[#372953] Strange whitespace parsing behavior on Ruby 1.8.7 (patchlevel 249/302) — Ehsanul Hoque <ehsanul_g3@...>

13 messages 2010/11/02
[#372956] Re: Strange whitespace parsing behavior on Ruby 1.8.7 (patchlevel 249/302) — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2010/11/02

On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 5:49 AM, Ehsanul Hoque <ehsanul_g3@hotmail.com> wrote:

[#372978] Re: Strange whitespace parsing behavior on Ruby 1.8.7 (patchlevel 249/302) — Ehsanul Hoque <ehsanul_g3@...> 2010/11/02

[#373013] Regular Expression — Dv Dasari <dv.mymail@...>

I am trying to write a reqular expression to match a word with my input

22 messages 2010/11/02
[#373016] Re: Regular Expression — Richard Conroy <richard.conroy@...> 2010/11/02

On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Dv Dasari <dv.mymail@gmail.com> wrote:

[#373018] Re: Regular Expression — Kendall Gifford <zettabyte@...> 2010/11/02

On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Richard Conroy <richard.conroy@gmail.com> wrote:

[#373049] UTF-8 aware chop for 1.8? — Ammar Ali <ammarabuali@...>

Hello,

12 messages 2010/11/03

[#373070] Ruby Perofrmance — Ruby Me <i_baseet@...>

Hi

21 messages 2010/11/03

[#373097] Ruby vs PHP for the web — Ruby Me <i_baseet@...>

Hi

43 messages 2010/11/04
[#373461] Re: Ruby vs PHP for the web — Charles Calvert <cbciv@...> 2010/11/10

On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:49:22 -0500, Ruby Me <i_baseet@hotmail.com>

[#373534] Re: Ruby vs PHP for the web — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2010/11/11

Charles Calvert wrote in post #960599:

[#373563] Re: Ruby vs PHP for the web — Jes俍 Gabriel y Gal疣 <jgabrielygalan@...> 2010/11/12

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Mike Stephens <rubfor@recitel.net> wrote:

[#373585] Re: Ruby vs PHP for the web — Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@...> 2010/11/12

2010/11/12 Jes俍 Gabriel y Gal疣 <jgabrielygalan@gmail.com>

[#373220] Create a class - ideas — flebber <flebber.crue@...>

15 messages 2010/11/06

[#373248] Code in a class but not in a method -- please explain! — "Bruce F." <brucedfeist@...>

I'm a newcomer to Ruby, and I'm confused about what executable

10 messages 2010/11/07

[#373260] sort_by is not stable ? — Michel Demazure <michel@...>

sort_by is not a stable sorting method (ruby 1.9.2 p0)

22 messages 2010/11/07
[#373262] Re: sort_by is not stable ? — Ammar Ali <ammarabuali@...> 2010/11/07

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Michel Demazure <michel@demazure.com> wrote:

[#373264] Re: sort_by is not stable ? — Michel Demazure <michel@...> 2010/11/07

Ammar Ali wrote in post #959889:

[#373265] Re: sort_by is not stable ? — Ammar Ali <ammarabuali@...> 2010/11/07

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Michel Demazure <michel@demazure.com> wrote:

[#373266] irb misbehaviour with arrow keys on Windows — Marvin Gülker <sutniuq@...>

Hi there,

10 messages 2010/11/07

[#373352] ruby-pg gem fails to install — Rajinder Yadav <devguy.ca@...>

i built postgres 9.0 from source and i am trying to install ruby-pg

11 messages 2010/11/08

[#373397] Analyzer for errors in code ? — David Unric <dunric29a@...>

Hello,

19 messages 2010/11/09

[#373421] help with code, new to programming — Steve Rees <stevoreesimo@...>

I am new to programming and have been learning Ruby using online

13 messages 2010/11/09

[#373479] ruby ORM — zuerrong <zuerrong@...>

Hello,

64 messages 2010/11/11
[#373480] Re: ruby ORM — Sam Duncan <sduncan@...> 2010/11/11

I've been writing Ruby for three days now. DataMapper seems very good.

[#373607] ORM's - Don't Do It! — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2010/11/12

Sam Duncan wrote in post #960638:

[#373616] Re: ORM's - Don't Do It! — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2010/11/12

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Mike Stephens <rubfor@recitel.net> wrote:

[#373634] Re: ORM's - Don't Do It! — Petite Abeille <petite.abeille@...> 2010/11/12

[#373663] Re: ORM's - Don't Do It! — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2010/11/13

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Petite Abeille

[#373666] Re: ORM's - Don't Do It! — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2010/11/13

My problem is the mismatch.

[#373676] Re: ORM's - Don't Do It! — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2010/11/13

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Mike Stephens <rubfor@recitel.net> wrote:

[#373746] Re: ORM's - Don't Do It! — "Skye Shaw!@#$" <skye.shaw@...> 2010/11/14

On Nov 12, 8:47m, Mike Stephens <rub...@recitel.net> wrote

[#374853] DRM Principle - Don't Repeat Microsoft — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2010/12/03

I was thinking about this last night and it's part of a belief I have

[#373481] what's an object? — "Eva" <eva54321@...>

I'm also switching from perl and php.

55 messages 2010/11/11
[#373482] Re: what's an object? — Alex Stahl <astahl@...5.com> 2010/11/11

Simple answer: everything. Everything is considered an object,

[#373490] Re: what's an object? — "Y. NOBUOKA" <nobuoka@...> 2010/11/11

> Simple answer: everything. Everything is considered an object,

[#373500] Re: what's an object? — Alex Stahl <astahl@...5.com> 2010/11/11

Not that I know the internals of the language well enough to debate the

[#373504] Re: what's an object? — "Y. NOBUOKA" <nobuoka@...> 2010/11/11

> Not that I know the internals of the language well enough to debate the

[#373511] Re: what's an object? — Alex Stahl <astahl@...5.com> 2010/11/11

Fair enough. The link even cites the Ruby spec to indicate that

[#373522] Re: what's an object? — "Y. NOBUOKA" <nobuoka@...> 2010/11/11

Did you recognize the difference between a method and a Method object?

[#373528] Re: what's an object? — Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@...> 2010/11/11

Disclaimer: I seem to be in a crabby mood this morning. I went back over it

[#373569] Re: what's an object? — "Y. NOBUOKA" <nobuoka@...> 2010/11/12

Hi, Josh

[#373571] Re: what's an object? — Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@...> 2010/11/12

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Xavier Noria <fxn@hashref.com> wrote:

[#373572] Re: what's an object? — Xavier Noria <fxn@...> 2010/11/12

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@gmail.com> wrote:

[#373576] Re: what's an object? — Robert Dober <robert.dober@...> 2010/11/12

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Xavier Noria <fxn@hashref.com> wrote:

[#373582] Re: what's an object? — Xavier Noria <fxn@...> 2010/11/12

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Robert Dober <robert.dober@gmail.com> wrote:

[#373536] Parsing XML with Ruby — jackster the jackle <johnsheahan@...>

I need to hit an https link and pass a username and password in order to

17 messages 2010/11/12
[#373547] Re: Parsing XML with Ruby — jackster the jackle <johnsheahan@...> 2010/11/12

It seems to be working...here is my test code:

[#373539] Scheme's (cond ((assertion) (value))...(else (value))) statement implemented in ruby? — timr <timrandg@...>

Hi Rubyists,

10 messages 2010/11/12

[#373599] help sorting objects by their instance field — Aaron Haas <aaron4osu@...>

I'm trying to figure out how to sort objects in an array by one of their

14 messages 2010/11/12

[#373618] Fast Debugger (Ruby 1.9.2, DevKit 4.5.0, JDK 6u22, NetBeans 6.9.1) — Allan Chin <achin5957@...>

I've been trying to run this configuration in debug mode on my Windows

17 messages 2010/11/12

[#373680] an each/block problem — Paul Roche <prpaulroche@...>

Hi, I want to take the value from an each method and place it in a

12 messages 2010/11/13

[#373722] Mysql::Result .each_hash - unexpected result — Andy Tolle <durexlw.register@...>

Consider the following code:

12 messages 2010/11/14
[#373738] Re: Mysql::Result .each_hash - unexpected result — botp <botpena@...> 2010/11/14

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Andy Tolle <durexlw.register@gmail.com> wrote:

[#373745] Re: Mysql::Result .each_hash - unexpected result — Andy Tolle <durexlw.register@...> 2010/11/14

botp wrote in post #961345:

[#373773] please help load from txt — Lark Work <lars_werkman@...>

hi i new to this forum and i have a problem a made a script containing a

17 messages 2010/11/15

[#373787] Can't get Ruby programs to work from Command Prompt — Dd Dd <dd25@...>

Hello; I'm having a problem running Ruby programs through the command

10 messages 2010/11/15

[#373852] cool.io 0.9.0: a cool event framework for Ruby (formerly known as Rev) based on libev — Tony Arcieri <tony.arcieri@...>

Github: https://github.com/tarcieri/cool.io

15 messages 2010/11/16
[#374061] Re: [ANN] cool.io 0.9.0: a cool event framework for Ruby (formerly known as Rev) based on libev — Eric Wong <normalperson@...> 2010/11/19

Tony Arcieri <tony.arcieri@medioh.com> wrote:

[#373930] Ruby Not observing DRY principle — flebber <flebber.crue@...>

HI I am hoping you can give me some guidance. I feel I really am

17 messages 2010/11/18

[#373990] Where to start from? — Ruby Me <i_baseet@...>

Hi guys,

16 messages 2010/11/18

[#374001] Ruby Programming — Tridib Bandopadhyay <tridib04@...>

Hello

18 messages 2010/11/18

[#374104] gsub and backslashes — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com>

Consider the string

16 messages 2010/11/20
[#374151] Re: gsub and backslashes — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2010/11/21

Ralph Shnelvar wrote in post #962847:

[#374114] Problem regarding regular expression — Stanford Ng <ngkooinam@...>

puts( /^[a-z 0-9]*$/ =~ 'Well hello 123' ) # no match due to ^ and

12 messages 2010/11/21

[#374127] why i can't find my ruby ? — Pen Ttt <myocean135@...>

i installed ruby this way:

18 messages 2010/11/21

[#374210] system() or process.create? — Fengfeng Li <lifengfeng@...>

Hi everyone,

13 messages 2010/11/23

[#374229] Regex negative look-behind bug? — Ruby Nuby <b1st@...>

irb, Ruby 1.9.1

14 messages 2010/11/23

[#374232] Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Peter Pincus <peter.pincus@...>

Hi,

85 messages 2010/11/23
[#374313] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Jörg W Mittag <JoergWMittag+Ruby@...> 2010/11/25

David Masover wrote:

[#374394] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — David Masover <ninja@...> 2010/11/26

On Wednesday, November 24, 2010 08:40:22 pm Jg W Mittag wrote:

[#374406] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2010/11/26

On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 1:42 AM, David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com> wrote:

[#374425] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — David Masover <ninja@...> 2010/11/27

On Friday, November 26, 2010 05:51:38 am Phillip Gawlowski wrote:

[#374444] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2010/11/27

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 9:04 AM, David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com> wrote:

[#374448] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — David Masover <ninja@...> 2010/11/27

On Saturday, November 27, 2010 11:41:59 am Phillip Gawlowski wrote:

[#374452] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2010/11/27

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 7:50 PM, David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com> wrote:

[#374462] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — David Masover <ninja@...> 2010/11/28

On Saturday, November 27, 2010 02:47:12 pm Phillip Gawlowski wrote:

[#374470] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2010/11/28

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 1:56 AM, David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com> wrote:

[#374472] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — David Masover <ninja@...> 2010/11/28

On Sunday, November 28, 2010 08:00:18 am Phillip Gawlowski wrote:

[#374475] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2010/11/28

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 5:33 PM, David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com> wrote:

[#374488] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — David Masover <ninja@...> 2010/11/28

On Sunday, November 28, 2010 11:19:06 am Phillip Gawlowski wrote:

[#374241] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Chuck Remes <cremes.devlist@...> 2010/11/23

[#374260] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2010/11/24

Chuck Remes wrote in post #963430:

[#374264] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Michael Fellinger <m.fellinger@...> 2010/11/24

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Brian Candler <b.candler@pobox.com> wrote:

[#374274] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2010/11/24

Michael Fellinger wrote in post #963539:

[#374278] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2010/11/24

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Brian Candler <b.candler@pobox.com> wrote:

[#374281] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2010/11/24

Phillip Gawlowski wrote in post #963602:

[#374332] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2010/11/25

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Brian Candler <b.candler@pobox.com> wrote:

[#374287] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2010/11/24

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Brian Candler <b.candler@pobox.com> wrote:

[#374293] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@...> 2010/11/24

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Phillip Gawlowski <

[#374294] Re: Ruby 1.8 vs 1.9 — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2010/11/24

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@gmail.com> wrote:

[#374299] Ruby's "More than one way to do things." — Jason Lillywhite <jason.lillywhite@...>

There is one point made about Python vs. Ruby on this site:

23 messages 2010/11/24

[#374431] relative-require v1.0 — "zimbatm ..." <jonas@...>

relative-require.rb

12 messages 2010/11/27

[#374437] How to use Ruby like shell script? — Yu-Hsuan Lai <raincolee@...>

Can I use ruby like my linux shell script(e.x. bash)?(or on the other hand,

21 messages 2010/11/27
[#374446] Re: How to use Ruby like shell script? — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2010/11/27

On Nov 27, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Yu-Hsuan Lai wrote:

[#374550] ruby on server side — Rajesh Huria <rajesh.huria@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2010/11/29

[#374557] Help sorting an array — Jim Burgess <jack.zelig@...>

Hi,

32 messages 2010/11/29
[#374730] Re: Help sorting an array — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2010/12/01

If you've ever read "Real Programmers don't use Pascal" (see

[#374747] Re: Help sorting an array — Ammar Ali <ammarabuali@...> 2010/12/01

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Mike Stephens <rubfor@recitel.net> wrote:

[#374751] Try it and see. — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2010/12/01

Ammar Ali wrote in post #965529:

[#374756] Re: Try it and see. — David Masover <ninja@...> 2010/12/01

On Wednesday, December 01, 2010 03:04:42 pm Mike Stephens wrote:

[#374771] Re: Try it and see. — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2010/12/02

David Masover wrote in post #965565:.

[#374785] newbie: variable names — Doug Stone <dstone@...> 2010/12/02

hello,

[#374587] RFC Future Ruby hash literal syntax — Michael Kaelbling <michael.kaelbling@...>

REQUEST FOR COMMENTS: Change to future Ruby hash literal syntax

15 messages 2010/11/29

[#374619] installing ncurses and IDE — Nikita Kuznetsov <moog_master@...>

Hi all, I was recently advised to use ncurses in order to do some event

11 messages 2010/11/30

[#374632] 'require' is not recognised — Tara Keane <tararakeane@...>

New to Ruby and trying to run benchmark

14 messages 2010/11/30

Re: Ruby vs PHP for the web

From: Chad Perrin <code@...>
Date: 2010-11-05 08:00:56 UTC
List: ruby-talk #373181
On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 11:11:18AM +0900, Ruby Me wrote:
> Thank you guys,
> 
> It would be helpful if anyone writes any conde in PHP and then writing 
> it in Ruby? I want to see the difference and how the code will be less.

As someone who has written a fair bit of both PHP and Ruby for the Web
over the years -- and very little of the Ruby actually using something
like Rails -- I think I know something about the subject when I say this:

1. Code snippets will not give you a good idea of how much one or the
other might save you any total code weight in the final version.  Pick
one small task that can be represented in a small snippet, and one
language wins; pick another, and the other small task wins.  In fact, for
the smallest tasks, PHP will almost certainly win because of its
literally *thousands* of core functions -- which, by the way, is *not* a
sign of good language design.  Last I checked, there were about 3100 core
functions, which is *obscenely* complex for a procedural language, and
pollutes the main namespace of the language to an insane degree.

2. Final code weight to accomplish a specific task is nowhere near the
same thing as the amount of code you have to *write*, anyway.  A lot of
code that gets written for any given non-trivial project is ultimately
deleted, usually to be replaced by other code.  One of the benefits of
Ruby is that it tends to lend itself to finding the "right" idiom for a
given task sooner rather than later.  PHP is not as good at that, and
tends to require a heck of a lot of refactoring as it scales up past the
size of a relatively trivial application.  A lot of projects simply do
not do that much refactoring, but the end result is a largely
unmaintainable mess of an application, like WordPress.  Reading the
source of WordPress is a bit like using thumbtacks for contact lenses.

3. Ruby's object model lends itself to far better code organization than
anything PHP offers.  This means that, even in cases where Ruby might
have the same amount of source code (or even more) to accomplish the same
task, it's a lot easier to understand because of the way it can be
divided up into discrete chunks that make sense.  PHP's unreasonable
facsimile of an object model and bolted-on half-baked namespace support,
by contrast, tends to creak under its own weight when developing any
nontrivial application.

All told, PHP is easier to use for the most trivial, single-page dynamic
templates, and harder to use to accomplish for anything more meaningful.
If all you're going to do is maintain a simplistic Website that contains
nothing but a little bit of simple logic in otherwise static pages,
perhaps populating some content areas from a couple of extra files, and
learn as little as possible, you might want to go with PHP.  If you're
going to do some real programming, though, I recommend Ruby; it'll
facilitate development more on larger projects, it'll encourage better
coding practices, and it'll be more fun.

A lot of people complain about the superficial ugliness of Perl.  PHP,
however, inherits pretty much all of Perl's flaws as a language, and
almost none of its benefits.  Ruby inherits a substantial percentage of
Perl's benefits, and not so many of its flaws -- even by the markedly
uncharitable opinion of what constitutes a "flaw" that may Pythonistas
would give you.

I have recently stumbled across a brilliant characterization of PHP as
training wheels without the bike.  It's hilarious -- and having used Ruby
for a while, it feels pretty true, too.  I suppose your mileage may vary.

Note that a lot of this has been a liberal mix of opinion and fact.  I
encourage you to *think* about what I said and do a little investigating
to confirm what I've said for yourself, rather than just taking my word
for it.  If you want my opinion, though, it's easily summed up:

I'm glad I don't have to write PHP these days.

-- 
Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]

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