[#24183] "yield called out of block" — Mark Slagell <ms@...>

Having just talked with a nuby in email, I believe this error message

27 messages 2001/11/02
[#24243] Re: "yield called out of block" — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/11/03

Hi,

[#24223] Too much eval evil? (tell me why I shouldn't do this) — gandy@... (Thomas Gandy)

I've been doodling with Ruby (experimenting with it in order to figure

13 messages 2001/11/02

[#24335] Joys of eval — Albert Wagner <alwagner@...>

A few weeks ago I posted a request for help with regexp, split, scan, et.

30 messages 2001/11/04
[#24337] Re: Joys of eval — Sean Middleditch <elanthis@...> 2001/11/04

On Sun, 2001-11-04 at 13:29, Albert Wagner wrote:

[#24338] Re: Joys of eval — Albert Wagner <alwagner@...> 2001/11/04

On Sunday 04 November 2001 12:43 pm, you wrote:

[#24339] Re: Joys of eval — Sean Middleditch <elanthis@...> 2001/11/04

On Sun, 2001-11-04 at 14:01, Albert Wagner wrote:

[#24340] Re: Joys of eval — Todd Gillespie <toddg@...> 2001/11/04

On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Sean Middleditch wrote:

[#24351] Re: Joys of eval — Sean Middleditch <elanthis@...> 2001/11/04

On Sun, 2001-11-04 at 14:31, Todd Gillespie wrote:

[#24466] Why is ruby slow (compared to perl) — "Aqil Azmi" <aazmi@...>

Hello,

29 messages 2001/11/06
[#24688] Re: Why is ruby slow (compared to perl) — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/11/08

Niko Schwarz wrote:

[#24694] Re: Why is ruby slow (compared to perl) — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/11/08

On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Sean Russell wrote:

[#24511] kill rdtool? — Stefan Nobis <stefan@...>

Hi.

51 messages 2001/11/07
[#24530] RE: kill rdtool? — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/11/07

[#24534] Re: kill rdtool? — Pierre-Charles David <Pierre-Charles.David@...> 2001/11/07

Mark Hahn wrote:

[#24535] Re: kill rdtool? — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/11/07

[#24536] Re: kill rdtool? — Eric Lee Green <eric@...> 2001/11/07

On Wednesday 07 November 2001 09:34 am, Mark Hahn wrote:

[#24538] Re: kill rdtool? — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/11/07

[#24540] Re: kill rdtool? — Eric Lee Green <eric@...> 2001/11/07

On Wednesday 07 November 2001 10:04 am, Mark Hahn wrote:

[#24541] Re: kill rdtool? — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/11/07

[#24542] Re: kill rdtool? — Eric Lee Green <eric@...> 2001/11/07

On Wednesday 07 November 2001 10:14 am, Mark Hahn wrote:

[#24666] I've ported the python nntplib class to Ruby. I will be adding comments to it soon. Here it is for public commentary and criticism — jheard <jheard@...>

require 'socket'

9 messages 2001/11/08

[#24698] ruby and webservices — Markus Jais <info@...>

hello

46 messages 2001/11/08
[#24715] Re: ruby and webservices — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2001/11/09

In article <9setsu$1378d4$1@ID-75083.news.dfncis.de>,

[#24730] Re: ruby and webservices — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2001/11/09

Actually...its me.

[#24801] Re: XML libraries (Re: Re: ruby and webservices) — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2001/11/09

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#24861] Re: XML libraries (Re: Re: ruby and webservices) — TAKAHASHI Masayoshi <maki@...> 2001/11/11

Hi,

[#24877] Re: XML libraries (Re: Re: ruby and webservices) — Bob Hutchison <hutch@...> 2001/11/11

On 01/11/11 2:20 AM, "TAKAHASHI Masayoshi" <maki@open-news.com> wrote:

[#24700] Strange behaviour of Array#[] — Michael Neumann <neumann@...>

Hi,

12 messages 2001/11/08

[#24750] BUG: net/telnet.rb gives select invalid argument excepition — Ville Mattila <mulperi@...>

20 messages 2001/11/09

[#24810] Ruby-Tk; feature/bug/misunderstanding? mouse-location during when a key is pressed in the presence of TkMenubutton — Armin Roehrl <armin@...>

Hi,

8 messages 2001/11/09

[#24820] ANN: Triple-R - The Rubicon Results Repository — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

16 messages 2001/11/10

[#24926] XML support in the standard lib — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>

Hi,

128 messages 2001/11/12
[#24928] Re: XML support in the standard lib — Bob Hutchison <hutch@...> 2001/11/12

[#25011] Re: XML support in the standard lib; what exactly? — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2001/11/13

PaulC wrote:

[#25018] Re: XML support in the standard lib; what exactly? — "Nat Pryce" <nat.pryce@...13media.com> 2001/11/13

The DOM is a pretty awkward API to both use and implement. An API based on

[#25126] Re: XML support in the standard lib; what exactly? — "James Britt (rubydev)" <james@...> 2001/11/14

>

[#25138] Re: XML support in the standard lib; what exactly? — "Simon St.Laurent" <simonstl@...> 2001/11/14

On Tue, 2001-11-13 at 20:53, James Britt (rubydev) wrote:

[#25151] Re: XML support in the standard lib; whatexactly? — "James Britt (rubydev)" <james@...> 2001/11/14

[#25202] Re: XML support in the standard lib;whatexactly? — "Nat Pryce" <nat.pryce@...13media.com> 2001/11/14

From: "Simon St.Laurent" <simonstl@simonstl.com>

[#25231] Re: XML support in the standard lib;whatexactly? — "James Britt (rubydev)" <james@...> 2001/11/15

[#25250] Re: XML support in the standard lib;whatexactly? — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2001/11/15

James Britt (rubydev) wrote:

[#25251] Re: XML support in the standard lib;whatexactly? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/11/15

On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Tobias Reif wrote:

[#25020] Re: XML support in the standard lib; what exactly? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/11/13

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Nat Pryce wrote:

[#25059] Re: XML support in the standard lib; what exactly? — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/11/13

Robert Feldt wrote:

[#25078] Re: XML support in the standard lib; what exactly? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/11/13

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Sean Russell wrote:

[#25080] Re: XML support in the standard lib; what exactly? — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2001/11/13

Hi all XMLers,

[#25102] Re: XML support in the standard lib; what exactly? — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/11/13

Hello --

[#25157] Re: XML support in the standard lib; what exactly? — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2001/11/14

Dave Thomas wrote:

[#25170] Re: XML support in the standard lib; what exactly? — chad fowler <chadfowler@...> 2001/11/14

[#25014] Re: XML support in the standard lib; what exactly? — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2001/11/13

P.S.

[#25023] Re: XML support in the standard lib; what exactly? — Bob Hutchison <hutch@...> 2001/11/13

On 01/11/13 9:56 AM, "Tobias Reif" <tobiasreif@pinkjuice.com> wrote:

[#25027] Re: XML support in the standard lib; what exactly? — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2001/11/13

Bob Hutchison wrote:

[#25037] Re: XML support in the standard lib; what exactly? — Bob Hutchison <hutch@...> 2001/11/13

On 01/11/13 11:21 AM, "Tobias Reif" <tobiasreif@pinkjuice.com> wrote:

[#24948] Refactoring tool for Ruby... — Stephan K舂per <Stephan.Kaemper@...>

Just being curious if someone has worked on a refactoring tool for

12 messages 2001/11/12

[#24955] Teach your kid math w/ruby — pete@... (Peter J. Kernan)

14 messages 2001/11/12

[#24958] Linux Magazine article — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

53 messages 2001/11/12
[#26103] Re: Linux Magazine article — "Bill Kelly" <billk@...> 2001/11/22

[#26116] Re: Linux Magazine article — Jos Backus <josb@...> 2001/11/22

On Thu, Nov 22, 2001 at 10:20:04AM +0900, Bill Kelly wrote:

[#25029] Set class in Ruby — Yuri Leikind <YuriLeikind@...>

Hello all Ruby coders,

18 messages 2001/11/13

[#25082] exiting blox — Niko Schwarz <niko.schwarz@...>

Hi there,

17 messages 2001/11/13

[#25101] ANN: REXML 1.1a3 — Sean Russell <ser@...>

Hiho,

23 messages 2001/11/13

[#25276] GC question — Tony Smith <tony@...>

Hi there!

20 messages 2001/11/15
[#25777] Ruby in windows — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/11/18

[#25788] RE: Ruby in windows — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/11/18

This is what I get from command line:

[#25291] Re: ANN: REXML 1.1a3 — Ben Schumacher <BSchumacher@...>

Tobias Reif wrote:

24 messages 2001/11/15

[#25383] Arrays, iterators, and map/collect — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

Hello all...

12 messages 2001/11/16

[#25432] Why not xmlparser? (was: Re: XML support in the standard lib;whatexactly?) — "Christian Boos" <cboos@...>

32 messages 2001/11/16
[#25678] RE: Why not xmlparser? (was: Re: XML support in the standard lib;whatexactly?) — "James Britt (rubydev)" <james@...> 2001/11/16

> I may have missed something, but the original question that started the

[#25722] RE: Why not xmlparser? (was: Re: XML support in the standard lib;whatexactly?) — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/11/17

James Britt (rubydev) wrote:

[#25732] Re: Why not xmlparser? (was: Re: XML support in the standard lib;whatexactly?) — "James Britt (rubydev)" <james@...> 2001/11/17

>

[#25850] Re: Why not xmlparser? (was: Re: XML support in the standard lib;whatexactly?) — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/11/19

James Britt (rubydev) wrote:

[#25689] Would like feedback on script to remove unused import statements in java — "Thomas R. Corbin" <tc@...>

I use this script all the time when developing in java, it really helps a

20 messages 2001/11/17
[#25829] Re: Would like feedback on script to remove unused import statements in java — "Ralph Mason" <ralph.mason@...> 2001/11/19

Is there any documentation on this anywhere?

[#25830] Re: Would like feedback on script to remove unused import statements in java — ts <decoux@...> 2001/11/19

>>>>> "R" == Ralph Mason <ralph.mason@telogis.com> writes:

[#25916] Why the appended '\n' in IO.readlines — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2001/11/20

Hi

[#25753] Misunderstanding or bug? — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

18 messages 2001/11/18

[#25808] KDE or GNOME curiosity question... — Robert Hicks <bobhicks@...>

I was just curious which desktop (of the two mentioned in the subject)

80 messages 2001/11/19
[#26360] Re: [OT] Re: KDE or GNOME curiosity question... — "Bill Kelly" <billk@...> 2001/11/24

[#26374] Re: [OT] Re: KDE or GNOME curiosity question... — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/11/24

[#26518] Re: [OT] Re: KDE or GNOME curiosity question... — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2001/11/26

> How hard would it be to have an option to use reference counting in a

[#26544] Re: [OT] Re: KDE or GNOME curiosity question... — "mark hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/11/26

> Circular references will cause the object to stay around indefinitely

[#26746] Re: [OT] Re: KDE or GNOME curiosity question... — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/11/28

Hi,

[#26825] RE: Ref Counting (was KDE or GNOME curiosity question...) — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/11/28

[#26827] Re: Ref Counting (was KDE or GNOME curiosity question...) — "Matt Armstrong" <matt+dated+1007407366.0f6d51@...> 2001/11/28

"Mark Hahn" <mchahn@facelink.com> writes:

[#25861] A bug invoking a method with send? — chr_news@... (chr_news@...)

Hi,

12 messages 2001/11/19

[#25907] String#== : Why not error with different type? — furufuru@... (Ryo Furue)

Hi there,

17 messages 2001/11/20

[#25954] a quick question — Tobias DiPasquale <anany@...>

Hi all,

21 messages 2001/11/20
[#25959] PocketPC — "Chad Fowler" <chadfowler@...> 2001/11/20

Has anyone gotten Ruby running (perhaps in some limited form) on the

[#26006] R: Re: Hello World considered harmful — Alessandro Caruso <a.caruso@...>

I thought the main reason people are moving towards Ruby instead of keep

19 messages 2001/11/21
[#26023] Re: R: Re: Hello World considered harmful — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/11/21

Alessandro Caruso <a.caruso@creditonline.it> writes:

[#26029] Re: R: Re: Hello World considered harmful — Erik B虍fors <erik@...> 2001/11/21

On Wed, 2001-11-21 at 15:31, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#26126] Conformance Test of XML Parsers in Ruby(20011122) — TAKAHASHI Masayoshi <maki@...>

Hi all,

27 messages 2001/11/22
[#26128] Re: Conformance Test of XML Parsers in Ruby(20011122) — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2001/11/22

TAKAHASHI Masayoshi wrote:

[#26134] Re: Conformance Test of XML Parsers in Ruby(20011122) — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/11/22

Hello --

[#26145] Re: Conformance Test of XML Parsers in Ruby(20011122) — Kevin Smith <kevinbsmith@...> 2001/11/22

--- David Alan Black <dblack@candle.superlink.net

[#26181] Re: NQXML Conformance (was Re: Conformance Test of XML Parsers in Ruby(20011122)) — martin@... (Martin v. Loewis) 2001/11/22

Jim Menard <jimm@io.com> writes:

[#26141] Passing class names to constructors. — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...>

If I want to create a variable number of objects, all of

14 messages 2001/11/22

[#26205] Book "Rub in 21 days" Table of contents online — Markus Jais <mjais@...>

hi

17 messages 2001/11/23

[#26214] generating and serving SVG — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>

Hi,

39 messages 2001/11/23
[#26215] Re: generating and serving SVG — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/11/23

On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, Tobias Reif wrote:

[#26270] Table: Ruby versus Smalltalk, Objective-C, C++, Java; — Armin Roehrl <armin@...>

Hi,

28 messages 2001/11/24

[#26293] The results are in... — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

28 messages 2001/11/24
[#26365] Re: The results are in... — Albert Wagner <alwagner@...> 2001/11/24

<snip>

[#26377] Re: The results are in... — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/11/24

On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Albert Wagner wrote:

[#26389] Re: The results are in... — Albert Wagner <alwagner@...> 2001/11/25

On Saturday 24 November 2001 05:03 pm, you wrote:

[#26391] Re: The results are in... — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/11/25

On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Albert Wagner wrote:

[#26337] Re: Table: Ruby versus Smalltalk, Objective-C, C++, Java; — "john%johnknight.com@..." <john%johnknight.com@...>

16 messages 2001/11/24

[#26362] Selector Namespaces: A Standard Feature for Smalltalk? — "David Simmons" <david.simmons@...>

Here is an incentive for classic Smalltalk evolution...

26 messages 2001/11/24

[#26537] Ruby vs. Python: Decisions, Decisions — "Bob Calco" <rcalco@...>

Everyone:

32 messages 2001/11/26

[#26557] Re: Ruby vs. Python: Decisions, Decisions — "Mike Wilson" <wmwilson01@...>

21 messages 2001/11/26

[#26651] Vote in the current poll! — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Hi,

26 messages 2001/11/27
[#26685] Re: Vote in the current poll! — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2001/11/27

In article <Pine.GSO.4.21.0111271419390.9896-100000@godzilla.ce.chalmers.se>,

[#26702] Re: Vote in the current poll! — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/11/27

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Phil Tomson wrote:

[#26752] Anyone know of a Regexp pattern random string generator? — "Ross Shaw" <rshaw1961@...>

I'm looking for some Ruby that given a Regexp pattern will generate a random

10 messages 2001/11/28

[#26782] RE: overload possible? — Wyss Clemens <WYS@...>

No, UNLESS you ask Guy Decoux (ts) to give you his *extension*

31 messages 2001/11/28
[#26791] Re: overload possible? — ts <decoux@...> 2001/11/28

>>>>> "W" == Wyss Clemens <WYS@helbling.ch> writes:

[#26792] Re: overload possible? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/11/28

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, ts wrote:

[#26847] Re: overload possible? — "Harry Ohlsen" <harryo@...> 2001/11/28

Here's a slightly better version, which also fixes the problem that

[#26860] Re: overload possible? — nobu.nokada@... 2001/11/29

At Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:13:36 +0900,

[#26861] Re: overload possible? — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2001/11/29

excellent idea...how about this refactoring...

[#26894] short article draft for review — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>

Hi,

26 messages 2001/11/29
[#26898] Re: short article draft for review — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/11/29

Hi --

[#26899] Re: short article draft for review — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2001/11/29

David,

[#26902] Re: short article draft for review — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/11/29

Hi --

[#26973] thoughts on virtual base classes, interfaces — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

16 messages 2001/11/29

[#26976] first class functions in Ruby — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelj-anti-spam@...1.dknet.dk>

In the thread on language design, I mentioned a wish for functions as first

15 messages 2001/11/29

[#26984] Can someone explain TupleSpaces? — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

I looked at the examples that came with drb, but I'm still not quite

16 messages 2001/11/29

[#27054] Using Enumerable — Peter Hickman <peter@...>

Im trying to write my own each method for a 'sort of' range class that

19 messages 2001/11/30
[#27057] Re: Using Enumerable — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/11/30

Hello --

[#27060] Re: Using Enumerable — Peter Hickman <peter@...> 2001/11/30

Thanks to all who replied, like all ruby it was alot simpler than I

[#27066] Musing — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

32 messages 2001/11/30
[#27079] RE: Musing — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2001/11/30

Do it Dude!

[ruby-talk:24802] Re: Why is ruby slow (compared to perl)

From: "Bill Kelly" <billk@...>
Date: 2001-11-09 20:46:58 UTC
List: ruby-talk #24802
From: "Sean Russell" <ser@germane-software.com>
>
> Curt Hibbs wrote:
> 
> > XP is does not really advocate "never break the rules". The XP
> > guidelines explicitly say its not necessary to "swallow the XP elephant
> > whole", but rather to use what works for you (or your organization) in
> > its current context. XP advocates would contend that the more XP
> > practices you adopt the more benefits you will realize.
> 
> Hmm.  I distinctly remember Kent Beck, in "XP Explained" saying that if you 
> aren't doing all (5?) of the XP "rules" at 100%, you aren't doing XP.  I 
> read that to mean:  if you break the rules, you aren't doing XP, which to 
> me means: don't break the rules.

[sorry so OT for ruby, but . . . gotta jump in before godwin strikes ;)]

I find the tone and attitude on the XP list to be much more like what
Pete McBreen wrote in [ruby-talk:24734], "Hence you never _break_ any
rules, you are continually changing the rules to match what is sensible
for your circumstances."

The refrain, though, is that it's actually recommended to _try_ the full
set of XP practices together, or as many as possible as fit your 
situation, for a few iterations, before deciding this one or that one
isn't applicable. . . which makes sense to me and is what we finally
committed to on our last project.  (Which was successful, and fun, and
delivered on-time, and didn't end in a death march, and had close to no
bugs slipping through the unit tests, etc.)  

. . . To get slightly back on topic re: execution speed, optimizations
vs. well-factored clean code, etc.  On this project above, we were 
working in Java, but did as much coding as possible in Jython.  Because,
frankly, well if we liked programming Java we probably wouldn't be
hanging out here on the Ruby list.  :-)  Now if JRuby had been available
when we started of course there would have been no contest, and that's
what we would have been using.  But I suspect the speed-performance
issues we ran into with Jython would be similar with JRuby.

As I mentioned we wrote as much code as possible in Jython.  This included
our HTML parser, layout engine, and renderer.  We were aware performance
was a real risk here, and we did some profiling up front and along the
way to try to monitor whether it was going to be an issue.  We had some
confidence of it being OK because we knew in advance the maximum size
HTML document we needed to render in this product.  Anyway of the three
components there, the layout engine ended up being too slow in Jython.
(The parser used a lexer that was pure regexp, and which did most of
the work, so the parser itself was very simple Jython.)

Anyway, the time came when we needed to rewrite all or part of the 
layout engine in Java.  We tried some tweaks to the Jython implementation
to see whether there was any chance of optimizing things there.  But
the method invocation overhead in Jython is just horrendous.

Anyway, the point, if I can ever get around to it, is kind of two-fold.
One, we were using a high-level language because we wanted to write
the most high-level, clean code we could.  I don't find myself willing
to second-guess or in the sense of premature optimization try to foretell
what part of the code *might* need to be "ugly" beforehand.  (Ugly
meaning twisted by performance optimizations.)  I mean, what's the 
point of using a high-level language if one is tempted to introduce
ugliness in the code.  At that point I sincerely maintain it's worth
considering whether one might be better off dropping to a lower-level
language for that part of the code.  And write it cleanly.  I think I
prefer our layout engine rewritten in Java, and kept the clean OO
architecture, than some kind of crazy-ass machinations [hypothetically]
possible in Jython that would have uglified the code but made it run
fast enough.

And anyway (again? - I keep saying that:) point two was that this was
all in the context of an XP project.  Our unit tests, in fact, were
immensely helpful in the rewrite of the layout engine in Java.  The
module still uses its original Jython unit tests, and it was great-
nay, superb!-having them there while the rewrite was being implemented.

So . . .. . if I get a chance to do another project this time in
JRuby, I will jump at it.  And I will plan to be still in the mindset
of writing the most high level code I can.  If some part of it 
eventually has to be optimized, so be it.  I don't see how it's in
conflict with XP's "Simple Design" principle.  At least it didn't
turn out that way on our project.


BTW - just as incidental information - a rather nicely formulated
'what is XP' FAQ was posted online yesterday:
http://www.xprogramming.com/xpmag/whatisxp.htm


Regards,

Bill


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