[#376274] Best Linux Distro for Ruby? — Nick Hird <boondox@...>

What are some of the better linux distro's for ruby development? I know

15 messages 2011/01/02

[#376329] Is singleton class of an object already created? — Samnang Chhun <samnang.chhun@...>

I would like to know is there any ways to check is singleton class of an

12 messages 2011/01/04

[#376333] Threading in ruby — "Vishnu I." <pathsny@...>

Hi

13 messages 2011/01/04
[#376335] Re: Threading in ruby — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2011/01/04

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Vishnu I. <pathsny@gmail.com> wrote:

[#376339] ripl - an irb alternative - 0.3.0 released — ghorner <gabriel.horner@...>

ripl, a light modular alternative to irb, has reached 0.3.0. ripl

32 messages 2011/01/04

[#376382] Class Initialization? — Kedar Mhaswade <kedar.mhaswade@...>

I have a class and two class methods: self.encode and self.decode. The

14 messages 2011/01/05
[#376385] Re: Class Initialization? — Andrew Wagner <wagner.andrew@...> 2011/01/05

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Kedar Mhaswade <kedar.mhaswade@gmail.com>wrote:

[#376388] Petition to add Metasploit Project as Ruby success story — Christian Kirsch <Christian_Kirsch@...7.com>

I noticed the Ruby success stories on the Ruby website. I would like to make a petition to list the open source Metasploit Project as a success story for the Ruby website. The Metasploit Project has seen more than a million unique downloads in the past 12 months and has over 700,000 lines of code, compared to 100,000 lines of the highly successful Ruby projects Puppet and Ruby on Rails.

10 messages 2011/01/05

[#376453] Block variable - How is it read in English? — SW Engineer <abder.rahman.ali@...>

Following the "Ruby on Rails Tutorial", and under section "6.1.1

16 messages 2011/01/06

[#376574] Best way for Array#find+transform ? — "Jonas Pfenniger (zimbatm)" <jonas@...>

There is a pattern that I'm using quite regularly, but I'm not

17 messages 2011/01/08
[#376575] Re: Best way for Array#find+transform ? — Anurag Priyam <anurag08priyam@...> 2011/01/08

> I know I can come up with a new method on Array that would shorten this to:

[#376576] Re: Best way for Array#find+transform ? — Anurag Priyam <anurag08priyam@...> 2011/01/08

> paths.map{|path| File.join(path, filename)}.select{|name| File.exist?(path)}

[#376577] Re: Best way for Array#find+transform ? — "Jonas Pfenniger (zimbatm)" <jonas@...> 2011/01/09

2011/1/8 Anurag Priyam <anurag08priyam@gmail.com>:

[#376579] Re: Best way for Array#find+transform ? — David J. Hamilton <groups@...> 2011/01/09

Excerpts from Jonas Pfenniger (zimbatm)'s message of Sat Jan 08 16:05:05 -0800 2011:

[#376586] Re: Best way for Array#find+transform ? — "Jonas Pfenniger (zimbatm)" <jonas@...> 2011/01/09

2011/1/9 David J. Hamilton <groups@hjdivad.com>:

[#376606] Re: Best way for Array#find+transform ? — David J. Hamilton <groups@...> 2011/01/10

Excerpts from Jonas Pfenniger (zimbatm)'s message of Sun Jan 09 04:08:10 -0800 2011:

[#376680] Parallel Assignments and Elegance/Complexity Ratio. — Kedar Mhaswade <kedar.mhaswade@...>

In SICP, I read that "Programs should be written for people to read, and

15 messages 2011/01/11
[#376697] Re: Parallel Assignments and Elegance/Complexity Ratio. — Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@...> 2011/01/11

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Kedar Mhaswade <kedar.mhaswade@gmail.com>wrote:

[#376682] JRuby 1.6.0.RC1 released — Thomas E Enebo <tom.enebo@...>

The JRuby community is pleased to announce the release of JRuby 1.6.0.RC1.

14 messages 2011/01/11

[#376744] Case statements - Just beautification — flebber <flebber.crue@...>

I just want to clarify case statements the name after the word case is

10 messages 2011/01/12

[#376792] Ruby is interpreted and scripting language? — Sai Babu <sateesh.mca09@...>

I am ruby fresher.

16 messages 2011/01/13

[#376855] Retrieving and copying element from array — Simon Harrison <simon@...>

If I have an array like this:

11 messages 2011/01/13

[#376898] What are your ruby rough cuts ? — "Jonas Pfenniger (zimbatm)" <jonas@...>

Hi rubyists,

32 messages 2011/01/14
[#376930] Re: [poll] What are your ruby rough cuts ? — David Masover <ninja@...> 2011/01/15

On Friday, January 14, 2011 07:34:04 am Jonas Pfenniger (zimbatm) wrote:

[#376937] Re: What are your ruby rough cuts ? — Joseph Lenton <jl235@...> 2011/01/15

David Masover wrote in post #975080:

[#376959] Why Quby? (was Re: What are your ruby rough cuts ?) — David Masover <ninja@...> 2011/01/15

On Saturday, January 15, 2011 04:42:58 am Joseph Lenton wrote:

[#377020] Obscure syntax error — Rolf Timmermans <molfie@...>

Hi all,

16 messages 2011/01/17

[#377052] Calling by Reference - Two Questions — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...>

I know I'm not the first person to get stumped by how to get Ruby to

15 messages 2011/01/18

[#377072] The most recommended way of naming methods in Ruby — Edmond Kachale <edmond.kachale@...>

Rubists,

14 messages 2011/01/18
[#377082] Re: The most recommended way of naming methods in Ruby — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2011/01/18

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Edmond Kachale

[#377121] Improving performance of hash math — dblock <dblockdotorg@...>

I am trying to improve performance of Euclidian distance between two

13 messages 2011/01/19

[#377226] Totally lost in learning Ruby — Hilary Bailey <my77elephants@...>

This is my second attempt to understand Ruby. I completely read 1)

61 messages 2011/01/21
[#378239] Re: Totally lost in learning Ruby — Hilary Bailey <my77elephants@...> 2011/02/08

Hi everybody,

[#378246] Re: Totally lost in learning Ruby — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2011/02/08

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:16 AM, Hilary Bailey <my77elephants@gmail.com> wrote:

[#377236] using gems installed via 'sudo gem install' — "Piotr S." <thisredoned@...>

I've installed ruby-opengl through sudo gem install because there were

15 messages 2011/01/21

[#377362] pg gem 0.10.1 wth Ruby 1.9.2 does not work with method @pg_conn.exec_prepared(stmt_name, parameters) — Zeno Davatz <zdavatz@...>

Hi

9 messages 2011/01/24

[#377388] The finer points of postfix conditionals. — Jon Leighton <j@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2011/01/24

[#377411] Obtain data from .csv — Kamarulnizam Rahim <niezam54@...>

Sample of .csv file:

19 messages 2011/01/25

[#377609] why is overloading invalid in ruby. — Ted Flethuseo <flethuseo@...>

I don't understand why when I try to overload I get an error. Can I

36 messages 2011/01/27

[#377645] If you had the choice between Ruby & Groovy — Noah Cutler <sit1way@...>

Hey All.

15 messages 2011/01/28

[#377650] IDE? — <johan.tempelman@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2011/01/28

[#377703] Zlib::GzipReader and multiple compressed blobs in a single stream — Jos Backus <jos@...>

Hi,

11 messages 2011/01/28

[#377761] New to programming AND new to Ruby — "Cassandra K." <cassandra.k@...>

Hello. I am trying to teach myself Ruby. I have no background in

13 messages 2011/01/31

[#377785] 2011: Which Ruby books have you read? And which would you recommend? — "Aston J." <azzzz@...>

I know there are a lot of threads about books, but some of them are as

16 messages 2011/01/31

[#377800] How to know the exit status within at_exit() block? — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...>

Hi, my program invokes "exit true" or "exit false" and I want to catch

17 messages 2011/01/31

Re: Why Quby? (was Re: What are your ruby rough cuts ?)

From: David Masover <ninja@...>
Date: 2011-01-18 02:11:16 UTC
List: ruby-talk #377063
On Monday, January 17, 2011 05:20:10 am Joseph Lenton wrote:
> Charles Nutter wrote in post #975363:
> > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 4:45 PM, David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com>
> > 
> > wrote:
> >>> > things
> >>> > I actually feel are broken about Ruby as it is today.
> >>> 
> >>> I'm sorry to take this slightly off topic, but I just can't let this
> >>> comment pass. I am currently building a language called Quby, which is
> >>> a very Ruby-like language, that runs 100% in the browser (about 4,000
> >>> lines of JS). There are differences (as it's Ruby-like not Ruby) with
> >>> the main one being that it's tied to a canvas. But AFAIK it's the
> >>> closest pure JS implementation of Ruby (although it's Quby, not Ruby).
> > 
> > I have to ask...does an applet not give you what you want? JRuby does
> > run fine in an applet, and with recent improvements to the Java
> > browser plugin it can do anything a Flash or other language plugin can
> > do (traverse and manipulate DOM, etc).
> > 
> > - Charlie
[snip]
> I've built lots of
> applets in the past and although they can work they are far from being
> as reliable as Flash or HTML 5. Java penetration is still pretty bad,
> only about 60% of users have Java 6 which is over now over 5 years old.

Aside from this, the browser already has a perfectly good language and runtime 
already running (JavaScript), so adding another one can't be good for 
performance.

I will definitely consider applets when I can actually dictate the client to 
some extent -- for instance, right now I'm taking a physics class which 
requires Java, Flash, _and_ Silverlight (moonlight doesn't _quite_ work). If I 
were writing software with that much freedom to declare "You WILL have browser 
plugin X", then sure.

For the moment, however, my strategy has been to keep the client as simple as 
I reasonably can, and try to actually learn JavaScript as well as I know Ruby. 
JavaScript isn't a bad language, it's just ugly.

> >> First lots of small things I don't such as nil, hash comments and Ruby's
> >> block comments.
> > 
> > This is _exactly_ what I'm talking about. I already know how to write
> > Ruby
> > with things like nil and hash comments. I don't see why I should have to
> > learn
> > an entirely new syntax, and teach my editor an entirely new syntax, for
> > such
> > trivialities as replacing nil with null.
> > 
> > This just shouldn't factor into it.
> 
> It's not entirely new syntax, it's mostly the same (or very similar).

Maybe "entirely new" was the wrong word, but consider: I _like_ Ruby syntax. 
Occasionally, I'm forced to write C, even C++. But I'm still not going to do 
something like this:

#define self (*this)

> But that's a fair point as on the surface it does look like "change for
> the sake of change". I'd argue far more people have heard of null rather
> then nil, I bet more languages use C style single-line comments over
> hash comments, and Ruby block comments are really ugly and almost
> unusable.

Lots of Rubyists, Perlists, Pythonistas, and shell ninjas disagree.

> So I have changed items for common well known syntax rather
> then just random stuff.

But see, the problem is that rather than closely tracking an existing 
language, you're building a hybrid of both. In other words, your new language 
is really only going to be comfortable to those fluent in at least Java and 
Ruby, if not more languages. I like to consider myself fluent in both Java and 
Ruby, and it'd _still_ be problematic for me, as I'd have to constantly be 
wondering whether I should be following the Ruby or Java convention.

I guess my real question is, why'd you go with a new language rather than 
trying to implement an existing one? Why Quby instead of Ruby-on-JavaScript?

If the reason was to add this compile-time verification and make these 
language tweaks, I guess I understand, and don't really have much more to say 
about it other than that I strongly disagree.

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