ruby-core

On 2/22/06, George Ogata <g_ogata@optushome.com.au> wrote:> dblack@wobblini.net writes:>> I'm still not happy about #funcall. How is one supposed to remember>> which (#send or #funcall) is which? There are a few things in Ruby>> where "you just have to memorize it" -- like the true/false arguments>> to #instance_methods, or the differences between Proc.new and lambda.>> I've always felt that these are soft spots in the language.>> #send/#funcall seems to me to be in the same category.> #funcall breaks the rules. That makes it "fun". ;-)

[#7413] Re: Module#define_method "send hack" fails with Ruby 1.9 — "Justin Bailey" <jgbailey@...> 2006/02/22

Second! I've disliked 'funcall' since I first saw it. And why break send? I

[#7419] ping.rb — "Pat Eyler" <rubypate@...>

ping.rb has bothered me for a while for two reasons. First, it really ought

4 messages 2006/02/24

[#7425] Re: ping.rb — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2006/02/25

Pat Eyler wrote:

[#7420] Re: ping.rb — Daniel Berger <djberg96@...> 2006/02/24

--- Pat Eyler <rubypate@gmail.com> wrote:

[#7421] Re: ping.rb — "Pat Eyler" <rubypate@...> 2006/02/24

On 2/23/06, Daniel Berger <djberg96@yahoo.com> wrote:

[#7422] Syck fails with parse error on parsing multiple documents — noreply@...

Bugs item #3654, was opened at 2006-02-24 15:45

1 message 2006/02/24

[#7423] Rubygems/ri integration — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net>

I just added a patch to Rubygems that allows it to generate ri data

3 messages 2006/02/24

[#7426] Re: [PATCH] Rubygems/ri integration — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...> 2006/02/26

[#7479] Re: [PATCH] Rubygems/ri integration — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2006/03/03

Hi,

[#7424] Passing wrong data type to Win32API#call causes segfault — noreply@...

Bugs item #3658, was opened at 2006-02-24 19:33

1 message 2006/02/25

[#7434] parser bug, function call without parens across multiple lines — David Smiley <dsmiley@...>

I have encountered a counter-intuitive bug in Ruby's parser. The

5 messages 2006/02/27

[#7436] Re: parser bug, function call without parens across multiple lines — Mauricio Fernandez <mfp@...> 2006/02/27

On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 02:05:17AM +0900, David Smiley wrote:

[#7441] Re: parser bug, function call without parens across multiple lines — David Smiley <dsmiley@...> 2006/02/27

First of all, I'd like to apologize because my bug report was

[#7435] Re: parser bug, function call without parens across multiple lines — ts <decoux@...> 2006/02/27

>>>>> "D" == David Smiley <dsmiley@mitre.org> writes:

[#7437] Re: parser bug, function call without parens across multiple lines — Stefan Lang <langstefan@...> 2006/02/27

On Monday 27 February 2006 18:05, David Smiley wrote:

[#7438] Re: parser bug, function call without parens across multiple lines — "Yemi D. Bedu" <yemi@...>

Hello,

1 message 2006/02/27

[#7439] FYI: ruby-lang.org is on spamcop blacklists — mathew <meta@...>

dnsbl/bl.spamcop.net returned deny: for

3 messages 2006/02/27

[#7440] Re: FYI: ruby-lang.org is on spamcop blacklists — "Justin Bailey" <jgbailey@...> 2006/02/27

This is fairly serious as it breaks Google Groups/Ruby Talk list

[#7464] Re: FYI: ruby-lang.org is on spamcop blacklists — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2006/03/01

On 2/27/06, Justin Bailey <jgbailey@gmail.com> wrote:> This is fairly serious as it breaks Google Groups/Ruby Talk list> integration, right?

[#7442] GC Question — zdennis <zdennis@...>

I have been posting to the ruby-talk mailing list about ruby memory and GC, and I think it's ready

17 messages 2006/02/27

[#7446] Re: GC Question — "H.Yamamoto" <ocean@...2.ccsnet.ne.jp> 2006/02/28

Hello.

[#7449] Re: GC Question — "H.Yamamoto" <ocean@...2.ccsnet.ne.jp> 2006/02/28

Hello.

[#7450] Re: GC Question — "H.Yamamoto" <ocean@...2.ccsnet.ne.jp> 2006/02/28

Sorry, I lied...

[#7451] Re: GC Question — ts <decoux@...> 2006/02/28

>>>>> "H" == H Yamamoto <ocean@m2.ccsnet.ne.jp> writes:

[#7452] Re: GC Question — "H.Yamamoto" <ocean@...2.ccsnet.ne.jp> 2006/02/28

[#7453] Re: GC Question — ts <decoux@...> 2006/02/28

>>>>> "H" == H Yamamoto <ocean@m2.ccsnet.ne.jp> writes:

[#7454] Re: GC Question — "H.Yamamoto" <ocean@...2.ccsnet.ne.jp> 2006/02/28

[#7455] Re: GC Question — ts <decoux@...> 2006/02/28

>>>>> "H" == H Yamamoto <ocean@m2.ccsnet.ne.jp> writes:

[#7462] Re: GC Question — zdennis <zdennis@...> 2006/02/28

H.Yamamoto wrote:

[#7456] Re: GC Question — zdennis <zdennis@...> 2006/02/28

Attempting to apply patch to array.c from 1.8.4 I get:

[#7458] Re: GC Question — ts <decoux@...> 2006/02/28

>>>>> "z" == zdennis <zdennis@mktec.com> writes:

[#7459] Re: GC Question — zdennis <zdennis@...> 2006/02/28

ts wrote:

[#7461] Re: GC Question — ts <decoux@...> 2006/02/28

>>>>> "z" == zdennis <zdennis@mktec.com> writes:

[#7463] Re: GC Question — zdennis <zdennis@...> 2006/03/01

ts wrote:

[#7467] Re: GC Question — ts <decoux@...> 2006/03/01

>>>>> "z" == zdennis <zdennis@mktec.com> writes:

[#7457] Re: GC Question — "H.Yamamoto" <ocean@...2.ccsnet.ne.jp> 2006/02/28

Hello.

[#7460] rails segfaults at 2nd load with eval.c: No such file or directory. — noreply@...

Bugs item #3683, was opened at 2006-02-28 10:33

1 message 2006/02/28

Re: Question about massive API changes

From: "Sean E. Russell" <ser@...>

Date: 2006-02-01 03:06:58 UTC

List: ruby-core #7269

On Tuesday 31 January 2006 14:44, mathew wrote:
> > What do you mean by an API facade?
>
> Something that accepts calls via the old API, and translates them into
> appropriate calls into the new API.

I thought that's what you meant.  Unfortunately, that's not the API I'm 
talking about.

In REXML, currently, you can do this:

	el.attributes['someatt'] = "foo"
	el.attributes['someatt'] << "bar"
	el.attributes['someatt'] == "foobar"    # true

I can do this, because the attributes are being stored as Attribute objects, 
even though you get back String objects from attributes[].  To get the space 
saving, I'm only generating Attribute objects when the user makes an API call 
that returns an Attribute object; otherwise, I store the original String 
objects, which are less than 1/3 the size of an Attribute object.  Depending 
on the XML document, this can save a significant amount of memory.  The same 
trick will be applied to Text nodes, for even more savings.  On my average 
document survey, for example, I get about a 50% space improvement.

See:

http://www.germane-software.com/repos/rexml/branches/memory_attributes/benchmarks/memoryuse/stats.svg

for a *very* rough benchmark.  (trunk) is the current REXML memory use, (gns) 
is the optimized use, with just Attributes using optimized.

This isn't something I can put a fa軋de on -- at least, not without wrecking 
the memory gain.  As soon as I create a non-primitive object out of it, I 
lose the gain.

> Having seen the response to suggestions of incorporating versioning and
> RubyGems into Ruby, I think I could hazard a guess...

I didn't see anybody objecting to the versioning aspect of RubyGems; just the 
package management aspect of it.  In fact, I clearly remember some vocal 
insistence that the best thing would be to separate versioning from package 
management, where it doesn't belong... but that discussion is pass藪

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