[#21872] Let's work on Windows support — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

98 messages 2001/10/01
[#21957] Re: Let's work on Windows support — "Benoit Cerrina" <benoit.cerrina@...> 2001/10/02

> I seem to remember that versions of Python compiled with MinGW can't have

[#21960] Re: Let's work on Windows support — "Furio R. Filoseta (tlf.)" <furifilo901@...> 2001/10/02

I am just a developer, not a Guru, but it seems to me that the .NET way

[#21963] Re: Let's work on Windows support — Albert Wagner <alwagner@...> 2001/10/03

On Tuesday 02 October 2001 18:20, you wrote:

[#21965] Re: Let's work on Windows support — "Furio R. Filoseta (tlf.)" <furifilo901@...> 2001/10/03

Come on, for Ruby developers in Windows environment. You may as well be

[#21969] Re: Let's work on Windows support — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/10/03

Hello --

[#22153] Re: Let's work on Windows support — "Conrad Schneiker" <schneiker@...> 2001/10/06

Hi,

[#22154] Re: Let's work on Windows support — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/10/06

Hello --

[#22167] Re: Let's work on Windows support — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...> 2001/10/06

On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, David Alan Black wrote:

[#22183] Re: Let's work on Windows support — "Furio R. Filoseta (tlf.)" <furifilo901@...> 2001/10/07

Who cares if they ditch the standard ? They will still have to be self

[#21959] Flogging a live Window — Eli Green <eli.green@...>

Ok, I wanted to get away from the theory and conjecture thread of the

23 messages 2001/10/02

[#22003] Marshal won't dump a Proc — "HarryO" <harryo@...>

I would really like to be able to dump a block of code via Marshal#dump,

17 messages 2001/10/03

[#22107] The Windows question still remains... — Robert Hicks <bobhicks@...>

VC++

17 messages 2001/10/04
[#22111] Re: The Windows question still remains... — Robert Hicks <bobhicks@...> 2001/10/05

Shan-leung Maverick WOO wrote:

[#22166] dRuby, Linux and ports — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

13 messages 2001/10/06

[#22219] - BRITNEY SPEARS NAKED----WOW!!!!!! — -.597i1468vn4848nc3958vn32858238@...

BRITNEY SPEARS COCK SUCKING VIDEO---EXCLUSIVE!!!

19 messages 2001/10/08

[#22257] [Newbie] Switching from Perl : suffling — Damien WYART <damien.wyart@...>

Dear All,

13 messages 2001/10/08

[#22299] Re: Less than 4 days now... — Andrew Hunt <andy@...>

>> Is everyone ready for the

27 messages 2001/10/09
[#22300] Re: Less than 4 days now... — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/09

Hi,

[#22310] Re: Less than 4 days now... — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/10/09

"Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@hypermetrics.com> writes:

[#22316] Re: Less than 4 days now... — Todd Gillespie <toddg@...> 2001/10/09

On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#22320] Re: Less than 4 days now... — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/10/09

Todd Gillespie <toddg@mail.ma.utexas.edu> writes:

[#22347] Re: Less than 4 days now... — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/09

On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#22325] blocks with min and max — Mark Slagell <ms@...>

I don't know if this has been raised before, but I'd like to be able to

17 messages 2001/10/09

[#22405] list comprehensions alike Python ??? — markus jais <info@...>

hello

20 messages 2001/10/10
[#22407] Re: list comprehensions alike Python ??? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/10

On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, markus jais wrote:

[#22411] Re: list comprehensions alike Python ??? — Paul Prescod <paul@...> 2001/10/11

Robert Feldt wrote:

[#22432] OSSL opinion — Michal Rokos <rokosm@...>

Hello!

16 messages 2001/10/11

[#22465] Learn Ruby/Tk or Ruby/GTK? && Problems with these. — "dAHen" <steensland@...>

Hi!

45 messages 2001/10/12
[#22472] Re: Learn Ruby/Tk or Ruby/GTK? && Problems with these. — "dAHen" <steensland@...> 2001/10/12

ts> No, you just need to have the header files and libraries for tcl/tk and

[#22520] Re: Learn Ruby/Tk or Ruby/GTK? — Kevin Smith <kevinbsmith@...> 2001/10/14

--- dAHen <steensland@hotmail.com> wrote:

[#22613] Re: Learn Ruby/Tk or Ruby/GTK? — stesch@... (Stefan Scholl) 2001/10/16

On 2001-10-15 19:58:29Z, Christopher Sawtell <csawtell@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

[#22625] Re: Learn Ruby/Tk or Ruby/GTK? — Kevin Smith <kevinbsmith@...> 2001/10/16

--- Stefan Scholl <stesch@no-spoon.de> wrote:

[#22632] Re: Learn Ruby/Tk or Ruby/GTK? — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/10/16

[#22645] What about FLTK? — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/10/16

[#22652] Re: What about FLTK? — Kevin Smith <kevinbsmith@...> 2001/10/17

--- Mark Hahn <mchahn@facelink.com> wrote:

[#22656] Re: What about FLTK? — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/10/17

That's good to know. It makes me more comfortable to proceed assuming FLTK.

[#22494] extracting from delimited text files — Albert Wagner <alwagner@...>

What is the simplist way to extract fields from standard quoted, comma

23 messages 2001/10/13
[#22496] Re: extracting from delimited text files — Robert Linder <robert_linder_2000@...> 2001/10/13

Check out http://ruby.yi.org/raa/en/all.html

[#22502] Open-ended ranges — Sean Russell <ser@...>

Before I post an RCR on this, I'd like to solicit information from the more

11 messages 2001/10/14
[#22503] Re: Open-ended ranges — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/14

On Sun, 14 Oct 2001, Sean Russell wrote:

[#22766] ANN: RuEdit - introspective Ruby editor — phlip_cpp@... (Phlip)

Here's the README file from http://sourceforge.net/projects/ruedit :

31 messages 2001/10/19

[#22769] How to Convert String to Regex to Perform Exact Match — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

10 messages 2001/10/19

[#22867] RE: I need some help!! — Mikkel Bruun <mikkel.bruun@...>

uhhmm...

14 messages 2001/10/21
[#22883] Re: I need some help!! — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2001/10/21

Mikkel Bruun wrote:

[#22886] Re: I need some help!! — "Avdi B. Grimm" <avdi@...> 2001/10/21

On Sun, 2001-10-21 at 15:26, Tobias Reif wrote:

[#22871] Preaching Ruby to the masses. How? — Kent Dahl <kentda@...>

Hi.

17 messages 2001/10/21

[#23063] Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...>

Ouch!

178 messages 2001/10/23
[#23076] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Eric Lee Green <eric@...> 2001/10/23

On Tuesday 23 October 2001 11:20, you wrote:

[#23084] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Michael Neumann <neumann@...> 2001/10/23

Eric Lee Green wrote:

[#23087] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Eric Lee Green <eric@...> 2001/10/23

On Tuesday 23 October 2001 13:25, you wrote:

[#23088] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/23

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Eric Lee Green wrote:

[#23096] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2001/10/23

[#23099] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/23

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Rich Kilmer wrote:

[#23090] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2001/10/23

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Michael Neumann wrote:

[#23085] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/23

Hi Eric and thanks for your detailed comments,

[#23119] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/10/23

Eric Lee Green wrote:

[#23141] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Emiliano <emile@...> 2001/10/24

Sean Russell wrote:

[#23219] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/10/24

Emiliano wrote:

[#23221] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Emiliano <emile@...> 2001/10/24

Sean Russell wrote:

[#23259] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/10/25

Emiliano wrote:

[#23264] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Emiliano <emile@...> 2001/10/25

Sean Russell wrote:

[#23439] Re: Issues with white space [was Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby] — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/10/26

Raja S. wrote:

[#23447] Re: Issues with white space [was Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby] — ts <decoux@...> 2001/10/26

>>>>> "S" == Sean Russell <ser@efn.org> writes:

[#23108] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/10/23

Emiliano wrote:

[#23214] () vs (...) in header files — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...>

There is a serious problem with including ruby.h and intern.h in C++

14 messages 2001/10/24
[#23283] Re: () vs (...) in header files — ts <decoux@...> 2001/10/25

>>>>> "P" == Paul Brannan <pbrannan@atdesk.com> writes:

[#23248] [ANN] RubyInRubyParser 0.1-pre-alpha — markus liedl <markus.lado@...>

53 messages 2001/10/25
[#23323] Re: [ANN] RubyInRubyParser 0.1-pre-alpha — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2001/10/25

In article <5.1.0.14.0.20011025083950.00bc30b0@mercury.sabren.com>,

[#23336] Re: [ANN] RubyInRubyParser 0.1-pre-alpha — Jimmy Thrasher <jjthrash@...> 2001/10/25

At 02:54 AM 10/26/2001 +0900, you wrote:

[#23350] Re: GUI / was [ANN] RubyInRubyParser 0.1-pre-alpha — markus liedl <markus.lado@...> 2001/10/25

> having a native window with a canvas which Ruby draws on using the BitBlt

[#23355] Re: GUI / was [ANN] RubyInRubyParser 0.1-pre-alpha — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2001/10/25

I wrote a sophisticated lightweight component framework on Java (before Swing) that was very fast. Of course, writing it in a "higher level" language adds overhead, but not as much overhead as bad design ;-) If you could have low-level primitives written natively and layer higher level constructs with Ruby, I think you could build a very responsive UI.

[#23369] Re: GUI / was [ANN] RubyInRubyParser 0.1-pre-alpha — Eli Green <eli.green@...> 2001/10/25

I never understood why Swing was so slow. I do know, however, that Swing is

[#23371] Re: GUI / was [ANN] RubyInRubyParser 0.1-pre-alpha — Avi Bryant <avi@...4.com> 2001/10/25

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Eli Green wrote:

[#23261] Ruby macros — Leo <lraz@...>

Hi Ruby experts,

19 messages 2001/10/25

[#23318] class Foo does not call Class.new? — Brian Marick <marick@...>

It seems that this:

25 messages 2001/10/25
[#23358] Re: class Foo does not call Class.new? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/10/25

Hi,

[#23360] Re: class Foo does not call Class.new? — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/10/25

Hello --

[#23395] Re: class Foo does not call Class.new? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/10/26

Hi,

[#23680] Re: ref. constructors and new (was: Re: class Foo does not call Class.new?) — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/10/28

Hello --

[#23396] Ruby and Python: a fuzzy question — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

37 messages 2001/10/26
[#23406] Re: Ruby and Python: a fuzzy question — "F. GEIGER" <fgeiger@...> 2001/10/26

Python and Ruby both are write/read scripting languages, which are in one or

[#23544] Fast reply needed: class var trouble — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Ok its getting late over here in sweden and I'm tired. Can someone please

21 messages 2001/10/26
[#23548] RE: Fast reply needed: class var trouble — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2001/10/26

[#23555] Re: Fast reply needed: class var trouble — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/26

On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Rich Kilmer wrote:

[#23557] Re: Fast reply needed: class var trouble — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2001/10/26

because you defined:

[#23558] Re: Fast reply needed: class var trouble — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/26

On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Rich Kilmer wrote:

[#23561] Re: Fast reply needed: class var trouble — "Ralph Mason" <ralph.mason@...> 2001/10/26

I would rather have the option to require declaration of all variables.

[#23619] sleeping, calling methods inside class defs — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>

ruby 1.6.3 (2001-03-19) [i386-cygwin]

15 messages 2001/10/27
[#23621] Re: sleeping, calling methods inside class defs — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/10/27

Hello --

[#23658] How to get a String to interpolate itself? — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

11 messages 2001/10/28

[#23668] Ruby's use of cygwin and commercial use! — Sunil Hadap <hadap@...>

Hi,

23 messages 2001/10/28
[#23865] Re: Ruby's use of cygwin and commercial use! — "Benoit Cerrina" <benoit.cerrina@...> 2001/10/30

[#23866] Overiding a method in another module — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/10/30

I want to write a module that overrides a method in another module. I have

[#23885] RE: Overiding a method in another module — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/10/31

[#23893] Re: Overiding a method in another module — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/10/31

Hello --

[#23713] Some inspirations from REBOL — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Hi,

42 messages 2001/10/29
[#23735] RE: Some inspirations from REBOL — "Ryan Leavengood" <mrcode@...> 2001/10/29

> However, it's got some nice properties that my friend has been

[#23738] Re: Some inspirations from REBOL — Michael Neumann <neumann@...> 2001/10/29

Ryan Leavengood wrote:

[#23764] Re: Some inspirations from REBOL — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/29

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Ryan Leavengood wrote:

[#23769] RubyGems Status (was: Re: Some inspirations from REBOL) — "Ryan Leavengood" <mrcode@...> 2001/10/29

> Any news on RubyGems? I'm not pushing you just wanting a status report

[#23773] Re: RubyGems Status (was: Re: Some inspirations from REBOL) — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/29

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Ryan Leavengood wrote:

[#23779] Re: RubyGems Status (was: Re: Some inspirations from REBOL) — "Ryan Leavengood" <mrcode@...> 2001/10/29

> Release to CVS as quickly as possible!

[#23783] Re: RubyGems Status (was: Re: Some inspirations from REBOL) — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/29

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Ryan Leavengood wrote:

[#23786] Re: RubyGems Status (was: Re: Some inspirations from REBOL) — Neil Conway <nconway@...> 2001/10/30

On Mon, 2001-10-29 at 18:56, Robert Feldt wrote:

[#23793] Re: RubyGems Status (was: Re: Someinspirations from REBOL) — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2001/10/30

OK...here's an idea for making a Gem a Ruby executable file...

[#23768] RCR: Fun with attribute shortcuts solves RCR #3 and more — Gunnar Andersson <dff180@...>

Hi everyone, remember this?

19 messages 2001/10/29

[#23868] Re: Ruby's use of cygwin and commercial use! — Andrew Hunt <andy@...>

Benoit says:

14 messages 2001/10/30

[#23876] New RubyGarden Poll: Windows support — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

28 messages 2001/10/30
[#23891] Re: New RubyGarden Poll: Windows support — "Nat Pryce" <nat.pryce@...13media.com> 2001/10/31

Please! Don't vote for what you think will win. Vote for what you actually

[#23896] Re: New RubyGarden Poll: Windows support — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2001/10/31

What would MinGW buy us over straight MSVC? Since MinGW ultimately uses the

[#23915] Re: New RubyGarden Poll: Windows support — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2001/10/31

In article <NCBBJBPADKGIOFLDNEALMEHKFFAA.curt@hibbs.com>,

[#23882] RubyGems Discussion — "Ryan Leavengood" <RyanL@...>

Wow, there has been a lot of discussion related to RubyGems over the

19 messages 2001/10/30

[#23904] Test::Unit = Lapidary + RubyUnit — "Nathaniel Talbott" <ntalbott@...>

I've been in discussions with Masaki Suketa and Ken McKinlay about the

12 messages 2001/10/31

[#23959] Creating charts from Ruby — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Hi,

16 messages 2001/10/31

[ruby-talk:23123] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby

From: Alan Chen <alan@...>
Date: 2001-10-23 23:41:21 UTC
List: ruby-talk #23123
On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 06:00:48AM +0900, Paul Brannan wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Michael Neumann wrote:
> 
> > Use the block paradigm instead. E.g.
> >
> > DBI.connect do | dbh |
> >   # do something with dbh
> > end
> >
> > or
> 
> This works fine for short-lived objects, but how can I use blocks for
> objects that get passed around?  I think that would be a case where I
> would have to implement my own reference counting in Ruby.  Not a common
> case, imo, but still important to consider.

You mean like this?

class SaveABlock
  def initialize(&block); @block = block; end
  def useablock; @block.call 1; end
end

a = SaveABlock.new { |i| puts "i: #{i}" }

a.useablock  => i: 1

> >
> > I'd hold against your last sentence, but I never tried it out.
> > But maybe 100K lines in Python are just 50K in Ruby ;-)
> 
> The problem is not the number of lines itself, but that projects that
> large have certain needs, and Ruby makes it difficult to meet those needs.
> For example, using inheritance in Ruby on a team with many programmers may
> be difficult, because really is no such thing as private instance data in
> Ruby. Nifty funtions like send() and method() allow the user to call
> private/protected methods that they should not be allowed to call (at
> least, not by accident).  Ruby lets you define a public method in a
> derived class that was private in the base class without so much as a
> warning, so you need to have full knowledge of the base class's *private*
> interface if you don't want to break something.

My impression is that you may be mistaking lack of maturity in Ruby
for lack of "large scale development" features.  The developer
methodologies to cleanly interface modules in large scale projects
haven't had as much time to mature in Ruby as in Python.  I think its
premature to make assesments of Ruby's suitablility for large-scale
programming. Many of the "large-scale" features mentioned previously
on this thread are really nice-to-have items not have-to-have.

All large scale development languages allow access to private data,
its a matter of how much pain you want to put the developer through if
they elect to access a non-public interface.  FWIW, I suspect that it
would be easy to write a module to disable the send and method
functions in a class. (or provide a warning if you'd prefer)

For me ruby as a language shows exceptional clarity and elegance at
many different levels. For example, I think the ease of interfacing
ruby with C will result in the language aquiring library bindings much
faster than Python or Perl in their early stages of maturity.  Ruby's
tradeoff between design purity and expedience is pretty much perfect
for me.

-- 
Alan Chen
President and Lead Developer
Digikata LLC
alan@digikata.com
http://digikata.com

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