[#349422] Date.parse('17:26:33 Oct 31, 2009') returns invalid date — Jacob Gorban <jacob.gorban@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2009/11/01

[#349519] All Gems Down? — Joshua Ballanco <jballanc@...>

I think I must be the only one using allgems.ruby-forum.com. It seems

17 messages 2009/11/03

[#349527] Ruby Inline over two times slower under 1.9 than under 1.8? — "Shot (Piotr Szotkowski)" <shot@...>

I’m starting to dip my toes in non-Ruby coding (for performance reasons)

13 messages 2009/11/03
[#349564] Re: Ruby Inline over two times slower under 1.9 than under 1.8? — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...> 2009/11/03

[#350186] Re: Ruby Inline over two times slower under 1.9 than under 1.8? — "Shot (Piotr Szotkowski)" <shot@...> 2009/11/11

Ryan Davis:

[#350196] Re: Ruby Inline over two times slower under 1.9 than under 1.8? — Roger Pack <rogerpack2005@...> 2009/11/11

> — Shot, who’s off to play with RubyToC now. :)

[#350228] Re: Ruby Inline over two times slower under 1.9 than under 1.8? — "Shot (Piotr Szotkowski)" <shot@...> 2009/11/11

Roger Pack:

[#349640] Odd : a = Hash.new(Hash.new) — Aldric Giacomoni <aldric@...>

irb(main):086:0> a = Hash.new(Hash.new)

13 messages 2009/11/04
[#349641] Re: Odd : a = Hash.new(Hash.new) — Aldric Giacomoni <aldric@...> 2009/11/04

Aldric Giacomoni wrote:

[#349685] Create HTML files using RUBY — Krithika San <skrithikaa@...>

Hi,

23 messages 2009/11/04
[#349690] Re: Create HTML files using RUBY — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/04

Krithika San wrote:

[#349691] Re: Create HTML files using RUBY — Krithika San <skrithikaa@...> 2009/11/04

Hi Marnen,

[#349692] Re: Create HTML files using RUBY — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/04

Krithika San wrote:

[#349720] Executing one of several ruby objects — "dhf0820@..." <dhf0820@...>

I am trying to write a program that will load a series of DSLs (ruby

11 messages 2009/11/05

[#349849] RCR enumerable extra into core — Roger Pack <rogerpack2005@...>

I'm considering suggesting that the base functionality for the

25 messages 2009/11/08
[#349853] Re: RCR enumerable extra into core — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2009/11/08

Hi --

[#349996] Re: RCR enumerable extra into core — Roger Pack <rogerpack2005@...> 2009/11/09

[#349888] Using Nokogiri — jzakiya <jzakiya@...>

I'm trying to scrape some data off websites using nokogiri

18 messages 2009/11/08

[#349926] FileString - request for comments — apeiros@...

Hi there

15 messages 2009/11/09
[#349931] Re: FileString - request for comments — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2009/11/09

On Nov 8, 2009, at 7:47 PM, apeiros@gmx.net wrote:

[#349987] Berkeley DB BDB Install on Windows — david <davidhooey@...>

I've been scripting in Ruby (and Rails) for about two years now, but

14 messages 2009/11/09

[#350007] Good or best way to allocate a large array — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com>

Newbie here:

45 messages 2009/11/09
[#350017] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/09

Ralph Shnelvar wrote:

[#350019] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com> 2009/11/09

Marnen,

[#350023] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/09

Ralph Shnelvar wrote:

[#350029] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com> 2009/11/09

Marnen,

[#350042] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — "Florian Frank" <flori@...> 2009/11/09

Ralph Shnelvar wrote:

[#350045] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com> 2009/11/09

Florian,

[#350047] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@...> 2009/11/09

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@dos32.com> wrote:

[#350048] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com> 2009/11/10

Rick,

[#350053] Re: Good or best way to allocate a large array — Florian Gilcher <flo@...> 2009/11/10

Hi,

[#350142] Calling a subprocess with specific arguments and capturing its output? — Dan Q <quinxex@...>

Hi. I haven't written Ruby in a while, and I was wondering if someone

9 messages 2009/11/10

[#350147] Roman Numerals (Arrgh!) — Rick Barrett <chngth3wrld@...>

I have a homework assignment where I have to convert an inputted integer

22 messages 2009/11/10
[#350150] Re: Roman Numerals (Arrgh!) — Rob Biedenharn <Rob@...> 2009/11/11

On Nov 10, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Rick Barrett wrote:

[#350152] Re: Roman Numerals (Arrgh!) — Gennady Bystritsky <Gennady.Bystritsky@...> 2009/11/11

On Nov 10, 2009, at 5:37 PM, Rob Biedenharn wrote:

[#350156] Re: Roman Numerals (Arrgh!) — Rob Biedenharn <Rob@...> 2009/11/11

On Nov 10, 2009, at 8:49 PM, Gennady Bystritsky wrote:

[#350159] Re: Roman Numerals (Arrgh!) — Gennady Bystritsky <Gennady.Bystritsky@...> 2009/11/11

[#350290] DRYing a Regex — RichardOnRails <RichardDummyMailbox58407@...>

I've got a routine that works fine at building an array of upper-case

42 messages 2009/11/12
[#350311] Re: DRYing a Regex — RichardOnRails <RichardDummyMailbox58407@...> 2009/11/13

On Nov 12, 6:50m, James Edward Gray II <ja...@graysoftinc.com>

[#350367] Naming conventions -- was: Re: DRYing a Regex — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/14

RichardOnRails wrote:

[#350368] Re: Naming conventions -- was: Re: DRYing a Regex — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2009/11/14

On Nov 13, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:

[#350369] Re: Naming conventions -- was: Re: DRYing a Regex — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/14

James Edward Gray II wrote:

[#350415] Re: Naming conventions -- was: Re: DRYing a Regex — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2009/11/14

Hi --

[#350426] Re: Naming conventions -- was: Re: DRYing a Regex — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/14

David A. Black wrote:

[#350359] Trajectories — Thijs Leeflang <t_leeflang@...>

hello,

60 messages 2009/11/13
[#350444] Re: Trajectories — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/14

Thijs Leeflang wrote:

[#350446] Re: Trajectories — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2009/11/15

On 14 Nov 2009, at 23:40, Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:

[#350447] Re: Trajectories — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/15

Eleanor McHugh wrote:

[#350449] Re: Trajectories — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2009/11/15

On 15 Nov 2009, at 00:42, Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:

[#350451] Re: Trajectories — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/15

Eleanor McHugh wrote:

[#350509] Re: Trajectories — Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@...> 2009/11/15

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@marnen.org> wrote:

[#350523] Re: Trajectories — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/15

Rick Denatale wrote:

[#350524] Re: Trajectories — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2009/11/15

On 15 Nov 2009, at 23:02, Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:

[#350529] Re: Trajectories — Todd Benson <caduceass@...> 2009/11/16

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Eleanor McHugh

[#350532] Re: Trajectories — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2009/11/16

On 16 Nov 2009, at 01:12, Todd Benson wrote:

[#350538] Re: Trajectories — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/16

Eleanor McHugh wrote:

[#350577] Re: Trajectories — Paul Smith <paul@...> 2009/11/16

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:57 AM, Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@marnen.org> wrote:

[#350593] Re: Trajectories — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/16

Paul Smith wrote:

[#350600] Re: Trajectories — Paul Smith <paul@...> 2009/11/16

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@marnen.org> wrote:

[#350602] Re: Trajectories — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/16

Paul Smith wrote:

[#350628] Re: Trajectories — Caleb Clausen <vikkous@...> 2009/11/17

On 11/16/09, Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@marnen.org> wrote:

[#350629] Re: Trajectories — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/17

Caleb Clausen wrote:

[#350645] Re: Trajectories — Caleb Clausen <vikkous@...> 2009/11/17

On 11/16/09, Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@marnen.org> wrote:

[#350454] How do I get a random number between two random numbers? — Alex Untitled <somebodydc691n@...>

I want to create a program that asks you to guess a number between two

12 messages 2009/11/15

[#350476] Traversing the contents of a proc (for a DSL) — Siemen Baader <siemenbaader@...>

Hi List,

11 messages 2009/11/15

[#350485] Using activerecord with mysql — Rob Mauchel <rmauchel@...>

Hi All,

13 messages 2009/11/15

[#350526] Newbie question: Defining a numeric type — Seebs <usenet-nospam@...>

I have a type which has a bit of internal magic, but fundamentally, I want

32 messages 2009/11/16

[#350535] Any official name for Ruby's class which makes "class methods"? — Hunt Jon <jona.hunt777@...>

We all know Ruby really doesn't have class methods.

20 messages 2009/11/16
[#350539] Re: Any official name for Ruby's class which makes "class me — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/16

Hunt Jon wrote:

[#350682] Re: Any official name for Ruby's class which makes "class me — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2009/11/17
[#350689] Re: Any official name for Ruby's class which makes "class me — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/17

David A. Black wrote:

[#350698] Re: Any official name for Ruby's class which makes "class me — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2009/11/17

[#350590] Google Wave: A new type of "Ruby Quiz" ? — Aldric Giacomoni <aldric@...>

Google Wave is, according to Google, "the new email". It combines email,

21 messages 2009/11/16

[#350594] something went wrong — Dev Tri <divyanshutri@...>

16 messages 2009/11/16

[#350669] What is the difference between the two following pieces of c — Doney Kaka <doneysr@...>

Don't really know where to go with this one, but I gotta know...

10 messages 2009/11/17

[#350679] Class inside a Method Body — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...>

I have a class that works fine if I declare it outside of anything. If

15 messages 2009/11/17

[#350705] Special characters in csv header using fastercsv — John Mcleod <john.mcleod@...>

Hello all,

17 messages 2009/11/17
[#350709] Re: Special characters in csv header using fastercsv — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2009/11/17

On Nov 17, 2009, at 10:24 AM, John Mcleod wrote:

[#350710] Re: Special characters in csv header using fastercsv — John Mcleod <john.mcleod@...> 2009/11/17

James,

[#350712] Re: Special characters in csv header using fastercsv — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2009/11/17

On Nov 17, 2009, at 10:38 AM, John Mcleod wrote:

[#350719] Re: Special characters in csv header using fastercsv — John Mcleod <john.mcleod@...> 2009/11/17

I'm not sure if the placement is correct but I'm still getting "Error

[#350810] Exact (LISP-ish) calculations in Ruby? — Aldric Giacomoni <aldric@...>

Has anyone written a gem for exact calculations? The kind one would find

25 messages 2009/11/18

[#350829] Ruby/tk Help Please — Sean Ob <sob4ever33@...>

I am a complete beginner when it comes to programming and i need some

20 messages 2009/11/18
[#350830] Re: Ruby/tk Help Please — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/18

Sean Ob wrote:

[#350924] How to strip ruby comments in a ruby line of code? — Alexandre Mutel <alexandre_mutel@...>

Short description : My question is : do you know any available method,

17 messages 2009/11/19

[#350969] Re-opening an existing module and changing a method — Aldric Giacomoni <aldric@...>

"I hear and I forget; I see and I remember; I do and I understand."

11 messages 2009/11/19

[#351010] RubyForge gem index is no more — Tom Copeland <tom@...>

Hello -

14 messages 2009/11/20

[#351084] Distinct Sets (#225) — Daniel Moore <yahivin@...>

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

21 messages 2009/11/21
[#351111] Re: [QUIZ] Distinct Sets (#225) — brabuhr@... 2009/11/21

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Daniel Moore <yahivin@gmail.com> wrote:

[#351170] Re: [QUIZ] Distinct Sets (#225) — Rob Biedenharn <Rob@...> 2009/11/22

[#351171] Re: Distinct Sets (#225) — lith <minilith@...> 2009/11/22

> http://gist.github.com/240457

[#351279] Re: Distinct Sets (#225) — Rob Biedenharn <Rob@...> 2009/11/23

On Nov 22, 2009, at 1:51 AM, lith wrote:

[#351137] Order of evaluation and precedence — Seebs <usenet-nospam@...>

In _The Ruby Programming Language_, it is asserted that order of evaluation

11 messages 2009/11/21

[#351245] More on psuedo arrays; Better way? — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com>

Newbie here:

15 messages 2009/11/23
[#351266] Re: More on psuedo arrays; Better way? — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/23

Ralph Shnelvar wrote:

[#351267] Re: More on psuedo arrays; Better way? — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2009/11/23

Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:

[#351271] Re: More on psuedo arrays; Better way? — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com> 2009/11/23

BC> Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:

[#351297] ideas for a "parameter sweep" program? — Diego Virasoro <diego.virasoro@...>

Hello,

11 messages 2009/11/23

[#351328] Warning: instance variable @foo not initialized — Seebs <usenet-nospam@...>

Running some simple tests with Prawn, I am getting thousands of lines

13 messages 2009/11/24

[#351367] Difference between << and += for Strings and Arrays. Bug? — Pieter Hugo <pieter@...>

Hi

14 messages 2009/11/24
[#351373] Re: Difference between << and += for Strings and Arrays. Bug? — Tom Stuart <tom@...> 2009/11/24

2009/11/24 Pieter Hugo <pieter@internext.co.za>:

[#351377] Re: Difference between << and += for Strings and Arrays. Bug? — Pieter Hugo <pieter@...> 2009/11/24

Hi Guys

[#351426] Ruby internals & other questions — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com>

Is there a document or website that describes how Ruby works?

17 messages 2009/11/25

[#351448] Ruby a good choice for CGI? — Nick Dr <nickhannum@...>

Ive been messing around with Ruby for a few weeks now, and I'm fairly

28 messages 2009/11/25
[#351452] Re: Ruby a good choice for CGI? — David Masover <ninja@...> 2009/11/25

On Wednesday 25 November 2009 01:12:19 pm Nick Dr wrote:

[#351453] Re: Ruby a good choice for CGI? — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/11/25

David Masover wrote:

[#351455] Re: Ruby a good choice for CGI? — David Masover <ninja@...> 2009/11/25

On Wednesday 25 November 2009 02:38:32 pm Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:

[#351456] Re: Ruby a good choice for CGI? — Judson Lester <nyarly@...> 2009/11/25

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:52 PM, David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com> wrote:

[#351461] Re: Ruby a good choice for CGI? — David Masover <ninja@...> 2009/11/25

On Wednesday 25 November 2009 03:00:49 pm Judson Lester wrote:

[#351508] Ruby byte access to disk sectors like dd does — Gary Hasson <gary@...>

I have been unable to find any reference to Ruby methods that provide

16 messages 2009/11/26

[#351548] Class variables, instance variables, singleton; Ruby v. C++ — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com>

Newb here coming from C++

31 messages 2009/11/27
[#351570] Re: Class variables, instance variables, singleton; Ruby v. C++ — Steve Wilhelm <steve@...831.com> 2009/11/28

Ralph Shnelvar wrote:

[#351579] Re: Class variables, instance variables, singleton; Ruby v. C++ — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2009/11/28

Hi --

[#351586] Re: Class variables, instance variables, singleton; Ruby v. C++ — Ralph Shnelvar <ralphs@...32.com> 2009/11/28

DAB> And of course this is one of the (many) problems with class variables:

[#351572] Local variables can't be accessed from outside, right? — Michael Winterstein <parzival@...>

Hi, I've been trying to figure out metaprogramming and I've mostly got

9 messages 2009/11/28

[#351637] Best way to distribute an app — Omar Campos <hypermeister@...>

Hello everyone,

16 messages 2009/11/29
[#351682] Re: Best way to distribute an app — David Masover <ninja@...> 2009/11/29

On Saturday 28 November 2009 09:03:12 pm Omar Campos wrote:

[#351655] ruby language parser in ruby — Brian Candler <b.candler@...>

I'm looking for a ruby language parser written in ruby, that I can hack

27 messages 2009/11/29

[#351753] have a problem with the loops and variable — Sajjad Po <magicc0d3r@...>

Hi Friends.

20 messages 2009/11/30
[#351756] Re: have a problem with the loops and variable — Michael Linfield <globyy3000@...> 2009/11/30

[#351788] Re: have a problem with the loops and variable — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/12/01

Michael Linfield wrote:

[#351796] Re: have a problem with the loops and variable — Sajjad Po <magicc0d3r@...> 2009/12/01

thank you friends.

[#351798] Re: have a problem with the loops and variable — Sajjad Iran <magicc0d3r@...> 2009/12/01

I want create a program like this.

[#351833] Re: have a problem with the loops and variable — Michael Linfield <globyy3000@...> 2009/12/01

Sajjad Po wrote:

[#351835] Re: have a problem with the loops and variable — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/12/01

Michael Linfield wrote:

[#351840] Re: have a problem with the loops and variable — Michael Linfield <globyy3000@...> 2009/12/01

For something small such as testing lets say a million keys, the

[#351842] Re: have a problem with the loops and variable — Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...> 2009/12/02

Michael Linfield wrote:

[#351755] Problem trying to get a constant with correct scope — Alexandre Mutel <alexandre_mutel@...>

I'm trying to get a constant inside a class (but i have to do it outside

11 messages 2009/11/30

Naming conventions -- was: Re: DRYing a Regex

From: Marnen Laibow-Koser <marnen@...>
Date: 2009-11-14 04:11:07 UTC
List: ruby-talk #350367
RichardOnRails wrote:
[...]
> As far as underscoring vs. Camel-case goes,  I know Rubyists'
> preference, but I bow to Shakespeare's notion that "a rose by any
> other name is just as sweet."  

It doesn't work that way in programming.  Good naming practices are an 
important part of readable code.  This is particularly so in a language 
like Ruby, in which "literate" interfaces are common.

I spent a couple decades writing/
> maintaining Window's application for clients using C and C++, so I've
> a fondness for Polish notation (at least that's what I think it was
> called.) 

Polish Notation is ナ「kasiewicz-style prefix notation, rather like what's 
used in Lisp.  You mean Hungarian Notation.

But in any case, *you've been had*.  Hungarian Notation as developed by 
Charles Simonyi is extremely useful in non-OO code (I've used it in PHP 
with great success).  Hungarian Notation as the term is usually 
understood is a very stupid thing indeed, which has unfortunately been 
foisted by Microsoft on huge numbers of Windows programmers who really 
should know better. :)  It is (at best) marginally useful in statically 
typed languages like C, and downright misleading in dynamically typed 
languages like Ruby.

The difference is that Simonyi's original concept encodes information 
*outside the scope* of the variable's type (which, after all, the 
interpreter or compiler already knows about).  For example, in a mapping 
system, you might have kmDistance and ftCorrection.  It's entirely clear 
from those names that kmDistance + ftCorrection would be adding 
kilometers and feet without a conversion, and thus it's immediately 
clear that that operation is wrong.

OTOH, legions of misled Windows developers would simply call those two 
variables intDistance and intCorrection, incorporating no new useful 
information and making the names harder to read.

For more on the misuse of Hungarian Notation, please see 
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Wrong.html (Simonyi's original is 
there called Apps Hungarian, while the popular perversion is called 
Systems Hungarian).  There's also some interesting discussion at 
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?HungarianNotation , if you can wade through the 
disorganization.

Systems Hungarian, BTW, is bad enough in C, where you should be able to 
refer to your variable declarations.  If your functions are so long that 
you can't refer easily to declarations, then you need to refactor to 
shorter methods for overall readability anyway -- methods should be 
short.  Systems Hungarian has no use at all in Ruby, since although 
objects are typed, variables are not, so it's perfectly possible to do
intValue = 1
# later
intValue = {:foo => 'bar'}

Even Apps Hungarian is not a great idea in OO code.  Instead, just use 
the type system, so that distance would be a Kilometer object and 
correction would be a Foot object.  Kilometer.+(foot) could then either 
raise an exception or invoke a conversion.

In summary, then, Hungarian Notation of either sort is inappropriate in 
Ruby.  Drop the habit.

> Typing extra hyphens vs pressing the shift key lets me write
> code faster, and the a/s/h prefix for arrays/strings/hashes helps me
> avoid a lot of interpreter complaints.  

If you care about removing characters from variable names, start with 
removing the Hungarian warts.  As I explained above, they serve no 
useful purpose in Ruby at all.  And I have to say, I don't find 
wordsRunTogether as easy to read as words_with_underscores -- the 
underscores look more like spaces and delineate the words better to my 
eye.  WouldYouRatherReadThisClauseHere, or 
would_you_rather_read_this_clause_here?

In any case, "snake_case" is the prevailing style in Ruby, and virtually 
every Ruby library uses it (including the standard library and Rails) -- 
your code will look strange if you don't follow suit.  The examples in 
Programming Ruby tend to use camelCase, but that's more of a flaw in the 
book than an indicator of Ruby practice.

> And fellow programmers of
> almost any stripe knows what I mean.  Finally,  I retired curmudgeon,
> and you know how we old folks are :-)

Age is not an excuse.  If you're going to learn a language, take the 
time to learn the idioms and the "spirit" of the language, not just the 
bare essentials of syntax.  I've seen far too many people try to write 
C, Java, or PHP in Ruby -- avoid the temptation!

> 
> Seriously,  your insight was very helpful and will help me avoid a
> bunch of wasteful code.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Richard

Best,
--
Marnen Laibow-Koser
http://www.marnen.org
marnen@marnen.org
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