700 17423:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:22:54 -0700 17431:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:57:22 -0700 17432:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:00:48 -0700 17434:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:03:30 -0700 17435:Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:51:19 +0900 17438:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:12:05 -0700 17443:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:22:33 -0700 17444:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:28:20 -0700 17446:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:33:05 -0700 17455:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:46:23 -0700 17457:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:50:28 -0700 17461:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:56:37 -0700 17465:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:12:50 -0700 17469:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:22:49 -0700 17472:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:26:26 -0700 17482:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:41:50 -0700 17484:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:44:33 -0700 17485:Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:47:02 -0700