[#316551] "ensure" hiding actual error — Nit Khair <sentinel.2001@...>

In my main program I have a "begin ensure end".

19 messages 2008/10/01
[#316566] Re: "ensure" hiding actual error — "Robert Klemme" <shortcutter@...> 2008/10/01

2008/10/1 Nit Khair <sentinel.2001@gmx.com>:

[#316570] Re: "ensure" hiding actual error — Nit Khair <sentinel.2001@...> 2008/10/01

Robert Klemme wrote:

[#316579] Re: "ensure" hiding actual error — "Robert Klemme" <shortcutter@...> 2008/10/01

2008/10/1 Nit Khair <sentinel.2001@gmx.com>:

[#316583] Re: "ensure" hiding actual error — Nit Khair <sentinel.2001@...> 2008/10/01

Robert Klemme wrote:

[#316585] Re: "ensure" hiding actual error — "Thomas B." <tpreal@...> 2008/10/01

Nit Khair wrote:

[#316589] Re: "ensure" hiding actual error — "Robert Klemme" <shortcutter@...> 2008/10/01

2008/10/1 Thomas B. <tpreal@gmail.com>:

[#316617] Ordered hash hack for < ruby 1.9? — Ben Johnson <bjohnson@...>

I am having an issue testing my code because hashes don't have a

22 messages 2008/10/01
[#316620] Re: Ordered hash hack for < ruby 1.9? — "Patrick Doyle" <wpdster@...> 2008/10/01

Why not iterate over myhash.keys.sort instead of just myhash.keys?

[#316704] Problem extending (adding methods) to class — Nit Khair <sentinel.2001@...>

I am trying to extend a class developed by someone else (its from the

24 messages 2008/10/02
[#316707] Re: Problem extending (adding methods) to class — Nit Khair <sentinel.2001@...> 2008/10/02

Nit Khair wrote:

[#316723] Is Assignment in a Conditional an Idiom? — worthee@...

Hi

19 messages 2008/10/02

[#316839] class << self — "Patrick Doyle" <wpdster@...>

Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I was just looking at some Ruby code and

14 messages 2008/10/03

[#316847] Making/Compiling Gems on Windows with MinGW — Cayce Balara <house@...>

Whenever I try to install a gem that doesn't have a precompiled binary

11 messages 2008/10/03

[#316907] stream closed (IOError) — "Eric Will" <rakaur@...>

This code:

17 messages 2008/10/05
[#316910] Re: stream closed (IOError) — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/10/05

Hi,

[#316920] Re: stream closed (IOError) — "Eric Will" <rakaur@...> 2008/10/05

Line 231 is the @socket.close line. Nothing gets done to the socket

[#316925] Re: stream closed (IOError) — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2008/10/05

Hi,

[#316926] Re: stream closed (IOError) — "Eric Will" <rakaur@...> 2008/10/05

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:

[#316927] Re: stream closed (IOError) — Iki Baz Castillo <ibc@...> 2008/10/05

El Domingo, 5 de Octubre de 2008, Eric Will escribi

[#316968] Ruby lacks atfork : The evil that lives in fork... — John Carter <john.carter@...>

Consider this simple usage of Thread and Process....

12 messages 2008/10/06

[#316978] Concurent (using threads) slower than sequential -doubt — Carlos Ortega <caof2005@...>

Hi Folks.

10 messages 2008/10/06

[#316988] Problem with comparing huge amount of strings — Jan Fischer <janfischer@...>

Hello together,

11 messages 2008/10/06

[#317122] Demand that Obama release his college records! Where is the media? — Micky <guuwwe@...>

Why is it important to see Obama's college records? Because the media

11 messages 2008/10/07

[#317126] Ruby with Oracle forward slash error — Sam Sang <younoeme@...>

Hi,

12 messages 2008/10/07

[#317127] Looking for more Ruby-like way to create an array — Steve Nicholson <ssteve@...>

I'm creating an array that is the result of the members of another array

11 messages 2008/10/07

[#317326] Thread: super should be first line or last line? — "christoforever@..." <christoforever@...>

While playing around with ruby threads I noticed that if you dont call

11 messages 2008/10/10

[#317337] Modular Arithmetic (#179) — Matthew Moss <matt@...>

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

15 messages 2008/10/10

[#317395] Automatic ClassLoader (to eliminate 'require') — Alexey Petrushin <axyd80@...>

Hello!

17 messages 2008/10/11
[#317397] Re: Automatic ClassLoader (to eliminate 'require') — Erik Veenstra <erikveen@...> 2008/10/11

module AutoRequire

[#317402] Re: Automatic ClassLoader (to eliminate 'require') — Alexey Petrushin <axyd80@...> 2008/10/11

Thanks! It works! :)

[#317403] Re: Automatic ClassLoader (to eliminate 'require') — "Thomas B." <tpreal@...> 2008/10/11

Alexey Petrushin wrote:

[#317422] Sample for Metaprogramming — relzne@...

Hi.

13 messages 2008/10/11

[#317452] Updating Ruby 1.8.6 to 1.8.6-p287 in Debian 4 — The Neurochild <neurochild@...>

Hi

21 messages 2008/10/12

[#317502] Sorting help — Binh Ly <binh@...>

Hello All,

19 messages 2008/10/12

[#317601] Using DBI and MySQL gems — Owein Herrmann <oherrmann@...>

Quick question:

14 messages 2008/10/13

[#317758] Big endian convention in Ruby — Zangief Ief <z4n9ief@...>

Hello,

18 messages 2008/10/16
[#317767] Re: Big endian convention in Ruby — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2008/10/16

On 16.10.2008 10:26, Zangief Ief wrote:

[#317772] Re: Big endian convention in Ruby — Zangief Ief <z4n9ief@...> 2008/10/16

Thanks you for you answer.

[#317800] Re: Big endian convention in Ruby — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2008/10/16

Zangief Ief wrote:

[#317820] Re: Big endian convention in Ruby — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2008/10/16

On 16.10.2008 15:25, Brian Candler wrote:

[#317936] Re: Big endian convention in Ruby — Zangief Ief <z4n9ief@...> 2008/10/17

Thank you all for your help.

[#317759] How to go from a ruby script to a working website? — Ralph Wood <esmero@...>

As you've probably guessed by the title, total newbie here.

12 messages 2008/10/16

[#317769] A Ruby block question — David Trasbo <davidtrasbo@...>

I am in need of making a method that accepts a block. It basicly needs

23 messages 2008/10/16
[#317770] Re: A Ruby block question — Stefano Crocco <stefano.crocco@...> 2008/10/16

Alle Thursday 16 October 2008, David Trasbo ha scritto:

[#317773] Re: A Ruby block question — David Trasbo <davidtrasbo@...> 2008/10/16

Stefano Crocco wrote:

[#317779] Re: A Ruby block question — Stefano Crocco <stefano.crocco@...> 2008/10/16

Alle Thursday 16 October 2008, David Trasbo ha scritto:

[#317780] Re: A Ruby block question — David Trasbo <davidtrasbo@...> 2008/10/16

Stefano Crocco wrote:

[#317776] I found way to protect Source Code! :) — Alexey Petrushin <axyd80@...>

Hello!

34 messages 2008/10/16
[#317859] Re: I found way to protect Source Code! :) — Ade Inovica <adrian.teasdale@...> 2008/10/16

Interesting solution. May I also suggest that you try

[#317869] Re: I found way to protect Source Code! :) — Mike Gold <mike.gold.4433@...> 2008/10/16

Ade Inovica wrote:

[#317886] Re: I found way to protect Source Code! :) — Sasha Bee <rubyman77@...> 2008/10/17

Mike Gold wrote:

[#317956] Re: I found way to protect Source Code! :) — "ara.t.howard" <ara.t.howard@...> 2008/10/17

[#317878] instance counter — Pierre Lebrun <anthonylebrun@...>

Please forgive the trite nature of this question, I'm new to ruby and OO

21 messages 2008/10/17
[#317880] Re: instance counter — Tommy Nordgren <tommy.nordgren@...> 2008/10/17

[#317883] Re: instance counter — Mike Gold <mike.gold.4433@...> 2008/10/17

Tommy Nordgren wrote:

[#317903] Re: instance counter — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2008/10/17

On 17.10.2008 07:19, Mike Gold wrote:

[#317938] Error Exception if script doesn't run — jackster the jackle <johnsheahan@...>

I need to know if my script fails to run for any reason and capture the

20 messages 2008/10/17
[#317941] Re: Error Exception if script doesn't run — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2008/10/17

jackster the jackle wrote:

[#317967] Re: Error Exception if script doesn't run — jackster the jackle <johnsheahan@...> 2008/10/17

I notice that any shell commands that I have in the script that fail do

[#317972] Re: Error Exception if script doesn't run — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2008/10/17

jackster the jackle wrote:

[#317974] Re: Error Exception if script doesn't run — jackster the jackle <johnsheahan@...> 2008/10/17

It seems to work but not for this command, perhaps since scp gets

[#317979] Re: Error Exception if script doesn't run — Tim Hunter <TimHunter@...> 2008/10/18

jackster the jackle wrote:

[#317992] Re: Error Exception if script doesn't run — jackster the jackle <johnsheahan@...> 2008/10/18

Tim Hunter wrote:

[#317966] Counting — Tom Clarke <thomas.clarke08@...>

How would i go about making Ruby count to say 1000 usin only multiples

18 messages 2008/10/17

[#318286] Trollop 1.10 released — William Morgan <wmorgan-ruby-talk@...>

Trollop version 1.10 has been released!

12 messages 2008/10/22

[#318309] Is there a method_eval or similar thing ? — Nit Khair <sentinel.2001@...>

I have a method called askyesno which takes a string and returns whether

13 messages 2008/10/22

[#318323] What exactly does "rubyish" or "ruby way" mean? — Nit Khair <sentinel.2001@...>

Over the last month I have been reading a lot of blogs, searching, going

12 messages 2008/10/22

[#318509] How to tell if two paths point to the same file? — Kenneth McDonald <kenneth.m.mcdonald@...>

I've tried using File.expand_path to normalize path names, but this

12 messages 2008/10/24

[#318523] RubyMacros 0.1.0 Released — "Caleb Clausen" <vikkous@...>

RubyMacros is a lisp-like macro pre-processor for Ruby. More than just a

15 messages 2008/10/24

[#318552] Join all text files in a folder, with a single line of Ruby code — luisbebop <luisbebop@...>

I did a single line of code in Ruby, which joins all text files in a

26 messages 2008/10/25
[#318556] Re: Join all text files in a folder, with a single line of Ruby code — "William James" <w_a_x_man@...> 2008/10/25

luisbebop wrote:

[#318574] Re: Join all text files in a folder, with a single line of Ruby code — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2008/10/25

William James wrote:

[#318607] Re: Join all text files in a folder, with a single line of Ruby code — Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@...> 2008/10/26

Hi,

[#318622] Re: Join all text files in a folder, with a single line of Ruby code — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2008/10/26

Nobuyoshi Nakada wrote:

[#318640] Re: Join all text files in a folder, with a single line of Ruby code — luisbebop <luisbebop@...> 2008/10/27

> ruby -pe'1' *

[#318641] Re: Join all text files in a folder, with a single line of Ruby code — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2008/10/27

luisbebop wrote:

[#318601] Hash.merge_add! extension - how does this code look? — "Greg Hauptmann" <greg.hauptmann.ruby@...>

Hi,

18 messages 2008/10/26
[#318632] Re: Hash.merge_add! extension - how does this code look? — Stefan Rusterholz <apeiros@...> 2008/10/26

Greg Hauptmann wrote:

[#318644] Re: Hash.merge_add! extension - how does this code look? — "Greg Hauptmann" <greg.hauptmann.ruby@...> 2008/10/27

thanks for highlighting this! Is the quickest way to normalise to Array via

[#318655] Re: Hash.merge_add! extension - how does this code look? — Stefan Rusterholz <apeiros@...> 2008/10/27

Greg Hauptmann wrote:

[#318656] Re: Hash.merge_add! extension - how does this code look? — "Greg Hauptmann" <greg.hauptmann.ruby@...> 2008/10/27

I just noticed the code suggested might have a problem when the

[#318700] float equality — "guille lists" <guilledist@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2008/10/27

[#318721] automatic code conversion from Ruby to C ? — "Axel Etzold" <AEtzold@...>

Dear all,

16 messages 2008/10/27

[#318888] project manager panel in SciTE — Li Chen <chen_li3@...>

Hi all,

14 messages 2008/10/29

[#318896] RubyGems 1.3.1 — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net>

= Announce: RubyGems Release 1.3.1

13 messages 2008/10/29

[#318970] Roguelike project? — Tim Mcd <tmcdowell@...>

Anyone interested in a Roguelike game written in Ruby/Ncurses project?

41 messages 2008/10/30
[#318976] Re: Roguelike project? — Matthew Moss <matt@...> 2008/10/30

> Anyone interested in a Roguelike game written in Ruby/Ncurses project?

[#319050] Re: Roguelike project? — "Michael Fellinger" <m.fellinger@...> 2008/10/31

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:42 AM, Matthew Moss <matt@moss.name> wrote:

[#319052] Re: Roguelike project? — Nit Khair <sentinel.2001@...> 2008/10/31

Michael Fellinger wrote:

[#319056] Re: Roguelike project? — "Michael Fellinger" <m.fellinger@...> 2008/10/31

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 1:46 AM, Nit Khair <sentinel.2001@gmx.com> wrote:

[#319287] Re: Roguelike project? — Nit Khair <sentinel.2001@...> 2008/11/03

Michael Fellinger wrote:

[#319393] Re: Roguelike project? — Nit Khair <sentinel.2001@...> 2008/11/04

Nit Khair wrote:

[#319422] Re: Roguelike project? — Nit Khair <sentinel.2001@...> 2008/11/04

Nit Khair wrote:

[#319021] XML builder performance — Xin Zheng <crazygecko@...>

Hi all,

13 messages 2008/10/31

[#319055] How to access to local variables in enclosing scopes? — Yuh-Ruey Chen <maian330@...>

I'm familiar with other popular scripting languages (JS and Python),

34 messages 2008/10/31

[#319094] FFI 0.1.1 (Foreign Function Interface) for Ruby 1.8.6/7 and 1.9 — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...>

The JRuby team is proud to announce the release of FFI for Ruby 1.8.6/7

62 messages 2008/10/31
[#319390] Re: [ANN] FFI 0.1.1 (Foreign Function Interface) for Ruby 1.8.6/7 and 1.9 — Ken Bloom <kbloom@...> 2008/11/04

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:16:39 -0500, Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:

[#319391] Re: [ANN] FFI 0.1.1 (Foreign Function Interface) for Ruby 1.8.6/7 and 1.9 — "Sean O'Halpin" <sean.ohalpin@...> 2008/11/04

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Ken Bloom <kbloom@gmail.com> wrote:

[#319395] Re: FFI 0.1.1 (Foreign Function Interface) for Ruby 1.8.6/7 and 1.9 — Nit Khair <sentinel.2001@...> 2008/11/04

Sean O'halpin wrote:

[#319428] Re: FFI 0.1.1 (Foreign Function Interface) for Ruby 1.8.6/7 and 1.9 — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2008/11/04

Nit Khair wrote:

[#319467] Re: FFI 0.1.1 (Foreign Function Interface) for Ruby 1.8.6/7 and 1.9 — "Sean O'Halpin" <sean.ohalpin@...> 2008/11/05

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Charles Oliver Nutter

[#319468] Re: FFI 0.1.1 (Foreign Function Interface) for Ruby 1.8.6/7 and 1.9 — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2008/11/05

Sean O'Halpin wrote:

[#319535] Re: FFI 0.1.1 (Foreign Function Interface) for Ruby 1.8.6/7 and 1.9 — "Sean O'Halpin" <sean.ohalpin@...> 2008/11/05

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:34 AM, Charles Oliver Nutter

[#319538] Re: FFI 0.1.1 (Foreign Function Interface) for Ruby 1.8.6/7 and 1.9 — Nit Khair <sentinel.2001@...> 2008/11/05

Sean O'halpin wrote:

[#319099] Re: [ANN] FFI 0.1.1 (Foreign Function Interface) for Ruby 1.8.6/7 and 1.9 — Thomas Hurst <tom.hurst@...> 2008/11/01

* Charles Oliver Nutter (charles.nutter@sun.com) wrote:

[#319101] Re: [ANN] FFI 0.1.1 (Foreign Function Interface) for Ruby 1.8.6/7 and 1.9 — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2008/11/01

Thomas Hurst wrote:

[#319113] Re: [ANN] FFI 0.1.1 (Foreign Function Interface) for Ruby 1.8.6/7 and 1.9 — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2008/11/01

Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:

[#319238] Re: [ANN] FFI 0.1.1 (Foreign Function Interface) for Ruby 1.8.6/7 and 1.9 — Sylvain Joyeux <sylvain.joyeux@...> 2008/11/03

On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 08:16:39AM +0900, Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:

[#319240] Re: [ANN] FFI 0.1.1 (Foreign Function Interface) for Ruby 1.8.6/7 and 1.9 — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2008/11/03

Sylvain Joyeux wrote:

Re: How to make Ruby _THE_ scripting language of choice, fold inSQLite

From: David Masover <ninja@...>
Date: 2008-10-01 06:00:53 UTC
List: ruby-talk #316548
On Sunday 28 September 2008 17:30:02 John Carter wrote:

> Big Money brooks no dead ends. SQL is a huge, very useful, successful
> money spinner. Hence it will be and _is_ being extended both on the
> client _and_ server side to do what scripting languages like Ruby does.
> 
> No sane language designer would choose such a path, the SQL extended
> languages I have seen are as ugly as sin... but as I say, nothing
> stops the money.

In other words: Much like COBOL.

COBOL is, in fact, very successful. There's a huge amount of old COBOL code 
lying around, and there's quite a lot of high-paying jobs for maintaining it. 
Because of the sheer size of these codebases, it's been extended to do all 
kinds of things.

But it's still COBOL, and still ugly as sin.


> So tell me, assuming you, like millions of developers worldwide, have
> to use some form of SQL database.

To continue the analogy, suppose I had to code in COBOL.

What are the reasons I would have to use COBOL?
Most likely, it's because I'm supporting a legacy app.

When was the last time you had to maintain a legacy Ruby app?
Generally, if I'm being paid to write Ruby, it's because I'm developing a 
relatively new app, and with a corporation that has the presence of mind to 
choose the best tool for the job -- not the most popular tool for the job.

So, if I'm being paid to write a brand-new Ruby app, don't you think there'd 
be discussion of whether or not to use a SQL database? Of whether a 
document-based database might be a better choice?

In my discussion with Clifford Heath on this thread, I learned that there are 
applications which are suitable to a traditional transactional database 
(probably SQL), and not to a document-based database. I would guess that such 
applications are still the vast minority.


> Is the integration between Ruby and SQL as slick as you could imagine?

Define "slick".


> The current adapters are damn Good, but not as slick as I could imagine.
> 
> Neither in terms of syntax, Object / Relational integration, exception
> handling nor performance.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.


> So let's talk a bit about what SQL gives, that I'd like to see cleanly
> and comfortably and slickly integrated in ruby...
> 
>   * Relational Data model. Yup. I'm aware of the perfectly valid
>     criticisms that SQL doesn't go anywhere near close enough to Codd's
>     Laws... but it's one of the closest practical things that does. And
>     yes, I'd love it if Ruby had a true relational algebra embedded  within 
it.

Google isn't giving me a lot of help here. What's this about, exactly? What 
would it look like in Ruby?


>     So ORM / Db
>     adapters try mash these notions together, but the semantics aren't
>     quite the same.

Which differences in semantics are bothering you?


>     I bet we could use Ruby Mixins to designate and extend certain
>     classes as tables.

Or maybe inheritance.

I know! We can make all classes that want to be tables inherit from a common 
base class! I think I'll call it ActiveRecord::Base.


>     I bet we could find a really Good Ruby way of defining the Data
>     Model that would be better than "create table". Indeed some of the
>     ORM libraries mention are excellent examples of this.

In other words, an ORM library could do this -- nothing needs to be changed in 
Ruby itself.


>   * Data Persistence. Yip, marshal and restore gives us that.

Marshal and restore aren't generally used for persistence. Generally, the ORM 
in question provides its own semantics for that -- certain properties of it 
correspond directly to columns, and telling the object to persist updates the 
row with those values.

But, suppose we're talking about something like CouchDB, or RDDB:

>      - Indexes / updates and deletes?

Done, done, and done. Calling "save" on any model will update the record with 
the values which have changed, or insert a new record if one doesn't exist. 
Calling "destroy" will delete it.

>      - Concurrent access?

This is a more fundamental problem, and it's not unique to Ruby. But there is 
native (and easy) support for optimistic and pessimistic locking.

>      - Even if an application can persist it's object model it's
>        incredibly useful to query, and access that same data model from a
>        query tool, or (perhaps indirectly via view or a projection) by
>        another (loosely related) application.

Or within the same. But yes, that's kind of inherent in the fact that a SQL 
database is used here:


>   * Data Persistence. Yip, marshal and restore gives us that. But is
>     that enough?

Suppose we split it into one record per file. I'm not advocating this -- I 
would much rather 

>      - Indexes / updates and deletes?

Indexes: Yes, maintained separately.

Updates: Unmarshal the record you need, change it, then re-marshal and save.

Deletes: Delete 

>      - Concurrent access?

Can be done on a filesystem. Maildir gives a very simple example of how this 
might be done.

For that matter, concurrent access in most databases cannot be done more 
finely than by table or by row. A system like flock should be more than 
adequate for this purpose.

>      - Even if an application can persist it's object model it's
>        incredibly useful to query, and access that same data model from a
>        query tool, or (perhaps indirectly via view or a projection) by
>        another (loosely related) application.

Define "loosely related" -- why not simply load up the model in question into 
this other application?

>   * Data Model / Database Management. Whoops. Adding / deleting /
>     renaming columns to a data table created via marshal / restore is
>     painful.

Not really. Maybe if you're marshalling/restoring the objects directly...

But consider: Adding a "column" is trivial; you need only provide a default 
value, and adjust the model class to know about this. You don't actually have 
to change any data at all, until people start setting values for 
that "column". Existing document-based databases work exactly this way.

Deleting a "column" could be done the same way -- let the model class know it 
should be deleted.

Renaming would be the most difficult. Here, you'd have to version your data, 
and give the model class a procedure to run when loading records older than a 
certain version.


>   * ACID - Well, actually that would be kind of handy in a number of
>     other areas not traditionally "Database".

Not all apps need or want ACID. In fact, it's much easier to scale most apps 
if you don't make them ACID-compliant.


>   * Query Language - selects, joins, group by's, sorts. Rich and
>     expressive stuff indeed.

And confusing, archaic, and fundamentally different than how we program 
everything else.

For that matter, we do have this, somewhat -- we have Enumerable#select and 
Enumerable#sort.


>   * Client / Server / Concurrency - Actually Ruby is very Good at that
>     already, except there is no support for concurrency at the marshal
>     and restore level.

No, it's done by serializing with something else -- generally, an ORM like 
ActiveRecord. But as I've shown above, you can, in fact, have concurrency 
with marshal and restore.


> Does this involve a multiyear rewrite of the core of Ruby?
> 
> Nah.
> 
> It involves folding in preexisting public domain code. Sqlite.

If it is so trivial, fork Ruby and do it yourself. Show us that it can be 
done, and that it is useful, and that it's worth polluting Ruby's core 
namespace with SQL junk.

And don't be surprised if, when you're done, nobody's interested, or nobody's 
willing to take the risk of breaking old code. After all, Ruby 1.9 barely 
changes syntax at all, and look how long it's taken -- it's more than just a 
technical problem. It's a design problem.


> but folding in the appropriate parts of (select,update,delete,insert) of 
Sqlite's parse.y

Ruby is already a powerful and expressive language for creating new domain 
specific languages. The Sequel library already provides a Ruby DSL for SQL 
queries.

There are many domains which might benefit from customizing Ruby's parser. I 
imagine that Rake wouldn't mind being able to do this:

foo.o: foo.c
	system 'gcc foo.c -o foo.o'

Not the best Make example, but you get the idea. Instead, they've chosen to 
leave it as Ruby, which means it looks like this:

file 'foo.c' => 'foo.o' do
  system 'gcc foo.c -o foo.o'
end

Much cleaner, and actually valid Ruby.



And you still haven't addressed perhaps the most disturbing part of your 
proposal: Even if we agree with you that SQL is so important that it needs to 
be part of the language, you're essentially dictating one true SQL engine and 
flavor of SQL. Why should Ruby embed SQLite, when almost no Ruby programs use 
SQLite in production? What does this mean for users of other databases?

And what does this mean for those who don't want to use SQL at all?
When I call Array#select, will it do what I expect?



Oh, and for what it's worth: There's a language called Judo, which includes 
SQL. I'm curious what you think of it:

http://judoscript.org/

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