[#57185] Cipher book for ruby — Shannon Fang <xrfang@...>
Hi all ruby gurus there,
Hi --
[#57196] Symbols and tainting — Tim Bates <tim@...>
I notice that calling String#intern on a tainted string returns an untainted
[#57198] ANN: MiniRubyWiki has struck again — Phlip <phlipcpp@...>
Rubies:
>
[#57228] What do some of Ruby's symbols mean? — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...>
This could do with some community input before going to the FAQ. The format
Hello,
Hi --
Hi David
----- Original Message -----
>>>>> "H" == Hal E Fulton <hal9000@hypermetrics.com> writes:
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 02:19:46AM +0900, ts wrote:
>>>>> "M" == Mauricio Fern疣dez <Mauricio> writes:
>>>>> "S" == Shannon Fang <xrfang@hotmail.com> writes:
[#57245] pickaxe — Shannon Fang <xrfang@...>
I kept hearing you guys talking about pickaxe, I tried to search it in
[#57246] [Revised] What do some of Ruby's symbols mean? — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...>
Thanks for the instant feedback. And apologies for the offensive late-night
[#57278] WIN32OLE — Shannon Fang <xrfang@...>
Hi,
[#57300] Help with mod_ruby and eruby — "Useko Netsumi" <usenets@...>
I did create the .rbx and .rhtml as instructed but it does not seem to work.
[#57309] For statements — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>
Hi,
[#57337] Memory consumption problem with recursion — squidster@... (Squidster)
Fellow Rubyists/Rubyians/Rubyans,
[#57349] [Revised again] What are the non-alphanumerical symbols in Ruby code? — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...>
Folks,
In article <04af01c299e6$e35ebdc0$d44532d2@nosedog>, Gavin Sinclair wrote:
[#57380] Ruby Book for People Who Aren't (Yet) Programmers — "Chris" <nemo@...>
Hello,
Oh, my, what have I begun? :)
[#57403] Newsgroup — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>
Hello,
In addition, this mailing list is a mirror of the newsgroup, so there's no
Ruby Book for People Who Aren't (Yet) Programmers
On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 04:50:10AM +0900, Daniel Carrera wrote:
> You might already have received it by now. Get used to receiving the
> I heard a little while back that there might be a Ruby book in the works for
Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@math.umd.edu> wrote:
> Perhaps you should introduce IRB right at the beginning, so that people
Hi --
David A. Black <dblack@superlink.net> wrote:
[#57448] LoadError -> `require': (null) - /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/i686-linux/sqlite.so (LoadError) — ahoward <ahoward@...>
[#57487] Conditional block operations — "Roman Rytov" <rrytov@...>
Is there a way to filter results of EACH or COLLECT functions? Let's say
[#57511] Re: exception types — "Shannon Fang" <xrfang@...>
Hi,
[#57551] Re: Fox threading issues — David Naseby <david.naseby@...>
The program shows the Linux like behaviour on Windows for me (locking up). I
I'm attempting to create a file within a directory
[#57557] Re: Ruby Book for People Who Aren't (Yet) Programmers — Mike Campbell <mike.campbell@...1.com>
>> Perhaps you should introduce...
On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 09:02:32AM +0900, Mike Campbell wrote:
On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 06:40:54PM +0900, Mauricio Fern疣dez wrote:
[#57587] Wiki recommendation — "Ted" <ted@...>
I'm planning to set up a wiki for non-technical users. Is there one that is of good report and comes well-recommended?
[#57588] about miniruby — simonced@...
[#57598] Class variables problem — Peter Hickman <peter@...>
I have used
[#57693] Re: elseif? — Shannon Fang <xrfang@...>
Well easy to learn and easy to read is most important reason I like ruby.
[#57694] Re: Ruby Book for People Who Aren't (Yet) Programmers — "Bill Kelly" <billk@...>
Hi,
Did you do multi-line statements in BASIC interactively? Like loops?
[#57717] Re: Enumerable#map_with_indices (was Re: Conditional block operations) — dblack@...
Hi --
[#57732] Re: Ruby Book for People Who Aren't (Yet) Programmers — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>
> I hate to say this but the _Windows_ irb (at least the one packaged with
[#57733] Re: Ruby Book for People Who Aren't (Yet) Programmers — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:22, Daniel Carrera wrote:
From: "Chris Pine" <nemo@hellotree.com>
[#57735] Re: elseif? — "Shannon Fang" <xrfang@...>
How about a vote? I vote to add elseif as an alternative... Least
> How about a vote? I vote to add elseif as an alternative... Least
Daniel Carrera wrote:
> Seems like adding an 'elseif' alias is a simple and
[#57756] install.rb — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>
Could someone tell me how the Ruby 'install.rb' scripts work?
>>>>> "D" == Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@math.umd.edu> writes:
[#57769] Matz's slides — Dalibor Sramek <dali@...>
Hi.
[#57791] Re: Best way to read data? — christopher.j.meisenzahl@...
Bill,
[#57793] Re: Ruby Book for People Who Aren't (Yet) Programmers — Carlos <angus@...>
> Here's what I consider to be one of the last programs before variables are
[#57794] Re: Ruby Book for People Who Aren't (Yet) Programmers — dblack@...
Hi --
----- Original Message -----
[#57816] ratlast 0.1 -- embedded FORTH in Ruby — Mark Probert <probertm@...>
In article <5.1.0.14.2.20021205171651.021cce20@zcard04k.ca.nortel.com>,
[#57826] Re: elseif? — "Ted" <ted@...>
Yuk! Ruby was presented to me as a 'clean' language.
----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----
[#57833] on error resume next — Shannon Fang <xrfang@...>
Hi,
Put the code you want to be executed in ensure:
Hi,
Hi,
[#57844] CGI.escape - doesn't — ahoward <ahoward@...>
ahoward (ahoward@fsl.noaa.gov) wrote:
On Friday 06 December 2002 03:20 am, Eric Hodel wrote:
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:45:44 +0900, Bruce Williams wrote:
[#57856] Buffered output on Windows — "Chris Pine" <nemo@...>
Quick question:
----- Original Message -----
[#57863] Re: elseif? — "Ted" <ted@...>
I find that vim does better brace matching with {}.
[#57883] Regexp imxo - does 'x' work? — ahoward <ahoward@...>
Hi --
[#57927] Printing subclasses — ted <ted@...>
Can Ruby print the subclasses of a given class? Like the reverse of the
[#57928] ML archive — "Shashank Date" <sdate@...>
Is there any place where this ML is archived so that we can download archive
[#57949] Re : PocketRuby for HP Jornada 820 (WinCe v 2.11, StrongArm processor) — "Simon Cedric" <simoncedruby@...>
I also have the same problem.
[#57968] Class-instance variables access — Francois GORET <fg@...>
Hi,
> I try to understand the difference between 'class variables' and 'class
[#57970] on error resume next — "Shannon Fang" <xrfang@...>
Hi all rubyists,
[#57992] irb aborts in 1.7.3 on Solaris — Jim Freeze <jim@...>
Hi:
[#58024] ?? weirdness in Find.find/lstat ?? — ahoward <ahoward@...>
[#58033] Ruby script with cvs invocations on Win — "Robert" <bob.news@...>
[#58037] Is it possible to convert a proc object or block to a string of Ruby code? — Michael Davis <mdavis@...>
Is it possible to convert a proc object or block to a string of Ruby code?
Matz does not hold the source code in memory so...no you cannot (unless
[#58041] File — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>
[#58049] YA ++ explanation — "Mills Thomas (app1tam)" <app1tam@...>
I've worked it out in my mind why ++ isn't valid. Maybe my thoughts will
[#58071] StringIO (was: Namespaces (was: protected program in a program)) — "Chris Pine" <nemo@...>
Check this out!
[#58093] Thank God for backups — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>
I was working on the tutorial just now and wanted to delete all the *~
In article <3DF21343.3060607@icqmail.com>, David Garamond wrote:
From: "Daniel Carrera" <dcarrera@math.umd.edu>
> alias rm='rm -i'
From: "Ibraheem Umaru-Mohammed" <umarumohammed@btinternet.com>
Scripsit ille Rudolf Polzer <AntiATField_adsgohere@durchnull.de>:
[#58099] Accessor for trace_func — <nathaniel@...>
Robert Feldt actually requested this back in ruby-talk:11158, but
I think this proposed RCR is a good idea. It allows trace funcs to be
[#58113] Re: elseif? — "Pe, Botp" <botp@...>
Hi David (aka dblack@candle.superlink.net
[#58122] regexp: zero-width match for PRECEDING atom — Emmanuel Touzery <emmanuel.touzery@...>
Hello,
[#58145] Newbie tutorial - if statements — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>
[#58163] Re: Newbie tutorial - if statements — "Chris Pine" <nemo@...>
[#58178] eRuby — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>
Hello,
[#58188] The Ruby Way — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>
What do people think of "The Ruby Way"?
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:39, Daniel Carrera wrote:
I bought it a couple of days ago. I've been working my way through it
I'm just getting started on Ruby. Would you recommend I wait a while
[#58199] Ruminations... — "Ted" <ted@...>
I was looking at "Ruby in a Nutshell" on Amazon's site and came across this in the Introduction on page 3:
[#58205] Emacs — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>
Hello,
Hi --
> 'Tis on your machine already :-) Look in the 'misc' subdirectory of
[#58214] Re: The Ruby Way — "Roman Rytov" <rrytov@...>
After all excited opinions regarding this book, that I agree with, I'd
From: "Roman Rytov" <rrytov@entopia.com>
[#58267] multi-dimension array — Shannon Fang <xrfang@...>
Hi there,
[#58299] -yet another (ruby) newbie question -string#concat — "Pe, Botp" <botp@...>
Hello Ruby Friends,
Hi --
[#58334] - how to create/modify []= — "Pe, Botp" <botp@...>
Hi Ruby friends,
[#58336] Re: multi-dimension array — "Shannon Fang" <xrfang@...>
Hi Guru,
[#58353] XMI... — Daniel Nicault <daniel.nicault@...>
Hi,
[#58355] Ruby in magazines? — christopher.j.meisenzahl@...
[#58364] Fix the time/date on your computers please. — montana <montana@...99.bsd.st>
Seems there are a bunch of folks mailing this list with incorrect dates set on their computer. I got ~ 100+ emails dated back to 1970 from this list and since my email is set to read them by date received, I had to return to the begining of my mail file to find them. I do not knoe if it is the mailserver doing this or the people sending the mail, but it would be nice if the problem was fixed.
[#58371] Redirect IO to String? — "Lind, Juergen" <Juergen.Lind@...>
Hi folks,
[#58376] Getting the latest file — bobx@... (Bob)
===
[#58380] irb Abort on Solaris Backtrace — Jim Freeze <jim@...>
Hi:
On Wednesday, 11 December 2002 at 8:11:18 +0900, Jim Freeze wrote:
>>>>> "J" == Jim Freeze <jim@freeze.org> writes:
[#58385] Environment variables — Maur兤io <briqueabraque@...>
Hi,
[#58394] Ruby BUG when using PStore and fork — Jeremy Henty <jeremy@...>
PStore does not appear to play well with fork. This script
[#58417] raa-install on Win32 — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
Hello...
[#58437] P.S. (Re: [RCR] Accessor for trace_func) — "Brian Wisti" <brian@...>
>
[#58438] warnings -w — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>
Hello,
Hi,
> It sets $VERBOSE to true, and gives you extra warnings on parsing.
> |Thanks. Can you give me an example of a parsing warning that it would
Hi,
> Oops, how about
Hi,
> It reminds me http://ruby-talk.com/12896
[#58458] mac os x eruby — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>
hi all, transami here. not that anyone has probably given it much thought, but
[#58473] Problems transporting nil values using XMLRPC (net/http ?) — Martin Hart <martin@...>
Hi,
[#58475] 8x8 matrix — "Sebastian Ruhs" <RembrandtAkaDodger@...>
Is there an easier way to create a 8x8 matrix then:
[#58479] Pymacs in ruby? — "Mike Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@...>
This is probably way, way OT, but has anyone considered something along the
----- Original Message -----
I'm attempting to create a vertical, single-column
Jason Persampieri wrote:
[#58497] Ruby Question — geoflorida2000@... (George)
I want to write command line Ruby program whose arguments will be a
[#58514] Seeking Ruby Samadhi — jsuntheimer@... (Jake)
Hi all,
[#58537] Re: FXRuby : Setting Default Height/Width in an FXList — David Naseby <david.naseby@...>
>-----Original Message-----
David Naseby wrote:
--- Lyle Johnson <lyle@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
Jason Persampieri wrote:
[#58543] Re: Proper Type for Dollar Amount — "Pe, Botp" <botp@...>
Hi Mark (aka Mark Probert [mailto:probertm@nortelnetworks.com]):
Mark Probert (probertm@nortelnetworks.com) wrote:
On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 04:03:25AM +0900, Eric Hodel wrote:
Actually, the meter has been redefined to be 1/299,792,458th of the
[#58545] Jabber layer for dRuby? — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)
Maybe it was at RubyConf, but I think I recall someone mentioning that
[#58546] Using amrita for generating static content? — Lloyd Zusman <ljz@...>
I'm a very happy user of amrita for generating dynamic web content. My
[#58563] replacing chars in string — "Shashank Date" <sdate@...>
I am trying to globally replace characters in a string by "chaining" the
[#58566] all the pretty evals... — "Chris Pine" <nemo@...>
So, I've been kind of confused about all of the different ways of evaling
[#58576] st_lookup problem with sockets on ppc — Dave Thomas <dave@...>
ruby -v
[#58597] calling a perl script — max <max@...>
hi
In article <newscache$1ymy6h$gu9$1@news.sil.at>,
[#58598] String.scan (Regexp again...) — "Shannon Fang" <xrfang@...>
Hi gurus,
[#58637] JRuby — "Shannon Fang" <xrfang@...>
Hi,
[#58640] Strainge Time Behaviour — whitton@... (Travis Whitton)
I'm manipulating some dates, and I just found something weird.
[#58653] deleting a class — "Chris Pine" <nemo@...>
Hello,
[#58657] functional programming "style" — "zesar" <i_wont@...>
i discovered ruby some weeks ago and i have to say now that i'm through with
[#58662] Re: The coolest thing since sliced bread — "Garriss, Michael" <Michael.Garriss@...>
Ugh! Free write forces users into a new editor? I'm lost without Vim.
Garriss, Michael wrote:
Iain 'Spoon' Truskett <spoon@dellah.org> wrote:
* Martin DeMello (martindemello@yahoo.com) [12 Dec 2002 11:03]:
[#58677] help -- persuade my boss to adopt ruby — Shannon Fang <xrfang@...>
Hi Ruby Lovers,
In article <20021211201110.F0B9.XRFANG@hotmail.com>,
In article <at893n02fn8@enews4.newsguy.com>,
[#58689] Re: [ANN] jabber4r 0.3.0 (doesn't work with raa-install) — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)
In article <20021211171825.GA2345@localhost.localdomain>,
Tom Clarke (tom@u2i.com) wrote:
[#58690] Re: The coolest thing since sliced bread — "Garriss, Michael" <Michael.Garriss@...>
Hmm.....
[#58718] How to detect Module Inclusion for Class Instances (like Module#extend_object)? — Martin Hart <martin@...>
[#58724] Problem loading extensions in OSX 10.2.2 — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>
Hi,
On Thursday, 12 December 2002 at 9:31:39 +0900, Dave Thomas wrote:
[#58730] Re: do I really not understand inheritance?? — "Chris Pine" <nemo@...>
AHA!!!
Hi --
Hmm.... I see what you're saying, I think. I was going to give you a
Hi --
Now that's interesting...
I don't understand all of this discussion, but the following may be
[#58738] Re: help -- persuade my boss to adopt ruby — "Ted" <ted@...>
Dang! Ugly American idioms...
My advice:
hi Russ,
OK, to fix a threading problem, I upgraded to Ruby
Hi,
[#58786] Ruby tutorial - update — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>
Hello everyone,
[#58804] Re: help -- persuade my boss to adopt ruby — "Shannon Fang" <xrfang@...>
>it's the MATZ'S position that Ruby will never be REAL WORLD language.
Hello Dan,
At 3:09 PM +0900 12/17/02, Bulat Ziganshin wrote:
The problem lies in the fact that these statements are equal:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:49:47 +0900, Rich wrote:
From: "Dan Sugalski" <dan@sidhe.org>
From: "Nikodemus Siivola" <tsiivola@cc.hut.fi>
I think matz's thoughts on the direction of Ruby are articulated here:
Hi --
----- Original Message -----
Hello Hal,
Hi,
At 3:36 PM +0900 12/16/02, Bulat Ziganshin wrote:
Mark Probert wrote:
On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 19:45, Hal E. Fulton wrote:
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:46:25 +0900, W. Kent Starr wrote:
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:58:26 +0900, Russ Freeman wrote:
> an object model is an *instance* of a data model for a particular
W. Kent Starr wrote:
Hello Peter,
[#58861] need advice for parsing directories .ftp. — AW <sturmpanzer@...>
Hi, Im currently working on a script that logs into an ftp server and
[#58866] require — Maur兤io <briqueabraque@...>
Guys,
[#58870] replace setup.rb/install.rb with builtin module — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)
I proposed this idea last night on the tail-end of another thread and on
[#58879] Re: [RCR] Global Regexp Match Mechanism (//g) — "Austin Ziegler" <austin@...>
#scan doesn't solve the ultimate problem -- being able to backtrack and rescan from an earlier position (a la Perl's pos() function). Scan would work "OK" if it returned an array of MatchData instead of Strings. BTW, my posted code almost works. I meant to say that I wanted to do that without doing "foostr = md.post_match".
Hi,
nobu.nokada@softhome.net writes:
Hi,
[#58890] Re: help -- persuade my boss to adopt ruby — GBanschbach@...
[#58913] Inheritance Question — Jim Freeze <jim@...>
Hi
From: "Jim Freeze" <jim@freeze.org>
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Gavin Sinclair wrote:
From: "Jim Freeze" <jim@freeze.org>
From: "Jim Freeze" <jim@freeze.org>
On Friday, 13 December 2002 at 15:45:27 +0900, Gavin Sinclair wrote:
>>>>> "J" == Jim Freeze <jim@freeze.org> writes:
>>>>> "a" == ahoward <ahoward@fsl.noaa.gov> writes:
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, ts wrote:
>>>>> "a" == ahoward <ahoward@fsl.noaa.gov> writes:
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, ts wrote:
>>>>> "a" == ahoward <ahoward@fsl.noaa.gov> writes:
[#58970] ENV['HOME'] on win32 — "Jake" <jsuntheimer@...>
What is the connical workaround for the absense of the HOME variable on the
[#58984] TCP Server — "Shannon Fang" <xrfang@...>
Hi,
[#58989] Splitomania - advice welcome — Anders Engstr <aengstrom@...>
Hi.
[#58999] Can an .rbx file send it's own code? — "Chris Pine" <nemo@...>
Hello,
[#59030] Ruby slow?? — "Garriss, Michael" <Michael.Garriss@...>
Found this site about how languages stack up against each other. This test
[#59035] ruby core dump (1.6.8 on FreeBSD) — Brad Hilton <bhilton@...>
I have found a reproducible code snippet which causes a ruby core dump. It
>>>>> "B" == Brad Hilton <bhilton@vpop.net> writes:
On Sunday 15 December 2002 6:09 am, ts wrote:
Hi,
I have subclassed FXTreeItem (MyTreeItem) and built a
Jason Persampieri wrote:
Ahhh... always one step ahead of me, aren't ya?
[#59036] Re: Ruby slow?? — "lyle@..." <lyle@...>
yes, ruby is often slower than other languages, but that is simply the price
Tom Sawyer <transami@transami.net> writes:
[#59051] Re: [RCR] Global Regexp Match Mechanism (//g) — "Austin Ziegler" <austin@...>
Okay; since 90% of what we need is present, why not add a new method to Regexp, #gmatch(str, pos = nil, flags = nil). Adding pos to #match seems a poor fit because of the flags argument already present. Also, if a MatchData is passed as str, it should implicitly call MatchData#end for pos unless pos is non-nil. IMO, being explicit about doing a //g-type match is a Good Thing.
[#59080] Is it wise to extend Matrix? — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...>
Since the thread "Inheritance question" has become so deep (physically :) and
On Saturday, 14 December 2002 at 22:36:11 +0900, Gavin Sinclair wrote:
>>>>> "J" == Jim Freeze <jim@freeze.org> writes:
[#59108] un-extending objects — dblack@...
Hi --
>>>>> "d" == dblack <dblack@candle.superlink.net> writes:
[#59111] Ruby zlib on 1.7.3/W2k - uncompressing value from http get — Jeff Schilling <jeff@...>
I am using the PragProg 1.7.3 distro of ruby which includes zlib 0.5.1
[#59131] strange DB problem — Shannon Fang <xrfang@...>
Hi,
[#59172] Ruby in Bioinformatics — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)
I'm looking into getting into Bioinformatics (hey, there seem to be some
[#59174] Toward ruby-lang.org renewal; trial website offered — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)
Hi,
In article <1040016368.023015.27793.nullmailer@picachu.netlab.jp>,
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:26:19 +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:11 pm, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
Hi, all,
[#59176] Matz's LL2 Video Available — Alain Hoang <hoanga@...>
Hello Ruby folk,
[#59180] Exception handling — "Aleksei Guzev" <aleksei.guzev@...>
Good day!
[#59191] Sandboxing and threading — Tim Bates <tim@...>
Dear all,
[#59208] Re: Toward ruby-lang.org renewal; trial website offered — "Pe, Botp" <botp@...>
Trevor.Jenkins@suneidesis.com commented:
[#59223] any japanese books being translated to english ?? — Markus Jais <mjais@...>
hello
[#59257] Deep copy in Rub? — christopher.j.meisenzahl@...
Matt Armstrong wrote:
Hello Kent,
[#59276] How to return value from middle of a block? — Jim Freeze <jim@...>
Hi:
[#59297] dialup connection — "Gustav G." <gaga6@...>
Hi there,
[#59302] standard accessor for List attribute — ddet@... (Det)
Hello everyone,
[#59324] code review — "Davide Varvello" <D.Varvello@...>
Hi All,
[#59330] Does rdoc generate line numbers? — Jim Freeze <jim@...>
Hi:
On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 07:39, Jim Freeze wrote:
[#59343] OT: Functional Language Recommendation — Wai-Sun Chia <waisun.chia@...>
Sorry for the OT post, but I need some advise from some like-minded
Wai-Sun Chia <waisun.chia@hp.com> writes:
[#59374] Ruby instead of PHP? — "Dominik Werder" <d.werder@...>
Hi there,
[#59382] Re: Confessions of a Ruby programmer — "Shannon Fang" <xrfang@...>
It is surely inspiring to hear this. I am now actively "alluring" friends to
[#59392] Re: [OT] RE: help -- persuade my boss to adopt ruby — "Austin Ziegler" <austin@...>
> Ok, I confess: I know nothing about data
>It is a confusing term, so I'll do my best
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:43:51 +0900, Russ Freeman wrote:
[#59400] named parameters — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>
Is there a way to write a function with named parameters?
[#59449] Regex#=== with non-string argument — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...>
[#59488] Hash.new{...} bug? — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...>
Hello ruby-talk,
[#59491] Why a compiled Ruby? — christopher.j.meisenzahl@...
[#59496] automating script for a command line utility — "Shashank Date" <sdate@...>
I am trying to automate an interactive DOS command line utility (something
[#59508] ANN: FXRuby-1.0.17 Now Available — Lyle Johnson <lyle@...>
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
On Thursday, 19 December 2002 at 2:51:08 +0900, Lyle Johnson wrote:
Jim Freeze wrote:
On Thursday, 19 December 2002 at 7:11:59 +0900, Lyle Johnson wrote:
Jim Freeze wrote:
Hi Lyle,
I upgraded yesterday to Mac OS X 10.2.3 and to Ruby 1.6.8 preview 4
Mark Wilson wrote:
I got FXRuby-1.0.17 installed. When I try to use it I get the
[#59509] Mommy, where do methods come from? — "Chris Pine" <nemo@...>
(Sorry for the subject; couldn't help myself! :)
[#59517] Re: Confessions of a Ruby programmer — "Shannon Fang" <xrfang@...>
Hi,
[#59563] Socket problem — Child <child@...9.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>
Hello
Hi,
In article <200212190343.gBJ3hZb22278@sharui.nakada.kanuma.tochigi.jp>,
[#59564] Test::Unit 0.1.5 — <nathaniel@...>
What with all the holiday cheer going around (who can't be cheerful with
nathaniel@NOSPAMtalbott.ws wrote:
Lyle Johnson [mailto:lyle@users.sourceforge.net] wrote:
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[#59569] How to include some text and exclude other in one regular expression? — Usano <usano@...>
I would like to match "file 1 of 2" or "1 of 2", but not "day 1 of 2".
[#59590] Few question about IO — Radek Hnilica <Radek@...>
Hello,
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Radek Hnilica wrote:
[#59598] Re: [ANN] ByteCodeRuby 0.1.3 — "Shannon Fang" <xrfang@...>
Hi,
[#59602] ruby-1.6.8-preview4 compile fails in ncurses — Jeremy Henty <jeremy@...>
Compiling ruby-1.6.8-preview fails with lots of undefined references
[#59606] sleeping threads — Jonas Hoffmann <ruby@...>
Hello,
[#59607] unix and windows {Re: [ANN] ByteCodeRuby 0.1.3} — "Shannon Fang" <xrfang@...>
Hi,
[#59619] ANN: MiniRubyWiki does NerveCenter, WikiStyleSheet, Minor Edits — Phlip <phlipcpp@...>
Rubies:
[#59654] determing defined constants for a class — Robert McGovern <tarasis@...>
From looking at the docs I can see that it is possible to determine
[#59670] msys w/ FXRuby — Norman Su <normsu@...>
Hi, I'm currently trying to compile FXRuby 1.0.17 with the latest version of
[#59694] testunit-0.1.5 install failure (may be setup.rb) — Jim Freeze <jim@...>
Hi
Jim Freeze [mailto:jim@freeze.org] wrote:
[#59699] mod_ruby - eruby - apache 2? — "Useko Netsumi" <usenets@...>
anyone work on that? i've been struggling to get the above combination to
[#59720] Re: testunit-0.1.5 install failure (may be setup.rb) — "Brian Wisti" <brian@...>
I figured out the problem. The default stacksize on Mac OS X is 512
[#59726] How to query FLT_MAX from Ruby code? — Lyle Johnson <lyle@...>
I hope I'm not setting myself up for a Doh! moment...
[#59734] String#to_class? — Tim Bates <tim@...>
I have a class being used in a unit test:
[#59759] Quickest way to get md5 of a file? — coma_killen@...
Hi,
[#59763] smtp server — Shannon Fang <xrfang@...>
Hello,
[#59777] Hash#update — Mark Slagell <ms@...>
Has anyone ever proposed making Hash#+ a nondestructive equivalent of
YANAGAWA Kazuhisa wrote:
[#59808] ANN: FreeRIDE 0.5.0 Release Candidate 1 — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...>
[drum roll...]
FreeRIDE Developers -
So where's the debian package? :) In fact, I don't even see the rubyfx
[#59834] ruby-dev summary 19069-19150 — TAKAHASHI Masayoshi <maki@...>
Hello all,
[#59854] ANN: ruby 1.6.8 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)
Hello everyone,
[#59873] Re: ruby 1.6.8 — "Ted" <ted@...>
> Yessss my precious 1.8 it callssss to ussss. : )
[#59887] freeide 0.5.0rc1 errors — "Kurt V. Hindenburg" <khindenburg@...>
Linux version with ruby 1.6.8 and latest versions of the other stuff....
[#59893] mod_ruby: What is the lifetime of my objects ? — "Vandemoortele Simon" <delirious_nospamplz@...>
[#59902] Tc/GTC/Fox - so many? — "Roman Rytov" <rrytov@...>
I have no expirience with Perl or Tcl so variety of UI libs a bit
[#59913] Struct Question — Jonas Hoffmann <ruby@...>
Hello,
[#59935] change in lookup of constants on 1.6.8? — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...>
I have a piece of code that does something like the following:
[#59954] 1210 / 100 = 12? what? — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>
can someone explain this to me:
Hello Tom,
no i didn't realize that. i thought ruby would automatically change it to a
Hi Tom,
On Thursday 26 December 2002 11:42 pm, Brian Wisti wrote:
On Fri, Dec 27, 2002 at 04:10:59PM +0900, Tom Sawyer wrote:
Philipp Meier <meier@meisterbohne.de> writes:
On 2002.12.28, Lloyd Zusman <ljz@asfast.com> wrote:
Dossy <dossy@panoptic.com> writes:
[#59964] long strings — Matthew Huggett <mhuggett@...>
Hi:
[#59974] viral arguments — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>
thanks for all the response on the float problem. alot of people jumped on
[#59980] speed — ts <decoux@...>
[#60006] Ruby & Preprinted forms - will they work together? — colotechpro@... (John Reed)
I'm a Ruby newbie, but I've decided to write a commercial application
On Fri, 2002-12-27 at 17:32, Shashank Date wrote:
Dave Thomas wrote:
On Fri, 2002-12-27 at 19:52, Wai-Sun Chia wrote:
Dave Thomas (dave@pragprog.com) wrote:
[#60009] ruby-talk reaches message 60000 — dblack@...
Hi --
[#60016] Installing Fox, FXRuby and fxscintilla — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>
I want to try out FreeRide, but just installing its dependencies has been
Daniel Carrera wrote:
Lyle Johnson (lyle@users.sourceforge.net) wrote:
On Saturday 28 December 2002 11:52 am, Lyle Johnson wrote:
[#60027] Re: 1210 / 100 = 12? what? — "Pe, Botp" <botp@...>
[#60044] WARN: mswin32 build binary file read change of behavior — "Milan Maksimovic" <maksa@...>
Hello,
[#60050] RAA suggestions — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>
1. Reserve "what's new" for genuinely new packages. Introduce a
Gavin Sinclair wrote:
[#60059] string.c (str_alloc) ruby 1.8 + ruby-gtk crash — "Ariff Abdullah" <skywizard@...>
str = ARGV[0] || ""
[#60061] Radical 0.6 — Idan Sofer <idan@...>
Radical 0.6 was released, including improvments in many fields including
[#60073] How to specify the period "." character when doing a gsub. — Kurt Euler <keuler@...>
All-
[#60075] Test::Unit 0.1.6 — <nathaniel@...>
If you don't know what Test::Unit is, I've included an explanation
On Sun, 29 Dec 2002 nathaniel@NOSPAMtalbott.ws wrote:
John Carter said:
[#60094] Hash question — "Kurt V. Hindenburg" <khindenburg@...>
I'm using FXRuby and YAML, but this question deals with using a hash :
[#60114] Ruby Document Bundle — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>
Just in time to wish you all a happy new year!
[#60119] FreeRIDE 0.5.0 Debian Packages — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...>
[#60146] rbbr 0.2rev1 bombs out! — Wai-Sun Chia <waisun.chia@...>
rbbr is looking for a rbbr/config.rb module which is non-existent..
Hi,
Huh?
Since the mailing list is auto-gatewayed to c.l.r, all our email
On Monday, December 30, 2002, 11:21:08 PM, Wai-Sun wrote:
[#60159] FreeRIDE 0.5.0rc1: patch to allow per-user properties — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...>
On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 09:35:23PM +0900, Mauricio Fern疣dez wrote:
Mauricio Fern疣dez wrote:
[#60179] Debian Packages for FreeRIDE 0.5.0rc1 available:; apt-get install now ;-) — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...>
[#60182] Newbie Question - Problems with Ruby on My Mac — john_carnell@... (John Carnell)
Hi guys,
[#60188] Range#size — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...>
I think I missed something - why is Range#size (and all its synonyms)
Hi,
From: Gennady F. Bystritsky <gfb@tonesoft.com>
On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, 6:07:06 PM, Gennady wrote:
Hi,
Hi !
Hi,
Am Dienstag, 31. Dezember 2002 13:59 schrieb Yukihiro Matsumoto:
Hi,
Am Dienstag, 31. Dezember 2002 14:22 schrieb Yukihiro Matsumoto:
>>>>> "J" == Jonas Hoffmann <ruby@joelh.de> writes:
[#60206] Developing a website — "Shashank Date" <sdate@...>
I am planning to use Ruby to develop a website which will be hosted on
I have no reason to believe that you need anything special to make your
[#60211] Re: Fox, FXRuby, fxscintilla and FreeRide - again — Lyle Johnson <lyle@...>
Daniel Carrera wrote:
[#60217] ENV.clear — zhoujing@... (TOTO)
I tried
[#60221] win32_popen 0.1 — "Park Heesob" <phasis@...>
Hi, all.
Park,
Sorry for the late reply. I am catching up on missed emails.
[#60227] How to do bitwise ops on a byte? — Bernard Miller <forbytext@...>
Hello,
[#60258] — David Landrith <dlandrith@...>
I'm having two problems extending the array class.
Re: Ruby ++, the one element and generators
WARNING: rather long.
On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 06:22:27AM +0900, Chris wrote:
> The problem is simple:
>
> Q: Why isn't "x++" just syntax sugar for "x += 1"?
>
> A: Because in C, for example, "x++" doesn't mean "x += 1"!
>
> int x, y, z;
>
> x = 5;
> y = x++; // y == 5
> x = 5;
> z = x += 1; // z == 6
>
> It would confuse and upset C programmers, so best not to put it in.
>
>
> Remember, the following code could only be intended to mean two things:
>
> x = 5
> x++
>
> Either you want "++" to be a method, so you really meant so call the "++"
> method of the object 5; or you want "++" to be syntax sugar, which we have
> already seen is a bad idea (confusing and counter-intuitive).
I believe there's yet another (insane) answer:
trying to apply ++ on inmediate objects yields an error, for the
associated Variable object is nil.
I think this leads to hell, but it's seductive enough to toy with it };^>
WARNING: here follows a rather long Gedankenexperiment, and the
reasoning path is shown almost complete (although I had to edit it a
couple times, in an iterative approach).
If we went along the line of "everything is an object", _variables_
themselves could be objects. In an expression matching
RE1 = /[_a-z][_a-zAZ1-9]*#{op}/ (where
op is some kind of operator such as '++'), the operator would
correspond to the call of a method of the variable object. The list of
such methods (seen as operators from the point of view of the value being
referenced to, but as methods from that of the variable in use) would be
hard-coded into the interpreter.
This is admitedly confusing, so perhaps the following will render it
clearer:
a = 1 # _two_ objects involved here: inmediate '1'
# and a Variable whose value can be represented as :a (it's
# related to symbols in a way, but a Variable object has also
# some information on the scope of the var (not only the name)
p a == 1 # instance method '==' called on inmediate value object '1'
a++ # instance method '++' applied to an anonymous object of class
# Variable, holding a reference to the inmediate value object
# of class Fixnum '1'
I will call such 'instance method of objects of class Variable'
vmethods (stands for variable methods).
When finding some expression matching RE1, the interpreter would have to
decide whether to call a regular method on the object being referred to
by the variable or the vmethod of the latter. A number of operator
look-alike tokens could be chosen to always mean 'this is a vmethod'.
An obvious candidate would be '++'.
Such vmethods could be defined internally, (that is implemented in C in
Ruby's AST tree walker), but another possibility would be giving a
more complete reflection of the code:
class Variable # all vars will derive from this one
def ++(*args)
old = @referee
@referee = @referee.next # (or += 1 or something)
old
end
# @referee is a magical attribute defined by Ruby
# this is the new 'reflective' thing needed for this code to be
# possible (besides the new vmethod semantics)
end
Notice that, given some kind of Number class with Number#puts
the following would happen
a = Number.new(1)
(a++).puts # writes '1'
this seems to be what we want for the postfix '++'.
Then we might want to overload the '++' vmethod (no longer an operator
if you consider from the Variable point of view), and a natural
extension in Ruby would be
a = getSomeIterator()
class <<< a
# we want to add overload instance methods of the singleton class of
# the Variable object!!!
# that is, create a singleton vmethod
def ++(*args)
# this is meant to be an iterator
@referee.pointToNextElement
end
end
So far so good, we have
* a clean separation between regular instance methods and vmethods
(normally distinction on a lexical level)
* a way to overload these vmethods per variable (singleton vmethods)
I can already hear you cry about prefix (no-longer-)operators,
and we're all wondering the possible use of *args...
The answer is of course... redefining the '++' vmethod of the variable
referring to the top-level object!!!
self # -> top-level object, variable of type Object
class Variable
def pre++
@referee = @referee.next # or += 1, default implementation
end
end
class <<< self
def ++(arg) # arg is the ref to the rhs Variable object
arg.send :pre++
end
end
a = 1 # a refers to object '1'
++a # now points to object '2'
puts(++a) # puts '3'
Why did I write the ()'s? Well, we need some way to have Ruby know that
it is to do
puts(++a)
and not
(puts++) a
for the second one would try to call the '++' vmethod of nil (cause no
variable named 'puts' exists). We could say that the '++' "in the
middle" always binds to the right variable, but I'll later give one
reason why we could possibly not want this rule :)
So, looking for another solution, the following comes to mind:
I think matz's last thought on style (and we all trust him on this :) is
that parenthesis are a good thing (I think Ruby was beginning to warn
about parenthesis being needed in future versions in some contexts) in
many occasions, and this one seems at first sight one of them.
But then we realize that this is in fact the very same problem we have
with methods vs local variables, and the trick there was to draw the
difference during parsing. Quoting from the Pickaxe
\begin{quote}
When Ruby sees a name such as ``a'' in an expression, it needs to
determine if it is a local variable reference or a call to a method with
no parameters. To decide which is the case, Ruby uses a heuristic. As
Ruby reads a source file, it keeps track of symbols that have been
assigned to. It assumes that these symbols are variables. When it
subsequently comes across a symbol that might be either a variable or a
method call, it checks to see if it has seen a prior assignment to that
symbol. If so, it treats the symbol as a variable; otherwise it treats
it as a method call. As a somewhat pathological case of this, consider
the following code fragment, submitted by Clemens Hintze.
def a
print "Function 'a' called\n"
99
end
for i in 1..2
if i == 2
print "a=", a, "\n"
else
a = 1
print "a=", a, "\n"
end
end
Produces:
a=1
Function 'a' called
a=99
\end{quote}
This is the very same kind of problem we're facing here!!!
In 'puts ++ a' we don't know what to bind '++' to. A heuristic as the
former would mean that 'puts ++ a' means
* puts(++a) if there's been no assignment of the form 'puts=...' before
* puts++(a) if there has been one. Then fail horribly (or not, more on
that later...) because functions (or rather methods) are not first
class values in Ruby (so we cannot meaningfully 'increment one')
Yet another easier way (which enforces a particular spacing) is having
to attach '++' to the variable it's applied to:
puts++a # illegal, syntax error
puts ++ a # illegal, what is is attached to?
puts++ a # do (puts++)(a)
The later sentence would normally fail because we cannot 'increment' a
method. But what if [methods were first class values in Ruby]
class <<< Kernel.puts
def '++'
# do some magic with @referee
end
end
Unless Ruby becomes another FP, the latter is useless (or rather
impossible to use).
But there's even another new possibility if we have Variable objects:
implementing the '()' "around-fix" vmethod:
class Function
def initialize(val)
@val = val
end
end
b = Function.new(0)
class <<< b
def (*args) # maybe we need something to name this 'operator()'
# do something, such as...
ret = @val + @args.size
puts "#{@val} + number of args => #{ret}"
ret
end
end
b("one", "two", "three") # => 3
We then need the quite complex heuristic introduced before, instead of
taking "'puts++a' means puts(++a) always" because we might want to be
able to omit the parentheses, mirroring what is happening now in Ruby
(continues the last example)
class <<< b
def ++
@val += 1
end
end
a = 1
b ++ a # => 1
b a # => 2
++b a # => 3
b a # => 3
There's only one problem left: what happens in
class A
a = 1
++a # calling the ++ vmethod of the 'Variable' A
end
Ruby will try to run (check the example about redefining '++' for the top-level
object) the '++' vmethod of the 'A' constant. There's two pbs. there:
* the vmethod is called on an object of class Variable which happens to
be referring to a constant. We solve it by changing the name of that
class to a more sensible name: NameBinding or something
* that vmethod is not defined!!! Solved if we define
class Object
def ++(arg) # arg is the ref to the rhs NameBinding object
arg.send :pre++
end
end
this will work as it's the only way that vmethod can be used, for in
every other (postfix) context '++' is taken as the vmethod related to
the pertinent NameBinding.
You might wonder where this 'pre++' came from... it was in fact already
present in the third example, since I cheated and modified it while
writing these lines :) It is a vmethod used to do the prefix ++ thing.
Finally, there's the issue of other "NameBindings" such as
* attributes
* locals inside blocks
The latter are handler exactly the same way, for the former the parser
must be wise enough to see that @a++ means (@a)++ and not @(a++).
One last concern: what is the meaning of
a = 1
(a++)++ # a++++ ?
Surprisingly enough, the proposed implementation of NameBinding#++
does the right thing!
(a++)++ # => 1 a == 3
We just have to remember that _when given a receiver_, the #++ vmethod
is always called on the related variable, not on the "value". This
relates the #++ distinction issue to the way access restrictions are done
(ie no receiver allowed => use self).
BTW, this will fail:
1++++ # '++' called on NameBinding nil
and it's what we had always wanted, for changing such an inmutable
object is meaningless.
This thought experiment shows what would happen if things where
evaluated in two different contexts: "value" and "name binding"
(== variable, but not always). So you can relate it to Perl's contexts,
and dislike it for that reason.
You might also find it to be some kind of "call by name"-like semantics
extended the whole language, and detest it for that reason.
Maybe you can associate it with the complexity of Common Lisp's macros,
and detest it for that reason.
Or you could think that this is nothing but C++ in disguise, with
references la Java working like pointers, and operator(), and abhor
it for that reason.
If you actually like it (or thinking about it), you're really into
_nasty_ things. I am too :)
My head hurts slightly now. :-P
I'd anyway appreciate comments on why this is foolish.
Were it not, and had nobody else thought of it before (which I doubt),
I'd retain all the credit for myself }};-)
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