[#335632] SOAP - issue with openssl verification failure — Venkat Alla <spinhoo2000@...>

I have the following code in a script that I am trying to use at work -

10 messages 2009/05/01

[#335755] Should I upgrade Ruby from 1.8.5 to 1.8.7? — Cali Wildman <caliwildman2004-info@...>

I just upgraded to Rails 2.3.2 but my Ruby is still 1.8.5. Rails 2.3.2

23 messages 2009/05/04

[#335777] my logroll code, please critique — Derek Smith <derekbellnersmith@...>

My goal is to keep 10 files each at 100Mb. Please critique and suggest

12 messages 2009/05/05

[#335842] '=||' — James Byrne <byrnejb@...>

Can someone point out to me where exactly in the API I find a discussion

18 messages 2009/05/05
[#335843] Re: '=||' — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2009/05/05

On 5 May 2009, at 20:51, James Byrne wrote:

[#336031] Superclass of eigenclass — Danny O cuiv <danny.ocuiv@...>

On page 261 of The Ruby Programming Language, they state:

30 messages 2009/05/07
[#336052] Re: Superclass of eigenclass — Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@...> 2009/05/07

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Danny O cuiv <danny.ocuiv@gmail.com> wrote:

[#336056] Re: Superclass of eigenclass — Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@...> 2009/05/07

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@gmail.com> wrote:

[#336061] Ruby memory usage — Pete Hodgson <ruby-forum@...>

Hi Folks,

23 messages 2009/05/07

[#336087] File over tcp? with out using net/ftp — Bigmac Turdsplash <i8igmac@...>

Im trying to send a file back and forth between a client.rb and

12 messages 2009/05/07

[#336160] CGI help — Jeff Leggett <hikerguy@...>

So, I am trying ot read the contents of a file and format the contents

19 messages 2009/05/08

[#336168] ruby string slice/[] w/ range, weird end behavior — Gary Yngve <gary.yngve@...>

First the docs:

17 messages 2009/05/08
[#336169] Re: ruby string slice/[] w/ range, weird end behavior — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2009/05/08

On 9 May 2009, at 00:26, Gary Yngve wrote:

[#336205] converting UTF-8 to entities like &#x525B; — Jian Lin <winterheat@...>

15 messages 2009/05/09

[#336385] Any current preprocessor/Ruby language add-ons? — "C. Dagnon" <c-soc-rubyforum@...>

This is kind of a wide-ranging question but for some fairly specific

16 messages 2009/05/12

[#336411] Whaaaaat? — Tom Cloyd <tomcloyd@...>

p [0..5].include? 0

26 messages 2009/05/12

[#336458] what could be improved in Ruby for Science? — Diego Virasoro <Diego.Virasoro@...>

Hello,

20 messages 2009/05/13

[#336505] Syntactic sugar idea — Daniel DeLorme <dan-ml@...42.com>

It seems that often an object will be passed into a block only to invoke

26 messages 2009/05/14
[#336508] Re: [bikeshed] Syntactic sugar idea — Jan <jan.h.xie@...> 2009/05/14

* Daniel DeLorme <dan-ml@dan42.com> [2009-05-14 11:42:31 +0900]:

[#336766] Berkeley DB or Store equivalent? — Mk 27 <halfcountplus@...>

I have never used mySQL because perl's Storable or BerkeleyDB modules

16 messages 2009/05/17

[#336783] permute each element of a ragged array? — Phlip <phlip2005@...>

Rubies:

19 messages 2009/05/17

[#336821] Sorting numbers as strings — Jack Bauer <realmadrid2727@...>

I'm trying to sort some strings containing numbers. The strings

14 messages 2009/05/18

[#336850] Introducing RubyScience on GitHub! — Joshua Ballanco <jballanc@...>

In the tradition of actions vs. words, I present to you:

14 messages 2009/05/18

[#336930] Create an exe with Ruby 1.9.1 — Marc-antoine Kruzik <kadelfek@...>

Hello !

23 messages 2009/05/19

[#336939] Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — J Haas <Myrdred@...>

Greetings, folks. First time poster, so if I breach

235 messages 2009/05/19
[#337023] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — J Haas <Myrdred@...> 2009/05/20

On May 20, 8:51m, Rick DeNatale <rick.denat...@gmail.com> wrote:

[#337025] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@...> 2009/05/20

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:35 PM, J Haas <Myrdred@gmail.com> wrote:

[#337045] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — J Haas <Myrdred@...> 2009/05/20

On May 20, 12:25m, Tony Arcieri <t...@medioh.com> wrote:

[#337016] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — Roger Pack <rogerpack2005@...> 2009/05/20

> ...maybe something like this:

[#337699] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — J Haas <Myrdred@...> 2009/05/28

On May 27, 10:21m, James Britt <james.br...@gmail.com> wrote:

[#337734] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — James Britt <james.britt@...> 2009/05/28

J Haas wrote:

[#337740] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — Juan Zanos <juan_zanos@...> 2009/05/28

On May 28, 2009, at 2:33 PM, James Britt wrote:

[#337745] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — J Haas <Myrdred@...> 2009/05/28

On May 28, 11:15m, Eleanor McHugh <elea...@games-with-brains.com>

[#337954] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — Steven Arnold <stevena@...> 2009/05/30

After listening to this debate for some time, the position of allowing

[#338133] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — Andy F <andchafow-ruby@...> 2009/06/02

[#338172] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2009/06/02

On 2 Jun 2009, at 06:20, Andy F wrote:

[#337581] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — J Haas <Myrdred@...> 2009/05/27

On May 22, 9:01m, Roger Pack <rogerpack2...@gmail.com> wrote:

[#337673] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — Juan Zanos <juan_zanos@...> 2009/05/28

[#337686] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2009/05/28

On 28 May 2009, at 15:06, Juan Zanos wrote:

[#337002] Ruby 1.8 vs. Ruby 1.9 — Calvin <cstephens4@...>

Hi,

17 messages 2009/05/20

[#337094] snailgun-1.0.2 — Brian Candler <b.candler@...>

New experimental project:

18 messages 2009/05/21

[#337115] w00t! Party for Gregory! — pat eyler <pat.eyler@...>

> On May 20, 2009, Gregory Brown wrote:

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[#337221] Cryptogram II (#206) — Daniel Moore <yahivin@...>

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[#337323] String concatenation in Ruby — Jagadeesh <mnjagadeesh@...>

Hi,

18 messages 2009/05/25

[#337340] Do you nest classes inside classes? — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...>

Object Orientation is conceptually about a sea of objects interacting

11 messages 2009/05/25

[#337366] Runnin code at a certain time? — Tom Ricks <carrottop123@...>

Hello all,

20 messages 2009/05/25
[#337392] Re: Runnin code at a certain time? — Caleb Clausen <vikkous@...> 2009/05/25

On 5/25/09, Tom Ricks <carrottop123@gmail.com> wrote:

[#337413] Other languages to try? — Adam Gardner <adam.oddfellow@...>

So, I've been programming in Ruby for a good while now. Not an expert,

20 messages 2009/05/26

[#337421] Newbie on Threads — Nabs Kahn <nabusman@...>

I'm creating a screen scraping software and I want to have X (let's say

13 messages 2009/05/26
[#337424] Re: Newbie on Threads — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2009/05/26

2009/5/26 Nabs Kahn <nabusman@gmail.com>:

[#337507] Something Not going with my LDAP using SSL — Xeno Campanoli <xeno.campanoli@...>

I have the following working with cleartext LDAP:

20 messages 2009/05/26
[#337539] Re: Something Not going with my LDAP using SSL — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2009/05/27

Xeno Campanoli wrote:

[#338073] Re: Something Not going with my LDAP using SSL — Xeno Campanoli <xeno.campanoli@...> 2009/06/01

Brian Candler wrote:

[#338082] Re: Something Not going with my LDAP using SSL — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2009/06/01

Xeno Campanoli wrote:

[#338084] Re: Something Not going with my LDAP using SSL — Xeno Campanoli <xeno.campanoli@...> 2009/06/01

Brian Candler wrote:

[#338094] Re: Something Not going with my LDAP using SSL — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2009/06/01

Xeno Campanoli wrote:

[#338095] Re: Something Not going with my LDAP using SSL — Xeno Campanoli <xeno.campanoli@...> 2009/06/01

Brian Candler wrote:

[#338096] Re: Something Not going with my LDAP using SSL — Xeno Campanoli <xeno.campanoli@...> 2009/06/01

Xeno Campanoli wrote:

[#337574] Installing Ruby 1.9.1 Binary on Windows Vista — Joel Dezenzio <jdezenzio@...>

I've searched and only found one topic which did not have an answer or

27 messages 2009/05/27

[#337671] death toll — deka <rocha.deka@...>

Hi, I am a Brazilian girl and I have a doubt abour numbers in English.

13 messages 2009/05/28

[#337823] Endless Ruby 0.0.2 — Caleb Clausen <vikkous@...>

endless.rb is a pre-processor for ruby which allows you to use python-ish

22 messages 2009/05/29

[#337841] Regular expression — Harry Kakueki <list.push@...>

I want to write a regular expression to do the following.

13 messages 2009/05/29

[#337869] Quine (#207) — Daniel Moore <yahivin@...>

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46 messages 2009/05/29
[#338000] Re: [QUIZ] Quine (#207) — pjb@... (Pascal J. Bourguignon) 2009/05/31

Robert Dober <robert.dober@gmail.com> writes:

[#338018] Re: [QUIZ] Quine (#207) — Aureliano Calvo <aurelianocalvo@...> 2009/06/01

I did something like that, but with parenthesis.

[#337899] Requesting Japanese Translation — James Gray <james@...>

I'm adding a little Japanese to a Ruby presentation I am giving. I

13 messages 2009/05/30

[#337961] nokogiri 1.3.0 Released — Aaron Patterson <aaron@...>

nokogiri version 1.3.0 has been released!

32 messages 2009/05/30
[#337962] Re: nokogiri 1.3.0 Released — Roger Pack <rogerpack2005@...> 2009/05/30

Aaron Patterson wrote:

[#337966] Re: nokogiri 1.3.0 Released — Aaron Patterson <aaron@...> 2009/05/30

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 06:43:05AM +0900, Roger Pack wrote:

[#337968] Re: nokogiri 1.3.0 Released — Iii Iii <bqotatjyujepur@...> 2009/05/30

> gem install nokogiri

[#337985] Re: nokogiri 1.3.0 Released — Aaron Patterson <aaron@...> 2009/05/31

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 08:37:54AM +0900, Iii Iii wrote:

[#338049] Re: nokogiri 1.3.0 Released — Roger Pack <rogerpack2005@...> 2009/06/01

Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse)

From: Marc Heiler <shevegen@...>
Date: 2009-05-29 21:21:15 UTC
List: ruby-talk #337883
> Maybe it was just a very special try of being funny?

Whoever wrote it can clear this up easily by stating what his intention 
was.

Personally, my experience was that sarcasm or irony often does not bode 
well in written text. Additionally, often people assume that something 
is insulting or otherwise harmful against them - written text is often 
limited in expressing human *intentions*. Or, some people have a hard 
time expressing their thoughts.

But anyway, let's jump to the proposal again (and we can see that this 
generated quite a stir... huge huge huge here hehe.)

I dont want to write too much, so I try to be short and concise:

- Personally, i think it *would* be nice to omit "end" and have my code 
still work. I do indent my code already with two spaces all the time for 
every meaningful code block anyway. Those "end's" aren't really helpful 
for my eyes.

- I do however not have a serious problem with that. It would be nice, 
but it is nothing where I would say "ruby sucks" because I cant omit 
ends. To me, it is not really important.

- As far as language design is concerned, I personally think it is not 
elegant if a parser bothers too much about meaningful indent. Instead, I 
think a parser should try to capture the INTENT of the programmer, and 
it is stupid if a parser stops working because the INDENT was wrong. It 
just strikes me as inelegant - and keep in mind that I said, I wouldn't 
mind to omit end at all.
I found it silly to not be able to just paste code into the interactive 
python shell, and have it work. It complained about whitespace crap, and 
I found this insulting. I think the best way would be for a parser who 
could allow for both, with "end" being the default, but a switch which 
could allow for a shorter ruby-like syntax where one can omit "end".

- I think python has one solid argument going for it (and please also 
keep in mind that I hate other python choices, especially the __foo__(): 
part. That includes the ':' in there as well) - whitespace and 
homogeneous structure would be something _I_ would appreciate. I love 
ruby's flexibility, but I would also love to have something 
super-concise AND homogeneous. And more readable, IMHO, too.

- As written above, I have one problem with the python whitespace. And 
this is the ':' part. I hate that.

'if foo:'

I do NOT want to get rid of "end" in ruby, if that means introducing 
something like ':'. The ':' is not beautiful at all, and thus it would 
not be a real improvement for me, if I have to clutter my code with ':'.

- I do not think that you applied the DRY statement correctly, because 
DRY applies for code logic primarily, not for satisfying a parser. And 
the "end" is there because of the parser.


> Programmers shouldn't be using freakin' tabs anyway, 
> and if they are, they _definitely_ shouldn't be mixing them with spaces.

Personally I used to like tabs, and reasoned that people could set their 
tabs width to whatever they like. But then I realized that i do comment 
my own code a lot, and suddenly I was mixing tabs with spaces.

I stopped at that very day, and used 2 spaces (2, because I usually like 
to have 80 chars per line, and not more. I am that old, really. I like 
80 chars per line, even though i sometimes use more than that - i think 
it is a good general rule of thumb to cut down below 80 chars / line, 
and with 4 spaces i just hit that threshold sooner)


Anyway, I think this is all mostly just happy discussing here. Ruby is 
the way it is, and to change something as fundamental as indent is way 
too difficult and probably has no huge gain whatsoever. Didn't Guido 
once say that, if he could switch one thing in python, he would no 
longer use significant whitespace?

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